Natalee Case Discussion #699 12/1 - 12/3/2007

[Dayhiker]

Regarding Joran's lawyer and wild accusations (arms dealing?) - I'm thinking that the extra page in Joran's dossier has some a little nervous.

Just as we witnessed in Paulus lawsuit it only takes one little thing to tip the case. Mos no doubt has more, he's just not going to give those fleabag lawyers a head start.

[Buckeye]

Regarding Joran's lawyer and wild accusations (arms dealing?) - I'm thinking that the extra page in Joran's dossier has some a little nervous.

The team does seem to be chatting up a US conspiracy angle.  I would love to see Greta read the line to Joe and ask him if that is going to be his "client's" defense......especially if he's being "retained".

[WhiskeyGirl]

Regarding Joran's lawyer and wild accusations (arms dealing?) - I'm thinking that the extra page in Joran's dossier has some a little nervous.

The team does seem to be chatting up a US conspiracy angle.  I would love to see Greta read the line to Joe and ask him if that is going to be his "client's" defense......especially if he's being "retained".

I wonder if the case will makes its way into Dutch legal text books.  What might the next generation of Dutch lawyers and judges learn from this?  From family van der Sloot?

[robots]

here is a little News Flash for Hans

1. GOT GET JORAN

if you get joran you will automatically get K2

if you Get K2 you will get Paulus


thats the way to do it 

[Lala'sMom]

So, it's entirely possible that instead of at any casino, Joran + Deepak + ? were in the process of disposing of Natalee's body at the time Beth and Jug arrived in Aruba.

Exactly.

If you remember, they were no where to be found during the wild goose chase that Paulus took them on that night...car was inside the gate...care was outside gate in the end...they were too busy to be gambling.

[Kat_Gram]

I believe the 2 security guards were arrested and put in there to help the police to monitor what J2K were blabbing in jail.  JMO but I do believe they could not take a chance of having those boys talking to anyone so they placed the guards (probably paid off to do this) in cells next to them to account for anything they might say.
I disagee in the most polite and monkey like fashion.
IMO those two were arrested to see how it would fly and if Beth and Jug and Dave had not been there and done some of their own research into the facts and knew better, it would have been life for those two. Beth was the driving force on the CNN news channels in getting these two guys released. The families of the two guards were not treated in the same fashion as the Kalpoes or the Sloots. I do remember one of their mothers being on CNN and she was being told absolutely nothing by the ALE. I don't even think she was told where her son was. The guards familes had no inside track in the Justice Ministry.

[Katysmom]

I believe the 2 security guards were arrested and put in there to help the police to monitor what J2K were blabbing in jail.  JMO but I do believe they could not take a chance of having those boys talking to anyone so they placed the guards (probably paid off to do this) in cells next to them to account for anything they might say.
I disagee in the most polite and monkey like fashion.
IMO those two were arrested to see how it would fly and if Beth and Jug and Dave had not been there and done some of their own research into the facts and knew better, it would have been life for those two. Beth was the driving force on the CNN news channels in getting these two guys released. The families of the two guards were not treated in the same fashion as the Kalpoes or the Sloots. I do remember one of their mothers being on CNN and she was being told absolutely nothing by the ALE. I don't even think she was told where her son was. The guards familes had no inside track in the Justice Ministry.

I have to agree with Kat.  Considering the way Aruba looks down on blacks (and women), the 2 black men would of been the 'easy out' for Aruba.

[SunnyinTX]

oops!!!
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/01/aruba.holloway/

thanks LD......shows once again what a vile evil person renHO is.....they met with Mos for approximately one hour and about 3 with the interrogators....not being interrogated for 6 hours as renHO states....I hope that witches tongue rots right out of her ugly mouth!!

[Lala'sMom]

I believe the 2 security guards were arrested and put in there to help the police to monitor what J2K were blabbing in jail.  JMO but I do believe they could not take a chance of having those boys talking to anyone so they placed the guards (probably paid off to do this) in cells next to them to account for anything they might say.
I disagee in the most polite and monkey like fashion.
IMO those two were arrested to see how it would fly and if Beth and Jug and Dave had not been there and done some of their own research into the facts and knew better, it would have been life for those two. Beth was the driving force on the CNN news channels in getting these two guys released. The families of the two guards were not treated in the same fashion as the Kalpoes or the Sloots. I do remember one of their mothers being on CNN and she was being told absolutely nothing by the ALE. I don't even think she was told where her son was. The guards familes had no inside track in the Justice Ministry.

I have to agree with Kat.  Considering the way Aruba looks down on blacks (and women), the 2 black men would of been the 'easy out' for Aruba.

But....what prompted KJ to arrest them?  What caused those two out of several to be the ones that got arrested?  I am not claiming any inside knowledge here..just wondering why they were the ones and not some other black guards.  They weren't the only ones that fit the description.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Posted by Glenda at Ru:

You mean the fisherman who didn't report a crab trap stolen although that is the premise for the Million Dollar Search for Natalee. Did I read here that the owner of the boat was quoted saying her remains would still be intact because the water is sooo cold. What is the definition of Cold? Because this water is like a warm bathtub.

