Natalee Case Discussion #699 12/1 - 12/3/2007

[Tylergal]

Posted by Glenda at Ru:

You mean the fisherman who didn't report a crab trap stolen although that is the premise for the Million Dollar Search for Natalee. Did I read here that the owner of the boat was quoted saying her remains would still be intact because the water is sooo cold. What is the definition of Cold? Because this water is like a warm bathtub.

Question for Glenda:  When was the last time you dove to 1000 feet? 

I'm behind, but didn't Dr. Baden make the statement about the body being preserved in cold, deep water?

Yes, but then we know Glenda is more knowledgeable of technology, pathology, forensics, global warming, art, hardware, contracting, stockmarket and especially murder and mayhem than all people put together, either alive or dead on the planet at this moment.

[Anna]

Of course, should Natalee's remains be found, then the emissaries of hell will claim it was planted to be found.  I hope they have an impeccable witness aboard and video everything.

[MuffyBee]

I believe the 2 security guards were arrested and put in there to help the police to monitor what J2K were blabbing in jail.  JMO but I do believe they could not take a chance of having those boys talking to anyone so they placed the guards (probably paid off to do this) in cells next to them to account for anything they might say.
I disagee in the most polite and monkey like fashion.
IMO those two were arrested to see how it would fly and if Beth and Jug and Dave had not been there and done some of their own research into the facts and knew better, it would have been life for those two. Beth was the driving force on the CNN news channels in getting these two guys released. The families of the two guards were not treated in the same fashion as the Kalpoes or the Sloots. I do remember one of their mothers being on CNN and she was being told absolutely nothing by the ALE. I don't even think she was told where her son was. The guards familes had no inside track in the Justice Ministry.

I have to agree with Kat.  Considering the way Aruba looks down on blacks (and women), the 2 black men would of been the 'easy out' for Aruba.

Race did not have a significant role in the arrest of Antonius Johns and Abraham Jones.  The fact that Johns is from Grenada and Jones from Bonaire probably did make them more vulnerable to becoming “dispensable” in the eyes of the police investigators, because they are immigrants.

Oh really. Hmmm.  I saw the photos of the two security guards being dragged out of their houses early in the a.m. in their boxers and handcuffs.  IIRC, that wasn't the case for Joran. 

[robots]

Aruba will look even more EVIL than ever, if Hans Mos does not
do the right thing and get this to trial and get a conviction.

Aruba can pay now or they can pay later,  when you pay later
you always PAY more in the long run.

Not to mention the DUTCH will be forever linked to the CORRUPT aruba police and
dept and law enforcement

what you say Hans ?

you want to be linked with the likes of DOMPIG, PAULUS, JOE T. JORAN
and K2 !!
 
you like the sound of that? want youre kids to grow up and read how inept you were
when it is crystal clear what happened ?

come on Hans. show some guts - nobody on aruba has any

 

[islanders]

I think the K2 will be rearrested tomorrow.

They were too involved that night with the main suspect to be given any benefit of doubt as to the limits of their participation.

They should be fully questioned.

I would assume the Dutch are more offended than Americans.

This BS isn't going to fly long.

This is their problem and they need to deal with it.

[Anna]

I believe the 2 security guards were arrested and put in there to help the police to monitor what J2K were blabbing in jail.  JMO but I do believe they could not take a chance of having those boys talking to anyone so they placed the guards (probably paid off to do this) in cells next to them to account for anything they might say.
I disagee in the most polite and monkey like fashion.
IMO those two were arrested to see how it would fly and if Beth and Jug and Dave had not been there and done some of their own research into the facts and knew better, it would have been life for those two. Beth was the driving force on the CNN news channels in getting these two guys released. The families of the two guards were not treated in the same fashion as the Kalpoes or the Sloots. I do remember one of their mothers being on CNN and she was being told absolutely nothing by the ALE. I don't even think she was told where her son was. The guards families had no inside track in the Justice Ministry.

I have to agree with Kat.  Considering the way Aruba looks down on blacks (and women), the 2 black men would of been the 'easy out' for Aruba.

Race did not have a significant role in the arrest of Antonius Johns and Abraham Jones.  The fact that Johns is from Grenada and Jones from Bonaire probably did make them more vulnerable to becoming “dispensable” in the eyes of the police investigators, because they are immigrants.

Oh really. Hmmm.  I saw the photos of the two security guards being dragged out of their houses early in the a.m. in their boxers and handcuffs.  IIRC, that wasn't the case for Joran. 

