Natalee Case Discussion #699 12/1 - 12/3/2007

[SunnyinTX]

Nut
Simian is still there alive and kicking...trust me on this...(I think I just sounded like Rob ) 

  i'll trust you as i know how much time and effort you have put in.....so what happened to simian?  why does he/she not post anymore and why the sudden stop...it seems the latest developments would bring them out once again??

Simian is a coward...plain and simple.  The PTB on hell island still control things...don't kid yourself.

I remember reading here a long time ago that Dave knew who Simiam
was and had talked with him.  It was a mod that made that statement.

I think it may have been Shango and not Simian...then again what do I remember?  I thought Simian's identity was not in question any longer...but as I said, what do I know?

 I don't know if Dave has ever met the real Shango...I would say it's likely that he did..but I am fairly certain that Beth has.  No. Beth didn't say that...I figured it out all by my dumb little self. 

Thanks for reminding me Magnolia...btw just so you know I have you on Santa's "nice" list this year. 

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[AZLady]

I have always wondered if the bartenders tended to slip a little XTC into the drinks of pretty girls to try to get them to dance, etc.  Some of those photos and vids do not look normal at all.  Especially one of the videos taken aboard the Tattoo where the crowd seems in some sort of sexual frenzy,  Could there be such a thing as mass drugging or at least targeted by bartender?

Had this already been done and then Joran added the drink he ordered with the GHB in it and this caused some sort of reaction or overdose?  Or combative behavior.

I doubt it, Anna.  Too expensive.  Ecstasy is about $10 a pop, sometimes more.  Why do they care if the girls dance?  Besides, girls dance without any prodding and often without any male partners, with each other.  Ecstasy is a stimulant, not a depressant.  Taking ecstasy is not going to lead to any mad sexual frenzy but more of a mellow, loving attitude. 

Yes, I'm sure bartender targeted certain girls with the "special bottle drinks" but he's not going to dispense these for free.  They need to be paid for by men who want a nearly unconscious girl at closing time.

[Lala'sMom]

I have always wondered if the bartenders tended to slip a little XTC into the drinks of pretty girls to try to get them to dance, etc.  Some of those photos and vids do not look normal at all.  Especially one of the videos taken aboard the Tattoo where the crowd seems in some sort of sexual frenzy,  Could there be such a thing as mass drugging or at least targeted by bartender?

Had this already been done and then Joran added the drink he ordered with the GHB in it and this caused some sort of reaction or overdose?  Or combative behavior.

I doubt it, Anna.  Too expensive.  Ecstasy is about $10 a pop, sometimes more.  Why do they care if the girls dance?  Besides, girls dance without any prodding and often without any male partners, with each other.  Ecstasy is a stimulant, not a depressant.  Taking ecstasy is not going to lead to any mad sexual frenzy but more of a mellow, loving attitude. 

Yes, I'm sure bartender targeted certain girls with the "special bottle drinks" but he's not going to dispense these for free.  They need to be paid for by men who want a nearly unconscious girl at closing time.

They couldn't drug her too much before they got her in the car..otherwise she would have gone back with her group if she was feeling really bad. She had to appear to agree to this on her own.

[AZLady]

Ecstasy is usually in pill form.  However, I believe Shango's reference was to something called by the street name of "Liquid Ecstasy" which is not the same as the pill form of Ecstasy or MDMA.  "Liquid Ecstasy" is a street name for GHB, the date rape drug.

[Magnolia]

XTC is an upper. 
BHT is a downer.

[AZLady]

Lala's, exactly.  That's why these drinks are only poured at closing time or when the guy is ready to take the girl away from the bar.  There is a narrow window of about 20 - 30 minutes before the girl is unconscious.

[AZLady]

And, that's also why these predator rapists go to the bars a half hour before closing.  No need to go any earlier.  They are not interested in meeting someone for conversation and romance that would require them to establish a relationship.  Noooo.....

[NYC_lover]

Does someone know this: Can somebody, when there is suspicion to a suspect, when this person is a suspect for hiding a body and the body is never found, can the person get a jail-sentence in the US?

