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Author Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #701 12/5 - 12/6/2007  (Read 224273 times)
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2007, 05:42:03 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2007, 05:45:18 PM »

I took a shower..  Sad Where did everyone go? 
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2007, 05:45:43 PM »

#1  The decision today in the K2 case was expected

#2  Why didn't Joran's attorneys appeal to have him released immediately like they said they would.  Or did they appeal and was it denied?

#3  Tomorrow, the prosecutor must show more evidence to hold Joran for 60 days.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2007, 05:46:27 PM »

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   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #700 12/3/2007
« Reply #985 on: Today at 03:37:49 PM » 

Good point! All the blaming of the media and the family makes me think they want to charge them with - obstruction of crime.



Any Prosecutor or police department that blames the family and media for their own failures is not worth holding the job. That is the lamest bunch of BS and all is says is that they are worthless at doing the work they were supposed to do.

I am surprised Mos would take this stance, he should know better. Might as well put a sign on that says "I am a Wimp."
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2007, 05:49:00 PM »

#1  The decision today in the K2 case was expected

#2  Why didn't Joran's attorneys appeal to have him released immediately like they said they would.  Or did they appeal and was it denied?

#3  Tomorrow, the prosecutor must show more evidence to hold Joran for 60 days.


 
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2007, 05:52:38 PM »

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   Re: Natalee Case Discussion #700 12/3/2007
« Reply #985 on: Today at 03:37:49 PM » 

Good point! All the blaming of the media and the family makes me think they want to charge them with - obstruction of crime.



Any Prosecutor or police department that blames the family and media for their own failures is not worth holding the job. That is the lamest bunch of BS and all is says is that they are worthless at doing the work they were supposed to do.

I am surprised Mos would take this stance, he should know better. Might as well put a sign on that says "I am a Wimp."


Igs, that is what has scared me all along, that these nitwits will try to blame the family and press for obstruction of justice, in order to sue the family and the USA for monies lost during the boycott and fallout.  They are a socialist/communist third-world country and do not know what democracy and freedom of press and freedom of speech means.  They probably think their government-run newspaper, Aruba Today/Bon Dia and all these criminal rags give voice to the dictatorship on Crime Island.
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2007, 05:54:43 PM »

Posted by Kienstail at RU.  Anyone have a clue?

Kienstail Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:47 pm   

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This person has posted some rather cryptic stuff in the past.
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2007, 05:55:52 PM »

JQK: Not very optimistic...

JQK on Greta Tuesday:  "KELLY: I think it's clearly over. As I said, when you don't have enough evidence to even hold the primary suspects for further interrogation, you certainly don't have enough to hold them until trial, and you certainly don't have enough to try them and/or convict them. It's pretty simple. And I said that directly to Hans Mos at the end of our meeting Saturday. It's — you know, it's pretty easy..."

Thanks, Tamikosmom for posting this link.  I hadn't seen this transript from Tuesday's (12/4) GVS show.

I'm sure many of you discussed this from last nite.  Kelly is one of the best lawyers money can buy.  His assessment is really discouraging.

Frankly, I find it "unbelievable" that the Aruban and Dutch authorities would do this, at this point in the case.  It's actually amazing.  And damning.

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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2007, 05:58:21 PM »

Posted by Kienstail at RU.  Anyone have a clue?

Kienstail Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:47 pm   

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This person has posted some rather cryptic stuff in the past.

 I don't recall this person. Thats just me though.  I have not had time to read there lately.
Looks to be some type of cooridinates <sp? > perhaps??   
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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2007, 06:02:36 PM »

Joran's Detention: 8+8

klaas writes: "...Joran was already detained for 8+8 based on the current information..."

Hi klaas!

Do you know what the chronology was for joran's detention?  Was there a seperate hearing, after his initial 8 day detention?  And during that hearing he was slapped with an additional 8 days?

Or was he just nailed with 8+8?

