Natalee Case Discussion #698 11/30/2007

[ldstlou]

Judge who released Kalpoes today.



The judge in the case of the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, whose identity was not released by the government, leaves the San Nicolaas police station in Aruba, Friday, Nov. 30, 2007. The two brothers re-arrested last week as suspects, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, will be released after the judge did not find 'serious grounds' for suspicion of their involvement in a crime, according to a statement from the prosecutor's office Friday. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071130/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen;_ylt=Av9lm4Civ4tXydAjWilQ9zRvaA8F

Thank you Pita.

Does anybody know the name of the judge?

Janet

If this picture is of the judge walking out of the police station, why does it say "drinks" on the door?

Holy crap Katy, good eye!!! I missed that!!

Look closer.  It's a soda machine.

I am even more impressed!! Better eye Muffy!!!

[GabbyG]

Judge who released Kalpoes today.



The judge in the case of the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, whose identity was not released by the government, leaves the San Nicolaas police station in Aruba, Friday, Nov. 30, 2007. The two brothers re-arrested last week as suspects, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, will be released after the judge did not find 'serious grounds' for suspicion of their involvement in a crime, according to a statement from the prosecutor's office Friday. (AP Photo/Pedro Famous Diaz)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071130/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_missing_teen;_ylt=Av9lm4Civ4tXydAjWilQ9zRvaA8F

Thank you Pita.

Does anybody know the name of the judge?

Janet

If this picture is of the judge walking out of the police station, why does it say "drinks" on the door?

Holy crap Katy, good eye!!! I missed that!!

The judge looks like a Greyhound bus driver 

HAHA...I was thinking to myself, who does he remind me of???   Thats IT!!  LOLOL

But, even as I sit here and laugh I feel bad about doing it because what if THIS judge is finally an honest judge? What if he is going to do his best to see that this case/trial are done right?  We don't know yet, and his expression is pretty serious in that picture. Wow, mine would be too I think. His reputation is on the line as well as Mos's and Aruba's.
After I thought about that I was still grinning but the snickering stopped    LOL

[ldstlou]

Birmingham ABC33/40 report....
Figaroa (Kalpoe Attoney)  said that the Kalpoes are still suspects
but the judge thought that the Kalpoes being free would not hinder the investigation.
They showed Beth with JQK.  (He looked great in jeans and windblown hair.)
They said that Dave has landed in Aruba and they will meet with Mos
tomorrow.

Thanks Magnolia!

Maybe the kalpoe's do not want to leave jail.  The judge said he did not think it would hinder the investigation--I would think the Kalpoes would feel they are being thrown to the dogs.  They thought it was bad in jail, just wait until Papa Sloot, Joe T and others get ahold of them.

 

(you forgot Anita and Mama...)

good point!! And all the locals who are tired of the media there again...and the loss of their tourists and tips!!

[Tamikosmom]

Come on!  Thats ridiculous.  Mos hoped to have more time to confront them??????   Well he has not talked to them in a whole week since they've been there.  I heard no one has talked to them since last Friday.   Why didn't they make good use of the time they did have for goodness sakes!  What a bunch of baloney.  I don't know why some of you guys have such faith in this Mos person???

Why do you continue to believe everything the defense attorneys say?

Klaas ... Deepak and Satish's defence attorneys claimed that there was not sufficient evidence to hold them on the suspicion of voluntary manslaughter ... the defence attorney announced to the world prior to the judge's ruling today that Deepak and Satish were going to be released.  They were right.

For the past week Hans Mos has been claiming just the opposite ... he was wrong.

As in the past ... it seems that the defence attorney and the judge are on the same page as far as what constitutes whether evidence is strong or insuffient under Dutch law.

As in the past ... Natalee Holloways parents again are forced to ride the emotional roller coaster from H---.

Klaas ... you and I have the same objective ... Justice for Natalee.  However ... we definitely have a different perspective regarding the recent happenings in Aruba but ... please do not hold that against me.  In my quest ... I have to say it how I see it.

If I am wrong and ... it is revealed that Aruba is genuinely pursuing justice for Natalee ... I will concede ... happily concede.

Janet

[WhiskeyGirl]

I wonder if this applies to Aruba?

http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/papersandarticles/ccj-code%20of%20conduct.pdf

I wonder what organization holds judges accountable for their behavior?

Who's watching the chamber?

Does a watched chamber ever boil?

[ldstlou]

Come on!  Thats ridiculous.  Mos hoped to have more time to confront them??????   Well he has not talked to them in a whole week since they've been there.  I heard no one has talked to them since last Friday.   Why didn't they make good use of the time they did have for goodness sakes!  What a bunch of baloney.  I don't know why some of you guys have such faith in this Mos person???

Why do you continue to believe everything the defense attorneys say?

Klaas ... Deepak and Satish's defence attorneys claimed that there was not sufficient evidence to hold them on the suspicion of voluntary manslaughter ... the defence attorney announced to the world prior to the judge's ruling today that Deepak and Satish were going to be released.  They were right.