[nonesuche]

persistence or persnickety-ness?  Hi there Nosey!  (Did you know everyone thinks I am being mean to you when I call you Nosey? LOL..shhh...our secret.)

  yes I am sure 'some' revel in your nic for me but good thing they couldn't see us hugging at that game when we met, lord knows what rumors they would conjure up around that too 

nosey I is 

[nonesuche]

I haven't looked at Greta's blog in forever but did so this morning, she's copying SM's FP now wanting posters to name the caption for Deepak's release from jail photo?

I had to wonder if she's trying to capitalize on what SM has generated but it appears a good many of the posters there are drinking that RU Kook-Aid on a regular basis 

They are so easy to spot 

[NYC_lover]

News in McCann case:
New witness again Robert Murat in the McCann case.

The new witness is the 20-years-old Charlotte Pennington.
Charlotte has told Newspaper the Sun, she has see Robert Murat, the night of disappear of Madeleine McCann at the apartment. Where Madeleine and her little twin brother and sister were sleeping that night.

[klaasend]

Does someone know this: Can somebody, when there is suspicion to a suspect, when this person is a suspect for hiding a body and the body is never found, can the person get a jail-sentence in the US?

YES

[NYC_lover]

Does someone know this: Can somebody, when there is suspicion to a suspect, when this person is a suspect for hiding a body and the body is never found, can the person get a jail-sentence in the US?

YES

Ok, thank you Klaasend. It's the same here in the Netherlands.

[klaasend]

Posted by Lazlo at RU:

Lazlo Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 1:42 pm   
Beth knew she was going to be "questioned"

Unlike rumors like: "it came as a total suprise to Beth that she was going to be 'interrogated' " she knew days before she went to Aruba that the investigators had certain questions they wanted to ask her.

If you doubt this, check what Art Wood said on Friday night, a day before the alleged "suprise interrogations" took place. 


Lazlo is correct.  Art Wood on Dana Pretzer spoke about it Friday night before Beth arrived in Aruba.  So there was NO surprise interrogation.

[Observer]

Lala's, exactly.  That's why these drinks are only poured at closing time or when the guy is ready to take the girl away from the bar.  There is a narrow window of about 20 - 30 minutes before the girl is unconscious.

Thats why Deepak went out to his car after just 10-15 minutes after arriving to get ready for a quick departure. He saw the shot being poured or he got the nod from Joran and they were well aware the bar was closing in a few minutes and had it all timed perfectly. According to a witness they saw Deepak escorting Natalee out of C&C 10 minutes after the mass exit of patrons. If true then I can picture NH walking towards the car with Joran but realizing it wasn't a good idea and going back in where it felt safe and to look for friends but feeling heavily drugged. I can imagine Jk2 arguing over who would go back inside to get her. They knew in another 15 minutes she would be unconscious. It was all to easy as all Deepak had to watch out for was Natalee's friends when he escorted her back to his car.

They had something planned like a group rape,a video to show their conquest or some other event. The Kalpoes involvement in all of this wasn't just for Jorans benefit as they were in on it.IMO

[2NJSons_Mom]

I know we're all praying for something positive to come....the candles burned out in gratefulness group, so I started them, again.  (when Mishy isnt putting it out in front of us, well, we forget...at least I did)

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

[Nut44x4]

Joe T. on Court TV w/ Starr Jones...I can't watch it...I can't stand either one, lol.

[klaasend]

Joe T. on Court TV w/ Starr Jones...I can't watch it...I can't stand either one, lol.

Me neither.  Besides, I'm busy decorating my tree 

[vms]

Joe T. on Court TV w/ Starr Jones...I can't watch it...I can't stand either one, lol.

Me neither.  Besides, I'm busy decorating my tree 

TJ Ward on now.

[klaasend]

Joe T. on Court TV w/ Starr Jones...I can't watch it...I can't stand either one, lol.

Me neither.  Besides, I'm busy decorating my tree 

TJ Ward on now.

Thanks VMS - let us know if anything new is said!