Natalee Case Discussion #702 12/7 - 12/8/2007

[MumInOhio]

Can someone please post the link for the discovery/log timeline for me please. TIA.

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm

Oh Thank You Nut44x4

….. could some Monkeys please go and have a look at the entries for Karen Martina 23 June 2005 and Carmen Jacopucci on June 28th 2005. Does anyone notice anything?

[Getagrip]

According to Chief Prosecutor Mos
Regrettably the suspects kept their mouths shut for 2 weeks despite the fact that some of them had promised they would talk
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2007/12/according-to-chief-prosecutor-mos.html
DIARIO Aruba
12/08/2007

ORANJESTAD(AAN): After the decision came down on Friday that one of the 3 suspects in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Joran van der Sloot, went free, the press interviewed Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos and asked him about his thoughts now that all 3 suspects have regained their freedom.

Prosecutor Mos said that the Public Ministry expected this. He said that after the Hof took the decision to let the Kalpoe brothers go, he felt that J.S. would also be set free. The press asked mr. Mos if the O.M. will appeal and he said no.

He explained that the Hof was very clear in its last verdicts in regards to the detention of the Kalpoes and van der Sloot. Another appeal would not accomplish anything. The press asked the prosecutor if the renewed detention of the 3 suspects was a last attempt to be able to abide by the deadline at the end of December to be able to bring a case against them.

According to Mos, it was the Public Ministry which set itself the December 31 deadline, because the suspects also have to know where they stand.

The detentions came down again, because they noted that the suspects were free and there was much investigative material that they had not confronted with. If they would have been invited, perhaps they would not have come to give a statement [voluntarily].

The Public Ministry found that the evidence material was so important that they had to confront them with this. What was salient, according to Mos, was that the 3 suspects kept their mouths shut during 2 weeks, despite the fact that some of them had said that they would relate exactly what happened.

Given that they didn’t talk, the judge got to the point where he had doubts that their detention was still relevant. Mos is 'fastioso' [annoyed?] on behalf of Natalee’s parents because they want to know what happened to their daughter and is also 'fastioso' [annoyed?] on behalf of the Public Ministry who wants to solve the case.

But the suspects made use of their right to remain silent. Mos continued to say that the Hof’s decisions are important for this case, because now they will evaluate what they will do, whether it be to prosecute the suspects or stop the case against them.

The press indicated that there is a big chance that the case will be stopped and Mos said that this is true, because they cannot prosecute people if there is not enough basis to do so. He said, however, that he will evaluate if there are other accusations upon which the suspects can be brought forth in a case.

[translated by Getagrip]

[2NJSons_Mom]

Can someone please post the link for the discovery/log timeline for me please. TIA.

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm

Oh Thank You Nut44x4

….. could some Monkeys please go and have a look at the entries for Karen Martina 23 June 2005 and Carmen Jacopucci on June 28th 2005. Does anyone notice anything?

Mum, can't open that link without IE bombing out....may be a memory thing because I used to be able to open it....

[2NJSons_Mom]

Can someone please post the link for the discovery/log timeline for me please. TIA.

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm

Oh Thank You Nut44x4

….. could some Monkeys please go and have a look at the entries for Karen Martina 23 June 2005 and Carmen Jacopucci on June 28th 2005. Does anyone notice anything?

Looked at files in Important Case Documents....both are friends of VDS & Arambatsiz & Dennis Jacobs interrogating.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Can someone please post the link for the discovery/log timeline for me please. TIA.

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm

Oh Thank You Nut44x4

….. could some Monkeys please go and have a look at the entries for Karen Martina 23 June 2005 and Carmen Jacopucci on June 28th 2005. Does anyone notice anything?

Looked at files in Important Case Documents....both are friends of VDS & Arambatsiz & Dennis Jacobs interrogating.

Karen's followed Guido Wever's & Carmen's followed Lorenzo Van Rijn.

[MumInOhio]

Can someone please post the link for the discovery/log timeline for me please. TIA.

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm

Oh Thank You Nut44x4

….. could some Monkeys please go and have a look at the entries for Karen Martina 23 June 2005 and Carmen Jacopucci on June 28th 2005. Does anyone notice anything?

Mum, can't open that link without IE bombing out....may be a memory thing because I used to be able to open it....