For the past week Hans Mos has been claiming just the opposite ... he was wrong.

As in the past ... it seems that the defence attorney and the judge are on the same page as far as what constitutes whether evidence is strong or insuffient under Dutch law.

As in the past ... Natalee Holloways parents again are forced to ride the emotional roller coaster from H---.

Klaas ... you and I have the same objective ... Justice for Natalee.  However ... we definitely have a different perspective regarding the recent happenings in Aruba but ... please do not hold that against me.  In my quest ... I have to say it how I see it.

If I am wrong and ... it is revealed that Aruba is genuinely pursuing justice for Natalee ... I will concede ... happily concede.

Janet

Tam, I don't think anyone can hold your doubts against you or anyone else here after the ups and downs we have experienced from the emotional roller coaster Aruba has had us on for so long. Even Beth is very cautious with good news it seems. I am trying to remain positive, Robots helps!! lol And I am praying constantly!! We need a miracle here!! It is the season of miracles!!! Keep the faith!!!

[AnnieMW1]

Ia m absolutely torn down the middle...part of me think this is just Bullcrap...well planned and executed....the have still wants to believe...so I am just gonna go get drunk!!

ME TOO!

[greeneyedlady]

idfwiw...gwen used to be gagal05, but was banned at RU then came back as gwen. You are right tho not as many are paying attention to Glenda/Julia as they use to...

[robots]

Come on!  Thats ridiculous.  Mos hoped to have more time to confront them??????   Well he has not talked to them in a whole week since they've been there.  I heard no one has talked to them since last Friday.   Why didn't they make good use of the time they did have for goodness sakes!  What a bunch of baloney.  I don't know why some of you guys have such faith in this Mos person???

Why do you continue to believe everything the defense attorneys say?

Klaas ... Deepak and Satish's defence attorneys claimed that there was not sufficient evidence to hold them on the suspicion of voluntary manslaughter ... the defence attorney announced to the world prior to the judge's ruling today that Deepak and Satish were going to be released.  They were right.

For the past week Hans Mos has been claiming just the opposite ... he was wrong.

As in the past ... it seems that the defence attorney and the judge are on the same page as far as what constitutes whether evidence is strong or insuffient under Dutch law.

As in the past ... Natalee Holloways parents again are forced to ride the emotional roller coaster from H---.

Klaas ... you and I have the same objective ... Justice for Natalee.  However ... we definitely have a different perspective regarding the recent happenings in Aruba but ... please do not hold that against me.  In my quest ... I have to say it how I see it.

If I am wrong and ... it is revealed that Aruba is genuinely pursuing justice for Natalee ... I will concede ... happily concede.

Janet

Tam, I don't think anyone can hold your doubts against you or anyone else here after the ups and downs we have experienced from the emotional roller coaster Aruba has had us on for so long. Even Beth is very cautious with good news it seems. I am trying to remain positive, Robots helps!! lol And I am praying constantly!! We need a miracle here!! It is the season of miracles!!! Keep the faith!!!

my guess is that they have tapes of K2 moving or getting rid of a body
and for some crazy reason that is not enough to hold them, because the tapes probably
show that that is exactly what they did. the tapes show that JORAN was with her when she was killed and the K2 were helping their buddy after the fact

but wasnt Mos trying to get them for murder or well it seems for mansalughter
i will still call it murder. but he cant hold them for murder or manslaughter but he can try them for the hiding of a body

[Tamikosmom]

Come on!  Thats ridiculous.  Mos hoped to have more time to confront them??????   Well he has not talked to them in a whole week since they've been there.  I heard no one has talked to them since last Friday.   Why didn't they make good use of the time they did have for goodness sakes!  What a bunch of baloney.  I don't know why some of you guys have such faith in this Mos person???

Why do you continue to believe everything the defense attorneys say?

Klaas ... Deepak and Satish's defence attorneys claimed that there was not sufficient evidence to hold them on the suspicion of voluntary manslaughter ... the defence attorney announced to the world prior to the judge's ruling today that Deepak and Satish were going to be released.  They were right.

For the past week Hans Mos has been claiming just the opposite ... he was wrong.

As in the past ... it seems that the defence attorney and the judge are on the same page as far as what constitutes whether evidence is strong or insuffient under Dutch law.

As in the past ... Natalee Holloways parents again are forced to ride the emotional roller coaster from H---.

Klaas ... you and I have the same objective ... Justice for Natalee.  However ... we definitely have a different perspective regarding the recent happenings in Aruba but ... please do not hold that against me.  In my quest ... I have to say it how I see it.

If I am wrong and ... it is revealed that Aruba is genuinely pursuing justice for Natalee ... I will concede ... happily concede.

Janet

Tam, I don't think anyone can hold your doubts against you or anyone else here after the ups and downs we have experienced from the emotional roller coaster Aruba has had us on for so long. Even Beth is very cautious with good news it seems. I am trying to remain positive, Robots helps!! lol And I am praying constantly!! We need a miracle here!! It is the season of miracles!!! Keep the faith!!!