The longer detention time suggests that whatever is in joran's case file which relates to his own criminal acts, is stronger than the kalpoe case file relating to their criminal acts.

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Hammer ... that is the way we all felt back on July 3, 2005 when Deepak and Satish Kalpoe were released from detention and ... Joran was held for for another two months and ... then ultimately released without restriction ... not forced to be available for questioning.

Been there ... done that!

I do believe that I will just quietly wait and see.  Tamikosmom is done speculating in regards to how the prosecutors define sufficient evidence.

As in the past ... the defence attorneys are the ones who have gone it right.  In the recent happenings ... the defence attorneys have got it right again ... the Kalpoes were released and ... the appeal's process was in vain.

.... but Tamikosmom is not speculating.  The roller coaster ride she keeps getting on of her own free will is beginning to take its toll.  For her emotional well being ... she has temporarily  disembarked.  Wink 

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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2007, 06:19:02 PM »

#1  The decision today in the K2 case was expected

#2  Why didn't Joran's attorneys appeal to have him released immediately like they said they would.  Or did they appeal and was it denied?

#3  Tomorrow, the prosecutor must show more evidence to hold Joran for 60 days.

sure wish I knew the answers to 2 and 3.......I sure hope Mos was sandbagging Beth, Dave and JQK....there's a tiny bit of hope that he did....that he felt it wasn 't in his best imterest to reveal what he had...I realize it seems a bit far fetched right now...but it's still a glimmer of hope.....
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2007, 06:20:48 PM »

Posted by Kienstail at RU.  Anyone have a clue?

Kienstail Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:47 pm   

50 h 1 p 1 m 

This person has posted some rather cryptic stuff in the past.

 Shocked Shocked  i don't go over there...but I don't recall ever hearing anything about this person....Klaas....what's your take on this????
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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2007, 06:22:58 PM »

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Date December 5, 2007
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Denial of pretrial detention of S.K. and D.K. in the case of Natalee Holloway upheld by Court of Appeal

Today, December 5th, 2007, the Court of Appeal for the Dutch Antilles and Aruba upheld the decision of the judge of instruction not to order pretrial detention of the brothers S.K. and D.K. Last Monday the Public Prosecutor had lodged an appeal against the judge’s decision of Friday, November 30th. Yesterday the appeal was heard by the Court in camera. The S.K. and D.K. brothers appeared at the hearing, assisted by a number of lawyers. The hearing took two hours. During the hearing the acting Attorney-General presented the objections of the Public Prosecutions office against the denial decision of the judge of instruction. The lawyers of the suspects presented their views. At the closing of the hearing the Court announced the Court’s decision for today.

In its essence the reasoning of the Court reads as follows: notwithstanding an extensive and lengthy investigation the case file against the brothers S.K. and D.K. does not contain direct indications that Natalee Holloway has died as a result of a violent crime against her. Equally the case file does not contain direct indications of the suspects’ involvement in a violent crime against Natalee. Also taking into account the actual phase of the investigation - 2_ years after her being missing – the Court does not see sufficient facts and circumstances substantiating serious grounds for the suspicion of the suspects’ involvement in the crimes for which pre-trial detention has been requested by the Public Prosecutor (which is manslaughter or battery/assault causing death).

This judgment of the Court is the final judgment on the pretrial detention issue of the brothers S.K. and D.K. : the law does not provide for further appeals. In itself the decision does not preclude further investigation and prosecution.

The investigation is being continued by the police under the authority of the Public Prosecutor.

The hearing for the pretrial detention of J.v.d.S. will be held Thursday December 6th..

For more information, you can call: (00 297) 592 8481 (between 08.00 a.m. and 06.00 p.m.; during the weekend between 09.00 and 11.00 a.m.)