Sure wasn't, muffybee.  And I think the fact that they were black was supposed to appeal to Hitler's sister's daughter as well, given her known racist tendencies.  Deepak has been told Natalee called them slaves so guess that also gave him the idea to select a couple of black people to go along with the Plantation mentality of the Alabama Delegation.  Course he got that little tidbit from Joran telling him Natalee said that.  Joran's way of trying to make Deepak hate Natalee.  And also a good reflection of Joran's prejudices as well instead of all the others he tries to cast aspersions upon.

[Katysmom]

I believe the 2 security guards were arrested and put in there to help the police to monitor what J2K were blabbing in jail.  JMO but I do believe they could not take a chance of having those boys talking to anyone so they placed the guards (probably paid off to do this) in cells next to them to account for anything they might say.
I disagee in the most polite and monkey like fashion.
IMO those two were arrested to see how it would fly and if Beth and Jug and Dave had not been there and done some of their own research into the facts and knew better, it would have been life for those two. Beth was the driving force on the CNN news channels in getting these two guys released. The families of the two guards were not treated in the same fashion as the Kalpoes or the Sloots. I do remember one of their mothers being on CNN and she was being told absolutely nothing by the ALE. I don't even think she was told where her son was. The guards familes had no inside track in the Justice Ministry.

I have to agree with Kat.  Considering the way Aruba looks down on blacks (and women), the 2 black men would of been the 'easy out' for Aruba.

But....what prompted KJ to arrest them?  What caused those two out of several to be the ones that got arrested?  I am not claiming any inside knowledge here..just wondering why they were the ones and not some other black guards.  They weren't the only ones that fit the description.

Could it of been because they were working that night?  I don't remember exactly when they got laid off; if it was before or after the night Natalee disappeared.  Surely Klaas knows

[Kat_Gram]

I believe the 2 security guards were arrested and put in there to help the police to monitor what J2K were blabbing in jail.  JMO but I do believe they could not take a chance of having those boys talking to anyone so they placed the guards (probably paid off to do this) in cells next to them to account for anything they might say.
I disagee in the most polite and monkey like fashion.
IMO those two were arrested to see how it would fly and if Beth and Jug and Dave had not been there and done some of their own research into the facts and knew better, it would have been life for those two. Beth was the driving force on the CNN news channels in getting these two guys released. The families of the two guards were not treated in the same fashion as the Kalpoes or the Sloots. I do remember one of their mothers being on CNN and she was being told absolutely nothing by the ALE. I don't even think she was told where her son was. The guards familes had no inside track in the Justice Ministry.

I have to agree with Kat.  Considering the way Aruba looks down on blacks (and women), the 2 black men would of been the 'easy out' for Aruba.

But....what prompted KJ to arrest them?  What caused those two out of several to be the ones that got arrested?  I am not claiming any inside knowledge here..just wondering why they were the ones and not some other black guards.  They weren't the only ones that fit the description.

Because their faces were known around the HI. It was Deepak / Joran / Satish who provided the story and the Ale went with it. If it hadn't been them, it would have been someone else who was around the hotels frequently. KJ as a prosecutor relied on the police to provide the information. The ALE were Van Der Stratten and Jacobs. Did Van Der Stratten go to see or talk on the phone with either of the guards families and give them a heads up ? My memory is good when it comes to the visual things I see and I watched this unfold on CNN and thought to myself, are they crazy in Aruba ? That was before the all the connections to the Sloot family and the OM and the ALE became public knowledge.

[robots]

replay of greta today

the delicious sporter admitted they went to his house but didnt go in..

sureeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee..

[Anna]

Also didn't some news station get a huge fine for filming the Sporter in his briefs?  Money believed in part given to Joran for his bragging of how much money he made while sitting in jail?

No such deal for the hapless security guards.

[klaasend]

I think the K2 will be rearrested tomorrow.

They were too involved that night with the main suspect to be given any benefit of doubt as to the limits of their participation.

They should be fully questioned.

I would assume the Dutch are more offended than Americans.

This BS isn't going to fly long.

This is their problem and they need to deal with it.

I like the way you think!

[SunnyinTX]

oops!!!
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/01/aruba.holloway/

thanks LD......shows once again what a vile evil person renHO is.....they met with Mos for approximately one hour and about 3 with the interrogators....not being interrogated for 6 hours as renHO states....I hope that witches tongue rots right out of her ugly mouth!!

you are starting to show an evil streak like me..lol!!