Thank you Idstlou.

[ldstlou]

idfwiw...gwen used to be gagal05, but was banned at RU then came back as gwen. You are right tho not as many are paying attention to Glenda/Julia as they use to...

I thought gwen/gagal_05/glenda were all one and the same?!

[ldstlou]

Come on!  Thats ridiculous.  Mos hoped to have more time to confront them??????   Well he has not talked to them in a whole week since they've been there.  I heard no one has talked to them since last Friday.   Why didn't they make good use of the time they did have for goodness sakes!  What a bunch of baloney.  I don't know why some of you guys have such faith in this Mos person???

Why do you continue to believe everything the defense attorneys say?

Klaas ... Deepak and Satish's defence attorneys claimed that there was not sufficient evidence to hold them on the suspicion of voluntary manslaughter ... the defence attorney announced to the world prior to the judge's ruling today that Deepak and Satish were going to be released.  They were right.

For the past week Hans Mos has been claiming just the opposite ... he was wrong.

As in the past ... it seems that the defence attorney and the judge are on the same page as far as what constitutes whether evidence is strong or insuffient under Dutch law.

As in the past ... Natalee Holloways parents again are forced to ride the emotional roller coaster from H---.

Klaas ... you and I have the same objective ... Justice for Natalee.  However ... we definitely have a different perspective regarding the recent happenings in Aruba but ... please do not hold that against me.  In my quest ... I have to say it how I see it.

If I am wrong and ... it is revealed that Aruba is genuinely pursuing justice for Natalee ... I will concede ... happily concede.

Janet

Tam, I don't think anyone can hold your doubts against you or anyone else here after the ups and downs we have experienced from the emotional roller coaster Aruba has had us on for so long. Even Beth is very cautious with good news it seems. I am trying to remain positive, Robots helps!! lol And I am praying constantly!! We need a miracle here!! It is the season of miracles!!! Keep the faith!!!

Thank you Idstlou.

 

[Canary]

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/11/30/aruba.holloway/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

Moss press conference

[kathyn2]

I am sorry to say I have to agree with Janet.  I hope I am wrong but so far everything the defense attorneys have come out and said have been true.  And I bet dollars to donuts Joran goes free next.   I HOPE IT ISN'T TRUE.  But so far, from day one, Aruban authorities have done this.   The prosecutors office just seems to stink over there.  I hope I am proved wrong.  I really really do.

Come on!  Thats ridiculous.  Mos hoped to have more time to confront them??????   Well he has not talked to them in a whole week since they've been there.  I heard no one has talked to them since last Friday.   Why didn't they make good use of the time they did have for goodness sakes!  What a bunch of baloney.  I don't know why some of you guys have such faith in this Mos person???

Why do you continue to believe everything the defense attorneys say?

Klaas ... Deepak and Satish's defence attorneys claimed that there was not sufficient evidence to hold them on the suspicion of voluntary manslaughter ... the defence attorney announced to the world prior to the judge's ruling today that Deepak and Satish were going to be released.  They were right.

For the past week Hans Mos has been claiming just the opposite ... he was wrong.

As in the past ... it seems that the defence attorney and the judge are on the same page as far as what constitutes whether evidence is strong or insuffient under Dutch law.

As in the past ... Natalee Holloways parents again are forced to ride the emotional roller coaster from H---.

Klaas ... you and I have the same objective ... Justice for Natalee.  However ... we definitely have a different perspective regarding the recent happenings in Aruba but ... please do not hold that against me.  In my quest ... I have to say it how I see it.

If I am wrong and ... it is revealed that Aruba is genuinely pursuing justice for Natalee ... I will concede ... happily concede.

Janet

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[Nut44x4]

It's a vending machine

Thanks Pita for a photo of JUDGE NO-NAME…someone has to know who he is!

Maybee this is Paul Van Der Sloots buddy Judge Smid?

thinking the same thing...also, will Joran have the same Judge??

[lexie]

Fox update..Interview with Tito and new greaseball attorney representing Tacos  Law firm

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xT1e6ipPFlY

Tito performing his rare blend of Papiajivehonkingenglesio.

LOL  !!  Great description!!

[Anna]

The Defense Attorneys were saying their clients, the Kalpoes would be released as SUSPECTS a week ago, too.

That has far, far from happened.  In fact a judge has said there are SERIOUS suspicions against them but on different charges.

Now I don't recall hearing even one defense attorney saying that is what was going to happen.

.

[Canary]

Moss will decide whether to appeal on Monday

There is not enough per the judge to keep them on the serious charge (vol. mansl.)

There is a lot of evidence for the disposal of the body charge but that charge isn't serious enough to hold them. 

They will stay a part til tomorrow at 4 PM.

[Tylergal]

Will someone sort of transcribe for me since I am having trouble with this new computer getting Dana?