Natalee Case Discussion #698 11/30/2007

[Tamikosmom]

Judge who released Kalpoes today.



The judge in the case of the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, whose identity was not released by the government, leaves the San Nicolaas police station in Aruba, Friday, Nov. 30, 2007. The two brothers re-arrested last week as suspects, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, will be released after the judge did not find 'serious grounds' for suspicion of their involvement in a crime, according to a statement from the prosecutor's office Friday. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071130/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen;_ylt=Av9lm4Civ4tXydAjWilQ9zRvaA8F

Thank you Pita.

Does anybody know the name of the judge?

Janet

[Dayhiker]

Hey Hiker!! As usual, I agree with you...

Hi Miss Mish! As they say in England, "Back at you."

[Observer]

Video
http://tinyurl.com/2287fj
Brothers to be freed in Natalee Holloway case

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- Two of the suspects being held in connection with Natalee Holloway's presumed death will be released from custody by Saturday.

Prosecutors wanted Deepak and Satish Kalpoe held in Aruba for another eight days, but a judge rejected their request Friday.

The decision was "a bit of a setback," said Hans Mos, Aruba's chief public prosecutor. But it does not change his plan to decide by the end of the year whether to prosecute anyone in the Holloway case.

"We had hoped for a longer period to confront these suspects with the material we have against them, but this is the way the law says it must go," Mos said.

Holloway's parents are expected to meet with Mos on Saturday. The prosecutor said he will explain to them what happened, "if I can explain it. I hope I can."

Deepak Kalpoe's defense attorney, meanwhile, said his client is "really happy to recover his freedom after 10 days in jail."

Prosecutors have three days to appeal the decision and will decide Monday whether or not to do so.

A third man, Joran van der Sloot, is still being held in the case. Van der Sloot is set to appear before a judge December 7, and prosecutors have said they are considering requesting that he be detained another 60 days.

The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.

The judge reasoned Friday that "the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse," prosecutors said.

But people accused of those crimes do not qualify for pretrial detention under Aruban law, Mos told reporters. He noted that on Monday, the same judge approved van der Sloot's continuing detention based on the same evidence.

"Apparently, the judge sees a difference between the third suspect and these two suspects," Mos said, since the judge concluded the evidence against the Kalpoes was not strong enough to warrant their continued detention.

When the arrests took place November 21, prosecutors said they had new incriminating evidence against the three men.

They were the last people seen with Holloway, 18, as she left an Oranjestad nightclub on May 30, 2005. She was on a trip to Aruba with about 100 classmates celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama.

Holloway has been missing since. Van der Sloot and the Kalpoes have maintained their innocence in her disappearance.

The Kalpoes have told police they dropped Holloway and van der Sloot off near a lighthouse on the northern tip of the island after they left the nightclub. Van der Sloot's mother, Anita, has said her son told her he was on the beach with Holloway but left her there because she wanted to stay.

Mos has told CNN he believes authorities have enough evidence to prove Holloway is dead, even if her body is never found. He has suggested her death was an accident.

The new evidence against the three men was gathered from advanced techniques used to re-examine existing information, including cell phone records and text messages exchanged the night Holloway disappeared, Mos has said.

Investigators also returned to the homes of the suspects to try to re-create transmissions. The team also discovered that some existing evidence was improperly analyzed.

Defense attorneys for the Kalpoes and van der Sloot have said the prosecutors' evidence is flimsy. "To say it's less than nothing is too much," van der Sloot's lawyer, Ariean de Bie, told CNN.

In Aruba, authorities can make an arrest if they have reasonable suspicion that someone knows about or is involved in a crime. Magistrates investigate cases, and judges determine a suspect's guilt or innocence. There are no jury trials.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html

[ldstlou]

Judge who released Kalpoes today.



The judge in the case of the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, whose identity was not released by the government, leaves the San Nicolaas police station in Aruba, Friday, Nov. 30, 2007. The two brothers re-arrested last week as suspects, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, will be released after the judge did not find 'serious grounds' for suspicion of their involvement in a crime, according to a statement from the prosecutor's office Friday. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071130/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen;_ylt=Av9lm4Civ4tXydAjWilQ9zRvaA8F

Thank you Pita.

Does anybody know the name of the judge?

Janet

That is NOT what the office stated!! They said serious suspicion of hiding a crime and natalee's body!!!

[Tylergal]

I wonder if Clyde Beatty is reading his Bible tonight, playing cards, smoking dope or having a fun time with Bubba, his bunk bud.

[AZSunny]

Fox changed its web site. No longer claiming that Greta spoke with the judge. 

This whole thing sounds like a fire drill in the cuckoo's nest. Fox is SO eager to get everybody out of jail.

I completely disagree with this statement.

[Dayhiker]

Judge who released Kalpoes today.

Is it just me or does this guy look like he belongs in Baggage Claims?

[Tylergal]

Crap, I meant Clyde Barrow (duh, Warren Beatty was Clyde Barrow, right?)

[kathyn2]

Come on!  Thats ridiculous.  Mos hoped to have more time to confront them??????   Well he has not talked to them in a whole week since they've been there.  I heard no one has talked to them since last Friday.   Why didn't they make good use of the time they did have for goodness sakes!  What a bunch of baloney.  I don't know why some of you guys have such faith in this Mos person???

[ldstlou]

The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.

