Natalee Case Discussion #699 12/1 - 12/3/2007

[SunnyinTX]

I am taking Beth, Dave's and JQK's silence as a good sign..I think Mos gave them some hope...what do you think?

[Anna]

I have never felt that the Kalpoes went to C&C to pick up girls. They are too unattractive to appeal to blond American girls from Alabama, and in all the pictures we've seen they hang out with a much tougher type of girl. Rather, I think they went to C&C to sell drugs to the Americans who were going home the next day. That's what THEY had done twenty times before and it always worked.

I think Joran went to C&C in the hopes of getting a girl or having a good time or just doing something interesting on a Sunday night. He was the entry point, giving the Kalpoes access to this American group.

Joran and the Kalpoes had two different interests but they benefitted each other -- Kalpoes had the car that Joran needed and Joran had the access to the American group that the Kalpoes needed.

It was just an ordinary night.

Another interesting possibility.

[Magnolia]

Nut
Simian is still there alive and kicking...trust me on this...(I think I just sounded like Rob ) 

  i'll trust you as i know how much time and effort you have put in.....so what happened to simian?  why does he/she not post anymore and why the sudden stop...it seems the latest developments would bring them out once again??

Simian is a coward...plain and simple.  The PTB on hell island still control things...don't kid yourself.

I remember reading here a long time ago that Dave knew who Simiam
was and had talked with him.  It was a mod that made that statement.

[NYC_lover]

I am back. RTL-boulevard were few minutes ago talking about the Holloway case.

[SunnyinTX]

It's time to get some Christmas shopping done (way past time) so I will join you later.  Hope everyone has a good day and let's keep our chins up, our attitudes positive and our prayers with Tim Miller and the Holloways and their extended families.

Later Tyler......I have enjoyed all your posts from yesterday and today.....hurry back

[dennisintn]

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Hi Tyler.  I have to respectfully disagree.  Ecstasy, or MDMA, does not going to fit the description of the activities of that night.  First off, Natalee didn't arrive at C & C's until rather late, probably 10 PM or after.  This would only give her a maximum of 3 hours to dance.  We saw her in the casino, seated at the BJ table up until 9:30 or so.  For someone who loved to dance, as Natalee did, three hours of dancing would be fun, not an ecstasy-induced marathon. 

Joran bought her a shot of 151 rum right at closing time.  I have no doubt this was poured from the special bottle kept behind the bar for ladies.  For $20 or $25 a shot, the lady gets a GHB-laced shot.  Because the drink is intended to be taken in one shot, without time to taste it before pouring it down the throat, this is the ideal way to administer a date-rape drug.  Do you remember Joran saying Natalee told him she would take it in two drinks, not one?  She didn't like to take shots--too strong and nasty for a non-drinker--and I think she just managed about half of it.  The drug takes effect in 20-30 minutes, thus the need to give it just before closing so the rapist can get his target into his car soon after the administration of the drug and before the target passes out and becomes incoherent.  Remember, Natalee's friend said she wasn't talking much and her eyes looked heavy as she was leaving.  She was already becoming disoriented.  These are not symptoms of ecstacy, or MDMA, but of a stronger drug like GHB.

I believe Natalee took enough of the drug in her half shot that she was incapacitated but not enough to keep her unconscious.  She woke and fought with Joran and her other attackers, leading to her death by violence.
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azlady, i do believe you have hit the nail square on the head.
dennisintn

[Lala'sMom]

Thanks, San.   

Lala's, maybe not a coward, just an opportunist.  My grandfather always said those types "will join them if they can't beat 'em."

Yes, that is a good way to phrase it...Simian is a cowardly opportunist...get with the program Simian...come out...help us here.  If you really want justice in this case...the time is now.  Tell us who was in the 3 vehicles that you claim were there that night.  Tell us about the 5th suspect.  Why did you use the term 'boyfriend"?  Explain how they can charge the Kalpoes with abuse of a corpse if they were not there afterwards.  Still waiting Simian...I know you read here...email me...I promise I will not divulge anything. I know other things and have never let them out.  I just want to know you are real and that you really did have an inside into this fiasco you call justice.  Here's my email...it's a throw away addy...easy to use.  cindoal@yahoo.com.

[Tamikosmom]

KIM GUILFOYLE THE LINE UP SUNDAY NIGHT FOX PART #1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxgqo0OGTuA


KIM GUILFOYLE THE LINE UP SUNDAY NIGHT FOX PART #2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itfQ1pnfsSU

Thank you Carpe.

I appreciate your Youtube videos.  This Canadian only gets CNN ... not the other American channels where many of the Natalee Holloway interviews take place.

