Natalee Case Discussion #698 11/30/2007

[ldstlou]

Posted by SMS at RU:

From cnn reporter:

Han Mos says it's a setback and a bit of a surprise that the judge decided to set them free.

Not enough to hold them for pre trial


Reading from the release of judges ruling:

New evidence together with existing evidence in this case file does produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting of covering up the traces of a crime committed or the disposing of a corpse. However it goes on to say that even the combination of either of those is not enough to keep these two suspects in pretrial detention any longer.


So Han MOs saying again it's a setback but he does have three days to lodge an appeal with the court of appeals here.
 
But that wont be enough to stand in the way of the release of these two suspects, the Kalpoe brothers tomorrow at 4pm.

Joran will be there until at least Dec. 7th

Reporters were told that the new evidence was the same for all three suspects. (my question - told by whom, the defense attorneys or the prosecutor?)

If we have "aiding and abetting in the cover up of a crime and hiding of a body" then that means we have a crime and the hiding of a body...am I correct? So it says to me they have joran for a crime and hiding of a body!!! Lets hope!!!

[klaasend]

Spock - please read back a couple of pages

[ldstlou]

Ia m absolutely torn down the middle...part of me think this is just Bullcrap...well planned and executed....the have still wants to believe...so I am just gonna go get drunk!!

Poor me a couple!

di ....I have frozen margaritas.....a whole pitcher full!

Sunny...any wine? lol

Not a shot in hell darling!  LOL   just got the house painted ya know

thanks for making me laugh!! I needed that!!!

[Scandi]

On GretaBlog

FRIDAY UPDATE, 5:35pm - just spoke to John Q. Kelly….he is in Aruba with Natalee’s parents…it sounds like their meeting with the Chief Prosecutor will go forward…

Thank God!

Yes! I think it's extremely important this meeting takes place for many reasons..It should be interesting what Mos tells them about the fine police work of Van Der Straaten and Jacobs and the rest of them that killed this case.

Since when do Murder and Kidnapping suspects get immunity from having there houses searched? Confessions that were retracted and blood that turned into chocolate? BS!!

Jossy will be my 1st guest tonight, actually of of my guests will discuss the story.
I wont be catering to Joe Tacopina like other shows do.

Hi Dana and nice to meet you.  We'll be riveted to your show tonight. 

It is already 8pm in Aruba, so I doubt the presser with Mos will take place tonight.  I was hoping it would take place before Greta starts her show so I wouldn't have to mess with the volume to blank out Joe T.

I can just see your monkey dipping his beautiful tongue in a glass of frothy eggnog for Christmas

[Dana]

Jossy will be my 1st guest tonight, actually of of my guests will discuss the story.
I wont be catering to Joe Tacopina like other shows do.

Should be a big audience tonight Dana  ..No one is buying all the horrendous mistakes made early in this Investigation!! If they can't ever answer key questions about this then they better fix it before this goes to trial.

I am declaring my show a Tacopina free zone, however I may have a comment or two about him. 

[Nut44x4]

Earlier this week someone posted that Julie RenHO said the Kalpoes would be released Friday.  How did she know that?  This explains Joe T. going down next week----HE knows baby Huey is GOING DOWN.  He cannot lay this on the Kalpoes cause Mos knows and Joe knows he knows.  How interesting.

She did post that at RU...I forget what day. She was not just posting it as her opinion either. At least that's my opinion, lol.

[Dihannah1]

Ia m absolutely torn down the middle...part of me think this is just Bullcrap...well planned and executed....the have still wants to believe...so I am just gonna go get drunk!!

Poor me a couple!

di ....I have frozen margaritas.....a whole pitcher full!

Sunny...any wine? lol

Sunny, sounds good to me.  Better get another pitcher started! 

[ldstlou]

Jossy will be my 1st guest tonight, actually of of my guests will discuss the story.
I wont be catering to Joe Tacopina like other shows do.

Should be a big audience tonight Dana  ..No one is buying all the horrendous mistakes made early in this Investigation!! If they can't ever answer key questions about this then they better fix it before this goes to trial.

I am declaring my show a Tacopina free zone, however I may have a comment or two about him. 

going to try and download the video player thingy for your show so I can finally listen...see how highly technically advanced I am..lol...the video player thingamajig.

[Elaine]

Posted by SMS at RU:

From cnn reporter:

Han Mos says it's a setback and a bit of a surprise that the judge decided to set them free.

Not enough to hold them for pre trial


Reading from the release of judges ruling:

New evidence together with existing evidence in this case file does produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting of covering up the traces of a crime committed or the disposing of a corpse. However it goes on to say that even the combination of either of those is not enough to keep these two suspects in pretrial detention any longer.


So Han MOs saying again it's a setback but he does have three days to lodge an appeal with the court of appeals here.
 
But that wont be enough to stand in the way of the release of these two suspects, the Kalpoe brothers tomorrow at 4pm.

Joran will be there until at least Dec. 7th

Reporters were told that the new evidence was the same for all three suspects. (my question - told by whom, the defense attorneys or the prosecutor?)