This decision actually lies in the line of expectations. I still believe that the K2 are either completely innocent or they played a 'minor' role in the events. Maybe they have just been brought in, to squeeze out the last bit of info against Joran. After studying this case for a while now, my thoughts had converged to models where the K2 were more or less innocent and Joran was the one who knew what really happened to her (at the beach or in the crack house). As long as he keeps quiet during the interrogations and the 'direct' evidence is weak, there's a huge risk that this game of putting them all under pressure for the last time, will completely fail. If the judge also rules tomorrow that there is no direct evidence that Joran was involved in a crime, then there's no reason for a trial.

If Joran stays detained e.g. based on a new witness statement or a wiretapped conversation, then there's hope. Tomorrow is therefore a crucial day and the judge's decision will reveal a lot about how strong the 'new' evidence is...
 
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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2007, 06:24:28 PM »

Posted by Kienstail at RU.  Anyone have a clue?

Kienstail Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:47 pm   

50 h 1 p 1 m 

This person has posted some rather cryptic stuff in the past.

 Shocked Shocked  i don't go over there...but I don't recall ever hearing anything about this person....Klaas....what's your take on this????

They have only made about 18 posts at RU and the posts are often odd.  This one was made in an older thread he/she bumped up.  The title of the thread is "So, is this over?"

I have no idea what to think.
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« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2007, 06:27:25 PM »

I think Joe T. said he was going down to Aruba Monday, then he changed it to Wednesday.  If you read the order of denying visits with Joran one item was NO he could not have a visit from another lawyer.  So my guess is Joe T. was slapped down by Aruba on that one. Nice try but did not fly Laughing Laughing Laughing
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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2007, 06:34:21 PM »

Posted by Kienstail at RU.  Anyone have a clue?

Kienstail Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:47 pm   

50 h 1 p 1 m 

This person has posted some rather cryptic stuff in the past.

 Shocked Shocked  i don't go over there...but I don't recall ever hearing anything about this person....Klaas....what's your take on this????

They have only made about 18 posts at RU and the posts are often odd.  This one was made in an older thread he/she bumped up.  The title of the thread is "So, is this over?"

I have no idea what to think.
Probably another dipshit IMO...  Dipshits coming out of the woodpile.   Mad
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« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2007, 06:35:19 PM »

Posted by Kienstail at RU.  Anyone have a clue?

Kienstail Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:47 pm   

50 h 1 p 1 m 

This person has posted some rather cryptic stuff in the past.

 Shocked Shocked  i don't go over there...but I don't recall ever hearing anything about this person....Klaas....what's your take on this????

They have only made about 18 posts at RU and the posts are often odd.  This one was made in an older thread he/she bumped up.  The title of the thread is "So, is this over?"

I have no idea what to think.

is it a license plate number?
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« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2007, 06:35:55 PM »

Posted by Kienstail at RU.  Anyone have a clue?

Kienstail Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:47 pm   

50 h 1 p 1 m 

This person has posted some rather cryptic stuff in the past.

 Shocked Shocked  i don't go over there...but I don't recall ever hearing anything about this person....Klaas....what's your take on this????

They have only made about 18 posts at RU and the posts are often odd.  This one was made in an older thread he/she bumped up.  The title of the thread is "So, is this over?"

I have no idea what to think.

OK, this is even weirder.  He/she has now edited their post:

Kienstail Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:47 pm   

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-edit: spjorma

-edit: plemniki??
-edit: rimpaal!

-edit: same IP

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« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2007, 06:36:13 PM »

Posted by Kienstail at RU.  Anyone have a clue?

Kienstail Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:47 pm   

50 h 1 p 1 m 

This person has posted some rather cryptic stuff in the past.

 Shocked Shocked  i don't go over there...but I don't recall ever hearing anything about this person....Klaas....what's your take on this????

They have only made about 18 posts at RU and the posts are often odd.  This one was made in an older thread he/she bumped up.  The title of the thread is "So, is this over?"

I have no idea what to think.
Probably another dipshit IMO...  Dipshits coming out of the woodpile.   Mad

yer right about that  Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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