Janet

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's...I read a post of yours a couple days ago...yes, I am, as usual,  way behind....but you said you knew who shango is/was?  are you willing to share that with us?  what happened to this person? dead or alive??  I am the first to admit I don't understand one word of the posts....but I wonder what in the hell happened?? did this person really have any knowledge or was he/she pulling our legs

If I tell you then how will I know if the real Shango ever comes back? 

he/she would give you a sign???     seriously...do you think he/she will ever come back and explain the writings?

Not likely. 

and why do you say not likely???

Has anyone ever told you that you would make a good attorney? 

[igsigs]

I am back. RTL-boulevard were few minutes ago talking about the Holloway case.

Anything new?

[SunnyinTX]

Lala's...I read a post of yours a couple days ago...yes, I am, as usual,  way behind....but you said you knew who shango is/was?  are you willing to share that with us?  what happened to this person? dead or alive??  I am the first to admit I don't understand one word of the posts....but I wonder what in the hell happened?? did this person really have any knowledge or was he/she pulling our legs

If I tell you then how will I know if the real Shango ever comes back? 

he/she would give you a sign???     seriously...do you think he/she will ever come back and explain the writings?

Not likely. 

and why do you say not likely???

Has anyone ever told you that you would make a good attorney? 

OK...no more questions

[NYC_lover]

I am taking Beth, Dave's and JQK's silence as a good sign..I think Mos gave them some hope...what do you think?

This a good be. But one hope topic, I don't audacity about to talking. I just think about the arrest why Mos has arrested J2K and about the possible new evidence.

[nonesuche]

I admire your persistence Lala's - Simian are you listening out there? Piece of cake, just an email, help a sistah out !

While RU exults in thinking Beth was 'interrogated' I expect that walking back through her journal, all the events of those days, including the stonewalling of K Jannsen and ALE for five hours was an exhausting process emotionally for her. I don't doubt she's not speaking to press for a good reason, she has JKelly to handle that and it's ridiculous that Titomebrainless thinks Beth is going to provide him one ounce of a statement knowing he's messenger/spy for Renho?

Beth is no fool, it really irritates them that she won't play their mind games doesn't it?

I appreciate Kimberly's capability to cut through the Tito fluff and get to the heart of this, unlike Greta.

[Tamikosmom]

I am taking Beth, Dave's and JQK's silence as a good sign..I think Mos gave them some hope...what do you think?

Sunny ... I do not know what to think anymore.   

If Tito has any credibility ... his words that imply insider knowledge  are the truth ...

Janet

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Posted by Heli at RU:

The Lineup Dec 2, 2007 TRANSCRIPT

The Lineup
December 2, 2007

Transcribed from DVD recording by Heli

As for the second part, yes Beth Holloway came in this morning about 9 o'clock, about 1/2 hour later than expected in a police station in the city Oranjestadt and after which she was put in a conversation with the prosecuting office, Hans Mos and Dop Kruimel After that was finished both the prosecutors left the office or left the police station and by surprise the interrogators came in and (inaudible) by Dolph Richardson the chief investigaor, they started interrogating her which lasted for over 5 hours. She left not very happy and wouldn't say anything on camera. She left the police department about 2:30

[Anna]

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Hi Tyler.  I have to respectfully disagree.  Ecstasy, or MDMA, does not going to fit the description of the activities of that night.  First off, Natalee didn't arrive at C & C's until rather late, probably 10 PM or after.  This would only give her a maximum of 3 hours to dance.  We saw her in the casino, seated at the BJ table up until 9:30 or so.  For someone who loved to dance, as Natalee did, three hours of dancing would be fun, not an ecstasy-induced marathon. 

Joran bought her a shot of 151 rum right at closing time.  I have no doubt this was poured from the special bottle kept behind the bar for ladies.  For $20 or $25 a shot, the lady gets a GHB-laced shot.  Because the drink is intended to be taken in one shot, without time to taste it before pouring it down the throat, this is the ideal way to administer a date-rape drug.  Do you remember Joran saying Natalee told him she would take it in two drinks, not one?  She didn't like to take shots--too strong and nasty for a non-drinker--and I think she just managed about half of it.  The drug takes effect in 20-30 minutes, thus the need to give it just before closing so the rapist can get his target into his car soon after the administration of the drug and before the target passes out and becomes incoherent.  Remember, Natalee's friend said she wasn't talking much and her eyes looked heavy as she was leaving.  She was already becoming disoriented.  These are not symptoms of ecstacy, or MDMA, but of a stronger drug like GHB.