I think it was VERY INTERESTING!!! they spent most of their time with the interrogators!!!

LOL......as long as I don't drink wine like you, Ill be OK I am sure the interrogators were very interested in all the info Beth and Dave and JQK had to offer

[2NJSons_Mom]

I believe the 2 security guards were arrested and put in there to help the police to monitor what J2K were blabbing in jail.  JMO but I do believe they could not take a chance of having those boys talking to anyone so they placed the guards (probably paid off to do this) in cells next to them to account for anything they might say.
I disagee in the most polite and monkey like fashion.
IMO those two were arrested to see how it would fly and if Beth and Jug and Dave had not been there and done some of their own research into the facts and knew better, it would have been life for those two. Beth was the driving force on the CNN news channels in getting these two guys released. The families of the two guards were not treated in the same fashion as the Kalpoes or the Sloots. I do remember one of their mothers being on CNN and she was being told absolutely nothing by the ALE. I don't even think she was told where her son was. The guards familes had no inside track in the Justice Ministry.

I agree...especially since the 2 security guards were taken into custody on 6/5/05 and held for a few days before J2K were brought in....unless they were in seminars on how-to eavesdrop or get J2K to talk..  

[SunnyinTX]

Anna ~  I agree with you, and made a similiar post a couple pages back.  (It's a biotch being invisible)  I thought too that the two security guards had been working at a hotel very near the Holiday Inn.  That hotel was closed for remodel, and I was thinking the two guards were laid off at the time or were just doing security near there.  Can't remember, it's been a while.

muffy....you are not invisible.....I promise you that....I am scurrying trying to catch up from early this afternoon...I agree with your post....IIRC they were laid off.....and they had been bumming smokes and drinks from the tourists....and trying to hit on the young girls

[Kat_Gram]

And I sincerley hope that any information gleaned in this meeting is not made public.
I also hope they never used a phone in Aruba. Glenda can speculate all she wants, unless she was a fly on the wall she knows sh*&.

[2NJSons_Mom]

I think the security guards were arrested because Deepak ID'ed one of them from the security tape from the hotel where they were working.  Abraham Johns.  MJ was later hauled in as well because he shared a shift sometimes with AJ and they had been known to hang out together.

Has been speculated that J2K picked those particular guards because they passed them frequently going to and from the HI Excelsior casino.

At one time the SPECULATION was further plans were to plant things along their routine patrol route but that seemed to be abandoned in favor of perhaps rock painting for a crime scene.

Just my opinion as it's been far too long to still have links.  At least for me and doesn't seem to matter any more any way.

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Anna ~  I agree with you, and made a similiar post a couple pages back.  (It's a biotch being invisible)  I thought too that the two security guards had been working at a hotel very near the Holiday Inn.  That hotel was closed for remodel, and I was thinking the two guards were laid off at the time or were just doing security near there.  Can't remember, it's been a while.

Allegro was the hotel....I see you buzzing around...

[Buckeye]

msmarples and all

Found a full English copy of the letter Art Woods had published in Diario.  You need to scroll a little down past the black backround and the very white newspaper backround will display.

http://renevannie.com/inhoud/kritisch/_kritisch.html

[Anna]

Tyler,
Thank you for those most eloquent posts this morning.  I have read back and they did not fall on deaf ears.  You are spot on as always from my vantage point.

.

[SunnyinTX]

Yes, but then we know Glenda is more knowledgeable of technology, pathology, forensics, global warming, art, hardware, contracting, stockmarket and especially murder and mayhem than all people put together, either alive or dead on the planet at this moment.

I hate to disagrre with Tyler...but IMO the only thing renHo has any knowledge of is what she can do on her back or her knees

[San]

I think the K2 will be rearrested tomorrow.

They were too involved that night with the main suspect to be given any benefit of doubt as to the limits of their participation.

They should be fully questioned.

I would assume the Dutch are more offended than Americans.

This BS isn't going to fly long.

This is their problem and they need to deal with it.

I do not believe they will be rearrested.  But then again I could be wrong because stranger things have happened.  Kalpoes pack your baggies.

The only time the so called Dutch were offended in this case was when Beth came to Aruba and handed the Sloots on a silver platter in her daughters disappeareance.  How dare she accuse this nice well known Dutch family.  Van der Straaten and Karin Janssen were highly offended.

I agree this is their problem and they need to fix what they created in the first place.  In the words of Deepak Kalpoe "enough of this BS already".  Bring them to trial for the voluntary manslaughter and throw in Kidnapping and Rape.