Question for Glenda:  When was the last time you dove to 1000 feet? 

I'm behind, but didn't Dr. Baden make the statement about the body being preserved in cold, deep water?

[SunnyinTX]

I think it's very interesting that we HAVEN'T heard a word from the family.  Very different approach this time around.

Good point!
I think we would hear about it if they were not 100% convinced it was legitimate this time around.

Wreck that ran through my mind as well...and then again as long as the killer is in jail I don't think Beth will say a word....but I hope we hear something from JQK before too much longer

[Lala'sMom]

Posted by Glenda at Ru:

You mean the fisherman who didn't report a crab trap stolen although that is the premise for the Million Dollar Search for Natalee. Did I read here that the owner of the boat was quoted saying her remains would still be intact because the water is sooo cold. What is the definition of Cold? Because this water is like a warm bathtub.

Question for Glenda:  When was the last time you dove to 1000 feet? 

I'm behind, but didn't Dr. Baden make the statement about the body being preserved in cold, deep water?

As you astute monkeys have pointed out..it was Dompig that mentioned the crab trap that was stolen...so does that mean the Glenda is calling Dompig a liar? 

[ldstlou]

oops!!!
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/01/aruba.holloway/

thanks LD......shows once again what a vile evil person renHO is.....they met with Mos for approximately one hour and about 3 with the interrogators....not being interrogated for 6 hours as renHO states....I hope that witches tongue rots right out of her ugly mouth!!

you are starting to show an evil streak like me..lol!!

I think it was VERY INTERESTING!!! they spent most of their time with the interrogators!!!

[Anna]

I think the security guards were arrested because Deepak ID'ed one of them from the security tape from the hotel where they were working.  Abraham Johns.  MJ was later hauled in as well because he shared a shift sometimes with AJ and they had been known to hang out together.

Has been speculated that J2K picked those particular guards because they passed them frequently going to and from the HI Excelsior casino.

At one time the SPECULATION was further plans were to plant things along their routine patrol route but that seemed to be abandoned in favor of perhaps rock painting for a crime scene.

Just my opinion as it's been far too long to still have links.  At least for me and doesn't seem to matter any more any way.

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[Lala'sMom]

Sorry, 2NJ, I messed up that quote thingy again...gosh!

[Kat_Gram]

I have the link to the Crime and Punishmnet radio show open. You have to click Download now. Slows things down here, but I wanted to test it out. Will look fwd to listening.
My young ppl are in Florida right now, I voluntered to shovel snow over there when there was not a sno flake in sight. So of course it has been snowing like crazy.

[SunnyinTX]

Posted by Glenda at Ru:

You mean the fisherman who didn't report a crab trap stolen although that is the premise for the Million Dollar Search for Natalee. Did I read here that the owner of the boat was quoted saying her remains would still be intact because the water is sooo cold. What is the definition of Cold? Because this water is like a warm bathtub.

Question for Glenda:  When was the last time you dove to 1000 feet? 

she has never dove that deep...but she has sunk a whole lot lower.....b/witch

[MuffyBee]

I think the security guards were arrested because Deepak ID'ed one of them from the security tape from the hotel where they were working.  Abraham Johns.  MJ was later hauled in as well because he shared a shift sometimes with AJ and they had been known to hang out together.

Has been speculated that J2K picked those particular guards because they passed them frequently going to and from the HI Excelsior casino.

At one time the SPECULATION was further plans were to plant things along their routine patrol route but that seemed to be abandoned in favor of perhaps rock painting for a crime scene.

Just my opinion as it's been far too long to still have links.  At least for me and doesn't seem to matter any more any way.

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Anna ~  I agree with you, and made a similiar post a couple pages back.  (It's a biotch being invisible)  I thought too that the two security guards had been working at a hotel very near the Holiday Inn.  That hotel was closed for remodel, and I was thinking the two guards were laid off at the time or were just doing security near there.  Can't remember, it's been a while.

[robots]

aruba is a hell hole

[Stom]

I believe the 2 security guards were arrested and put in there to help the police to monitor what J2K were blabbing in jail.  JMO but I do believe they could not take a chance of having those boys talking to anyone so they placed the guards (probably paid off to do this) in cells next to them to account for anything they might say.
I disagee in the most polite and monkey like fashion.
IMO those two were arrested to see how it would fly and if Beth and Jug and Dave had not been there and done some of their own research into the facts and knew better, it would have been life for those two. Beth was the driving force on the CNN news channels in getting these two guys released. The families of the two guards were not treated in the same fashion as the Kalpoes or the Sloots. I do remember one of their mothers being on CNN and she was being told absolutely nothing by the ALE. I don't even think she was told where her son was. The guards familes had no inside track in the Justice Ministry.

I have to agree with Kat.  Considering the way Aruba looks down on blacks (and women), the 2 black men would of been the 'easy out' for Aruba.

Race did not have a significant role in the arrest of Antonius Johns and Abraham Jones.  The fact that Johns is from Grenada and Jones from Bonaire probably did make them more vulnerable to becoming “dispensable” in the eyes of the police investigators, because they are immigrants.