Natalee Case Discussion #699 12/1 - 12/3/2007

[ldstlou]

Thank God the window was still opened.   I have it all saved on my computer, images and all. 

O/T real quick!!! So sorry!!!
Did ya see this girlfriend???!!!
GO BUCKEYES!!!!RANKINGS AP Top 25
Ohio St.
LSU
Oklahoma
Georgia
Virginia Tech
USC
Missouri
Kansas
Florida
Hawaii

Awesome, huh.... 

One team on that list...still undefeated...still overlooked.

Hawaii correct?

[Lala'sMom]

I think it's very interesting that we HAVEN'T heard a word from the family.  Very different approach this time around.

Good point!
I think we would hear about it if they were not 100% convinced it was legitimate this time around.

I would assume that Mos asked them to stay quiet for a few more days...at least until December 31st.

[Tylergal]

I am not sure how many of you have watched this Greta disinfo program this weekend, but note that her main source is the Sporter.  Then she goes to Tito, another 'impeccable' source, according to Greta.  It's no wonder Beth shuns her like the plague until it is advantageous to Beth.  I think JQK is calling the shots for Beth and telling her to dodge Greta.  He knows that Great is closely aligned with the group of attorneys we so hate, i.e., Johnny Cochran, joe tacopino and that slug that defended Scott Peterson.  That seems to be her "group." 

She redeemed herself when first coming to Fox, but she has found another venue to espouse her dislike for justice and the rule of law.  JMHO.

[Lala'sMom]

I am not sure how many of you have watched this Greta disinfo program this weekend, but note that her main source is the Sporter.  Then she goes to Tito, another 'impeccable' source, according to Greta.  It's no wonder Beth shuns her like the plague until it is advantageous to Beth.  I think JQK is calling the shots for Beth and telling her to dodge Greta.  He knows that Great is closely aligned with the group of attorneys we so hate, i.e., Johnny Cochran, joe tacopino and that slug that defended Scott Peterson.  That seems to be her "group." 

She redeemed herself when first coming to Fox, but she has found another venue to espouse her dislike for justice and the rule of law.  JMHO.

Let's not forget her defense attorney mindset...permeates all she does.  Goes back to her roots, both liberal and professional.

[Magnolia]

I think it's very interesting that we HAVEN'T heard a word from the family.  Very different approach this time around.

Good point!
I think we would hear about it if they were not 100% convinced it was legitimate this time around.

I would assume that Mos asked them to stay quiet for a few more days...at least until December 31st.

He did.  It was in one of his statements.  He said something to the effect that he would ask the family not to speak of the meeting.

[Red]

So tell me, does the MO of this case sound familiar?

With all the twists and turns in the bizarre case of missing and murdered Emily Sander/Zoey Zane, one things remains constant … the number one suspect in this case is the individual she left the bar with and was last known seen with. Missing persons cases begin to sound familiar don’t they?

Sad Conclusion to Bizarre Case of Missing Emily Sander/Internet Porn Star Zoey Zane Body Positively ID’d

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/02/sad-conclusion-to-bizarre-case-of-missing-emily-sanderinternet-porn-star-zoey-zane-body-positively-idd/

Now the work that still needs to be done by police and investigators is finding Israel Mireles. Emily Sander was last spotted leaving a bar in El Dorado, KS on Friday night with Israel Mireles. According to her friend, Emily Sander and Israel Mireles, met that night at the bar. Emily Sander had not been seen again until her body was discovered last Thursday. So the main suspect in this case is the individual who Emily was last seen leaving the bar with … MO’s in missing persons/murder cases begin to sound rather similar.

[Nut44x4]

For some reason they removed the detail from this web site

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

Interresting.  Wonder if they were getting threats?

Perhaps they are reviewing any logistic info...to be sure no one knows exactly where they are going? Seems like they are too smart to have hinted at anything like that though...mmm......this is interesting.

[Nut44x4]

mmmmmm....I noticed WangChung is back at it again at RU today. He has been 'missing' for 10 days.....mmmmmm

[WhiskeyGirl]

Blue Moon
I am going to ask you a question now... Why did they arrest those particular 2 security guards?  Of all the people they had to choose from, there were more than just these two that worked as security  in that location...why were these two guys chosen?  Anyone have any idea? 

Someone said they had evidence that they had stolen things from the MB kids? Or traded for drugs?? 

Who from MB filed a police report?  Who took that report?

Anyone from MB step up to the plate to identify the stolen / traded merchandise?

Anyone step up to admit they even tried to lodge a complaint with ALE?

[terryd270]

When will the insanity stop?? I have lost a lot of faith in whats good and whats bad.. The sad things is that I never knew there were so many twisted individuals in the world but seeing the same dirt bags cheering for these killers just is too much to watch or hear on tv.. I come here just to see if by chance that someone has a conscience on that island but so far not a one.. I have a hard time putting too much faith in finding Natalee in the ocean but I do hope I'm wrong.. I just feel that everyone on that island is playing a cruel game and I have a hard time watching or hearing these idiots on tv.. This is the most simple case in the world and this would of been closed the first 24 hours if they wanted it solved.. Well hopefully my feelings are wrong and this time they will give Beth and Dave some answers if not their daughter back.. Have a good day and hopefully Joran and the others are having a rotten day..

td

[Magnolia]

mmmmmm....I noticed WangChung is back at it again at RU today. He has been 'missing' for 10 days.....mmmmmm

Wang Chung should stay missing.  I think that Wang is female...just such a dirty mind that one would assume male.