I believe Natalee took enough of the drug in her half shot that she was incapacitated but not enough to keep her unconscious.  She woke and fought with Joran and her other attackers, leading to her death by violence.

azlady, i do believe you have hit the nail square on the head.
dennisintn
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I have always wondered if the bartenders tended to slip a little XTC into the drinks of pretty girls to try to get them to dance, etc.  Some of those photos and vids do not look normal at all.  Especially one of the videos taken aboard the Tattoo where the crowd seems in some sort of sexual frenzy,  Could there be such a thing as mass drugging or at least targeted by bartender?

Had this already been done and then Joran added the drink he ordered with the GHB in it and this caused some sort of reaction or overdose?  Or combative behavior.

[Lala'sMom]

Nut
Simian is still there alive and kicking...trust me on this...(I think I just sounded like Rob ) 

  i'll trust you as i know how much time and effort you have put in.....so what happened to simian?  why does he/she not post anymore and why the sudden stop...it seems the latest developments would bring them out once again??

Simian is a coward...plain and simple.  The PTB on hell island still control things...don't kid yourself.

I remember reading here a long time ago that Dave knew who Simiam
was and had talked with him.  It was a mod that made that statement.

I think it may have been Shango and not Simian...then again what do I remember?  I thought Simian's identity was not in question any longer...but as I said, what do I know?

 I don't know if Dave has ever met the real Shango...I would say it's likely that he did..but I am fairly certain that Beth has.  No. Beth didn't say that...I figured it out all by my dumb little self. 

Thanks for reminding me Magnolia...btw just so you know I have you on Santa's "nice" list this year. 

[NYC_lover]

I am back. RTL-boulevard were few minutes ago talking about the Holloway case.

Anything new?

Not really, crime reporter from RTL NL and to same with a professor criminal law were just talking to the news reporters about NO body No evidence.

[Lala'sMom]

I admire your persistence Lala's - Simian are you listening out there? Piece of cake, just an email, help a sistah out !

While RU exults in thinking Beth was 'interrogated' I expect that walking back through her journal, all the events of those days, including the stonewalling of K Jannsen and ALE for five hours was an exhausting process emotionally for her. I don't doubt she's not speaking to press for a good reason, she has JKelly to handle that and it's ridiculous that Titomebrainless thinks Beth is going to provide him one ounce of a statement knowing he's messenger/spy for Renho?

Beth is no fool, it really irritates them that she won't play their mind games doesn't it?

I appreciate Kimberly's capability to cut through the Tito fluff and get to the heart of this, unlike Greta.

persistence or persnickety-ness?  Hi there Nosey!  (Did you know everyone thinks I am being mean to you when I call you Nosey? LOL..shhh...our secret.)

[SunnyinTX]

I am taking Beth, Dave's and JQK's silence as a good sign..I think Mos gave them some hope...what do you think?

Sunny ... I do not know what to think anymore.   

If Tito has any credibility ... his words that imply insider knowledge  are the truth ...

Janet

++++++++++++++++++++


Posted by Heli at RU:

The Lineup Dec 2, 2007 TRANSCRIPT

The Lineup
December 2, 2007

Transcribed from DVD recording by Heli

As for the second part, yes Beth Holloway came in this morning about 9 o'clock, about 1/2 hour later than expected in a police station in the city Oranjestadt and after which she was put in a conversation with the prosecuting office, Hans Mos and Dop Kruimel After that was finished both the prosecutors left the office or left the police station and by surprise the interrogators came in and (inaudible) by Dolph Richardson the chief investigaor, they started interrogating her which lasted for over 5 hours. She left not very happy and wouldn't say anything on camera. She left the police department about 2:30

I don't think Tito has any creditability at all.....and I can't see them even trying to interrogate Beth.....I am sure they were elated to talk with her and have her share all her information with the,...the more REAL information the have the better!!

[Magnolia]

Nut
Simian is still there alive and kicking...trust me on this...(I think I just sounded like Rob ) 

  i'll trust you as i know how much time and effort you have put in.....so what happened to simian?  why does he/she not post anymore and why the sudden stop...it seems the latest developments would bring them out once again??

Simian is a coward...plain and simple.  The PTB on hell island still control things...don't kid yourself.

I remember reading here a long time ago that Dave knew who Simiam
was and had talked with him.  It was a mod that made that statement.

I think it may have been Shango and not Simian...then again what do I remember?  I thought Simian's identity was not in question any longer...but as I said, what do I know?

 I don't know if Dave has ever met the real Shango...I would say it's likely that he did..but I am fairly certain that Beth has.  No. Beth didn't say that...I figured it out all by my dumb little self. 

Thanks for reminding me Magnolia...btw just so you know I have you on Santa's "nice" list this year. 

Ooooooh, thanks!  Maybe he will bring me a nice surprise!