Hello! I still think that Hans Mos may take them to a trial, they were released from detention in the jail..but remain suspects. Sounds to me like Hans Mos and the dutch know exactly what happened in this case, they just have to prove it. I am very glad that Joran remains behind bars. I have to keep faith that a trial is upcoming. Anything less, would really make them look like fools for drawing attention to this case again after two years.

[Dihannah1]

I need to get off for a few.  Have some things to do.  But will be back to catch up and watch Greta tonight!

Stay positive Monkeys!  The main suspect is still in jail!  Let's pray the k2's will be heading to protective services for spilling the beans! 

Keep the faith, it ain't over yet!

[KarmaRoundUp]

Voluntary, Not Involuntary

Right.  Thanks for correction.  I actually knew that.

And since Mos had provided details and explanations of the charges "against the suspects"  THEN he should have been just as clear in stating that these charges applied to sloot only.

Isn't this the first time anyone here or elsewhere is hearing the Kalpoe's were being held for "disposing of body" and "destroying evidence?"

So Kalpoes are held on crime of destroying evidence -- but have to be released because there isn't enough evidence to hold them longer? 

That's Aruban justice for you.

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well said Hammer, it's not as if Mos didn't have ample opportunity to state it all correctly in his interviews.

I'm so relieved to know JKelly is there also, thank you Dihannah, I hope he lets his knuckles show a bit for I'm unsure if anything less than that gets an ounce of truth out of Aruba.

Once again people:

Mos did not lie to us. He TRIED to hold the Kalpoes to the same crime as Joran -- "Voluntary Manslaughter." The Kalpoes were not released for "lack of evidence." They were released because their involvement was not "Voluntary Manslaughter." The Kalpoes are not "off-the-hook"!!
This is probably why the Kalpoes were not released "immediately." They are still facing a trial. No one is "cleared" of wrongdoing.

I agree,I still have hope.I read somewhere that on aruba the prosecutor goes for the highest crime they can when they arrest suspects.Like if they would have arrested the Kalpoes for say rape then find out that they actually murdered,they couldn't up the charges to murder...something like that.
I am disappointed they were released but I still have hope(I have to)that this is part of Mos's strategy.Keep the faith Monkeys.

[Spock]

Spock - please read back a couple of pages

Thanks Klaas, our posts hit about the same time. I understand the information comes from the Judges ruling. My question becomes how can disposal of a body not be a crime worthy of pretrial detention?

Also, if the Kalpoes involved themselves in disposal of a body, they had to of had a motive apart from helping their friend get off the hook.

[ldstlou]

Jossy will be my 1st guest tonight, actually of of my guests will discuss the story.
I wont be catering to Joe Tacopina like other shows do.

Should be a big audience tonight Dana  ..No one is buying all the horrendous mistakes made early in this Investigation!! If they can't ever answer key questions about this then they better fix it before this goes to trial.

I am declaring my show a Tacopina free zone, however I may have a comment or two about him. 

going to try and download the video player thingy for your show so I can finally listen...see how highly technically advanced I am..lol...the video player thingamajig.

ok...where did it go?

[klaasend]

Need to switch over to a new cable modem I just got.  Have to log off, be back in a bit (hopefully  )

[truthseeker2]

   

[Observer]

If anyone is having problems listening to Dana's Show just buzz me in the musings thread and I will help you!

[Spock]

Jossy will be my 1st guest tonight, actually of of my guests will discuss the story.
I wont be catering to Joe Tacopina like other shows do.

Should be a big audience tonight Dana  ..No one is buying all the horrendous mistakes made early in this Investigation!! If they can't ever answer key questions about this then they better fix it before this goes to trial.

I am declaring my show a Tacopina free zone, however I may have a comment or two about him. 

going to try and download the video player thingy for your show so I can finally listen...see how highly technically advanced I am..lol...the video player thingamajig.

ok...where did it go?

Maybe Taco will call in  

[dennisintn]

I am declaring my show a Tacopina free zone, however I may have a comment or two about him. 
[/quote]


dana, that's the best damn news i've heard today.
dennisintn

[wreck]

Spock - please read back a couple of pages

Thanks Klaas, our posts hit about the same time. I understand the information comes from the Judges ruling. My question becomes how can disposal of a body not be a crime worthy of pretrial detention?

Also, if the Kalpoes involved themselves in disposal of a body, they had to of had a motive apart from helping their friend get off the hook.

Spock,
I mentioned it several pages back --
I don't think the Dutch system allows people out "on bail." The kalpoes are essentially "out on bail awaiting trial." You can only be held in Detention for the most serious of charges.

.... that said, I DO think personally that "disposal of a body" is pretty damned serious and it SHOULD be a detainable offense pre-trial.

[Nut44x4]

Spock - please read back a couple of pages

Thanks Klaas, our posts hit about the same time. I understand the information comes from the Judges ruling. My question becomes how can disposal of a body not be a crime worthy of pretrial detention?

Also, if the Kalpoes involved themselves in disposal of a body, they had to of had a motive apart from helping their friend get off the hook.

We don't understand their system 

I will be tuning into Dana tonight. I will NOT be watching Greta. My bet says she will have Renfro and Joe T. blabbing crap. I can't go there tonight. It is too painful. They make me sick. You know Julia is just jumping up and down with joy right now...probably out slurping down a few with all her wasted friends.