[klaasend]

So tell me, does the MO of this case sound familiar?

With all the twists and turns in the bizarre case of missing and murdered Emily Sander/Zoey Zane, one things remains constant … the number one suspect in this case is the individual she left the bar with and was last known seen with. Missing persons cases begin to sound familiar don’t they?

Sad Conclusion to Bizarre Case of Missing Emily Sander/Internet Porn Star Zoey Zane Body Positively ID’d

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/02/sad-conclusion-to-bizarre-case-of-missing-emily-sanderinternet-porn-star-zoey-zane-body-positively-idd/

Now the work that still needs to be done by police and investigators is finding Israel Mireles. Emily Sander was last spotted leaving a bar in El Dorado, KS on Friday night with Israel Mireles. According to her friend, Emily Sander and Israel Mireles, met that night at the bar. Emily Sander had not been seen again until her body was discovered last Thursday. So the main suspect in this case is the individual who Emily was last seen leaving the bar with … MO’s in missing persons/murder cases begin to sound rather similar.

Yes Red, the last person seen with them.

[Buckeye]

I think the repeat, of the Peter DeVries investigation, was broadcast last night. He's convinced Joran lies and is involved.  Wish he would head to the island.

[klaasend]

Posted by Glenda at Ru:

You mean the fisherman who didn't report a crab trap stolen although that is the premise for the Million Dollar Search for Natalee. Did I read here that the owner of the boat was quoted saying her remains would still be intact because the water is sooo cold. What is the definition of Cold? Because this water is like a warm bathtub.

Question for Glenda:  When was the last time you dove to 1000 feet? 

[Tylergal]

Posted by Glenda at Ru:

You mean the fisherman who didn't report a crab trap stolen although that is the premise for the Million Dollar Search for Natalee. Did I read here that the owner of the boat was quoted saying her remains would still be intact because the water is sooo cold. What is the definition of Cold? Because this water is like a warm bathtub.

Question for Glenda:  When was the last time you dove to 1000 feet? 

I am going to ask an oceanography friend who taught at the graduate level.  I am sure she is qualified to answer that and if she does not know the answer, some of her contacts will. 

[Magnolia]

Posted by Glenda at Ru:

You mean the fisherman who didn't report a crab trap stolen although that is the premise for the Million Dollar Search for Natalee. Did I read here that the owner of the boat was quoted saying her remains would still be intact because the water is sooo cold. What is the definition of Cold? Because this water is like a warm bathtub.

Question for Glenda:  When was the last time you dove to 1000 feet? 

Don't I remember Dompig saying that a fish trap and a knife were reported stolen.  I wish there was a way to arrest Julia for spreading misinformation
and trying to mislead the investigation and her skanky mother too.

[Dayhiker]

Who from MB filed a police report?  Who took that report?

Anyone from MB step up to the plate to identify the stolen / traded merchandise?

Anyone step up to admit they even tried to lodge a complaint with ALE?

It was reported in the media that the prosecutor and police found nothing during the Cowboy their raid on their homes. You can bet if they had so much as a pack of matches from the holiday Inn they would still be in jail.

They cooked this up, I suppose Paulus, van der Straten and Jacobs came up with it it, maybe Janssen was in on it. It was a diversion to give the perps five more days of cleaning up and making sure the body and evidence were properly disposed of. It worked for the most part, that's why the case has dragged on this long.

[Shell]

Posted by Glenda at Ru:

You mean the fisherman who didn't report a crab trap stolen although that is the premise for the Million Dollar Search for Natalee. Did I read here that the owner of the boat was quoted saying her remains would still be intact because the water is sooo cold. What is the definition of Cold? Because this water is like a warm bathtub.

Question for Glenda:  When was the last time you dove to 1000 feet? 

Good one Klaas!!! IMHO-My hopes are positive that justice will prevail with this new investigative crew.

[Tylergal]

While I am awaiting Ann's response to the temperature of the Caribbean at that level, I found this.

Ocean temperature also varies with depth. In general, the temperature falls as the depth increases. The warm surface waters extend to depths of about 500 feet (150 metres) in the tropics, and about 1,000 feet (300 metres) in the subtropics. Below the surface waters, the temperature drops rapidly, forming a layer called the thermocline. The thermocline varies in thickness, from about 1,000 feet (300 metres) to 3,000 feet (910 metres). Below the thermocline, the water cools more slowly. Close to the deep-sea floor, the temperature of the ocean ranges between 34 and 39 °F (1 and 4 °C) (Eliav, Weiss.)

[Tylergal]

Who from MB filed a police report?  Who took that report?

Anyone from MB step up to the plate to identify the stolen / traded merchandise?

Anyone step up to admit they even tried to lodge a complaint with ALE?

It was reported in the media that the prosecutor and police found nothing during the Cowboy their raid on their homes. You can bet if they had so much as a pack of matches from the holiday Inn they would still be in jail.

They cooked this up, I suppose Paulus, van der Straten and Jacobs came up with it it, maybe Janssen was in on it. It was a diversion to give the perps five more days of cleaning up and making sure the body and evidence were properly disposed of. It worked for the most part, that's why the case has dragged on this long.

Thanks, Dayhiker.  I had probably heard this but had forgotten it.  I appreciate your prompt response so that puts to rest that pack-a-tales.