The judge reasoned Friday that "the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse," prosecutors said. Sounds like the judge is saying there WAS a crime

But people accused of those crimes do not qualify for pretrial detention under Aruban law, Mos told reporters. He noted that on Monday, the same judge approved van der Sloot's continuing detention based on the same evidence. I think this is a good sign!! More evidence against joran?
"Apparently, the judge sees a difference between the third suspect and these two suspects," Mos said, since the judge concluded the evidence against the Kalpoes was not strong enough to warrant their continued detention. I think the judge is saying there is a crime of voluntary manslaughter against Natalee...joran committed it, k2 helped cover it up. I think this is the same conclusion alot of us had too.

[klaasend]

Come on!  Thats ridiculous.  Mos hoped to have more time to confront them??????   Well he has not talked to them in a whole week since they've been there.  I heard no one has talked to them since last Friday.   Why didn't they make good use of the time they did have for goodness sakes!  What a bunch of baloney.  I don't know why some of you guys have such faith in this Mos person???

Why do you continue to believe everything the defense attorneys say?

[Pita]

Judge who released Kalpoes today.



The judge in the case of the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, whose identity was not released by the government, leaves the San Nicolaas police station in Aruba, Friday, Nov. 30, 2007. The two brothers re-arrested last week as suspects, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, will be released after the judge did not find 'serious grounds' for suspicion of their involvement in a crime, according to a statement from the prosecutor's office Friday. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071130/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen;_ylt=Av9lm4Civ4tXydAjWilQ9zRvaA8F

Thank you Pita.

Does anybody know the name of the judge?

Janet

Maybe Dana can ask Jossy tonight on his show??

[Maria]

I am declaring my show a Tacopina free zone, however I may have a comment or two about him. 

dana, that's the best damn news i've heard today.
dennisintn
[/quote]

Me too.  I can't stand watching the idiot(Taco).  I actually get sick. 

[Dayhiker]

The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.

The judge reasoned Friday that "the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse," prosecutors said. Sounds like the judge is saying there WAS a crime

But people accused of those crimes do not qualify for pretrial detention under Aruban law, Mos told reporters. He noted that on Monday, the same judge approved van der Sloot's continuing detention based on the same evidence. I think this is a good sign!! More evidence against joran?
"Apparently, the judge sees a difference between the third suspect and these two suspects," Mos said, since the judge concluded the evidence against the Kalpoes was not strong enough to warrant their continued detention. I think the judge is saying there is a crime of voluntary manslaughter against Natalee...joran committed it, k2 helped cover it up. I think this is the same conclusion alot of us had too.

We'll see what happens on December 7. Joran's Christmas vacation is on the line. They may have a silly law for that like the Santa Claus Rule.

[Tylergal]

I was watching a talk show one night about 2 months ago and authorities including CIA/FBI agent and a couple pathologists, etc., were discussing murder and the resolution rate in the USA.  They said it was about 50% whereas before the 1960s it was about 90%.  Why do you think that is?  We, the people, want to know more than we are entitled to know but we scream freedom of press, and by doing so, police and prosecutors often have to give us so much detail that it gives the perps information they are able to use in eluding conviction.  So maybe we are demanding too much here while Mos is trying to keep some information close to the vest.  I think we will know more by JQKs expression if we are fortunate to have him on TV this weekend.  Maybe that is who is going to be on KGs' program Saturday night, our big surprise, or is it Beth or Dave in an exclusive?

[Observer]

Video
http://tinyurl.com/2287fj

Hans Mos Press conference if you missed the link above.

[Anna]

Hiker,
I don't think Sinter Klaus will be coming to see Joran.

[Katysmom]

Judge who released Kalpoes today.



The judge in the case of the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, whose identity was not released by the government, leaves the San Nicolaas police station in Aruba, Friday, Nov. 30, 2007. The two brothers re-arrested last week as suspects, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, will be released after the judge did not find 'serious grounds' for suspicion of their involvement in a crime, according to a statement from the prosecutor's office Friday. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071130/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen;_ylt=Av9lm4Civ4tXydAjWilQ9zRvaA8F

Thank you Pita.

Does anybody know the name of the judge?

Janet

If this picture is of the judge walking out of the police station, why does it say "drinks" on the door?

[ldstlou]

The Kalpoe brothers were previously jailed in the case, but were rearrested last week and charged with being involved in the "voluntary manslaughter" of Holloway.

The judge reasoned Friday that "the new evidence, together with the existing evidence in this case, produce serious grounds for the suspicion of some kind of aiding and abetting, of covering up the traces of a crime committed or of the disposing of a corpse," prosecutors said. Sounds like the judge is saying there WAS a crime

But people accused of those crimes do not qualify for pretrial detention under Aruban law, Mos told reporters. He noted that on Monday, the same judge approved van der Sloot's continuing detention based on the same evidence. I think this is a good sign!! More evidence against joran?
"Apparently, the judge sees a difference between the third suspect and these two suspects," Mos said, since the judge concluded the evidence against the Kalpoes was not strong enough to warrant their continued detention. I think the judge is saying there is a crime of voluntary manslaughter against Natalee...joran committed it, k2 helped cover it up. I think this is the same conclusion alot of us had too.

We'll see what happens on December 7. Joran's Christmas vacation is on the line. They may have a silly law for that like the Santa Claus Rule.

I wish I could laugh at that but it may just be true!!

[Dayhiker]

Hiker,
I don't think Sinter Klaus will be coming to see Joran.

  If he did he'd probably tell him to read his Bible instead of using it for a doorstop.