Thanks for trying! I always went to the one Grande did until Klaas posted that one and noticed something. This one has more entries. Wanted to see if anyone else did.

[klaasend]

Carmen:

JACOPUCCI, Carmen Aurora   - “ And she works in the Hospital and at the moment is Freddy's girlfriend.” (june 2005, statememnt by Joran)





Karen:

MARTINA, Karen Theresa Paulina   – Allegedly was in porn video taped by Freddy.  Joran admits to having sex with her multiple times.  Was named by JQK as a date rape victim of Joran, but Tacopina claims she has said it was consensual.

[Nut44x4]

Can someone please post the link for the discovery/log timeline for me please. TIA.

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm

Oh Thank You Nut44x4

….. could some Monkeys please go and have a look at the entries for Karen Martina 23 June 2005 and Carmen Jacopucci on June 28th 2005. Does anyone notice anything?

 

"Friend of V/D sloots & Arambatzis' "  ?? Is this what you mean? Friends of Freddy and sloots? We knew that. I am cornfuzed?...no?

[MumInOhio]

Can someone please post the link for the discovery/log timeline for me please. TIA.

http://homepage.mac.com/mcgraw.kalpoe.docs/Statements_timeline.htm

Oh Thank You Nut44x4

….. could some Monkeys please go and have a look at the entries for Karen Martina 23 June 2005 and Carmen Jacopucci on June 28th 2005. Does anyone notice anything?

Looked at files in Important Case Documents....both are friends of VDS & Arambatsiz & Dennis Jacobs interrogating.

The way its listed. Before Freddy was a friend of Joran's and in these two listings someone is a friend of him and Joran. It's different - like Freddy is also a suspect at that time.

Name: Karen Martina
Date: 23 June 2005113:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs / Juan Boezem
Description: witness statement by a friend of Van der Sloot and Arrambatzis


Name: Carmen Aurora Jacopucci
Date: 28 June 2005 / 15:55
Pages: 6
Writer/Initiator: Dennis Jacobs /Marcelino Ras
Description: witness statement by a fried of Van der Sloot and Araambatzis

[Destiny]

CBB....Email addy PLEASE..

Thank You!

Destiny

[Destiny]

CBB...You can email me :

destinyone@alltel.net

Thanks!

[MumInOhio]

OK...give it another shot...why doesn't it just say friend of Joran..if you look at other associations in there like 'Croes...friend of Deepak.'     'Koen...friend of Joran.'
Why is Freddy in listed there?

Even if they are his friends, he's only a witness himself.

[klaasend]

Posted at RU 

prolific Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:07 am   
First from Jenna.. now this..

From BFN:

Eddie
Full Member


« Reply #552 on: December 07, 2007, 08:34:40 PM »

I was asked to post this:
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NOT READY FOR PUBLICATION:


Joran Van Der Sloot was released today from detainment by Arubian prosecutors in the case of missing Alabama teen, Natalee Holloway. Mr. Mos, the new Arubian head prosecutor, initiated a decision to have Joran Van Der Sloot, along with brothers Satish and Deepak Kalpoe taken into custody earlier this month based on new information. All three were shortly released of detention for lack of evidence.

Upon Joran Van Der Sloot’s release this Friday from Arubian authorities, sources well implanted into the case state that main suspect, Sloot will be traveling to the United States with his new manager by his side, Julia Renfro. Mrs. Renfro is known for her editing job at the newspaper “Aruba Today” which is circulated on Aruba as the only English speaking newspaper on the island and is heavily marketed to American tourist. Aruba Today has come under criticism by some American visitors to Aruba for the paper’s advertisements of prostitution.

Couples with children have complained on Internet Travel Sites stating pornography should not be a part of the “Aruban” family experience at “major brands” hotels in which the young families were staying at and where “Aruba Today” was delivered every morning to the door of their hotel rooms.

Renfro has also been active as an internet blogger and as a pro defense proponent for the Sloot family in the case of missing student Natalee Holloway who was last seen in 2005 with Joran van Der Sloot and brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe from Suriname.

Under the moniker, “Glenda“, Julia has maintained the innocence of Joran Van Der Sloot of any criminal behavior on the small island of Aruba. Mrs. Renfro has made statements of decisions made by Arubian officials before the Officials have publicly announced any progress or decisions in the famous case. It appears Mrs. Renfro has excellent sources within the Arubian government which allows her to have access to privileged information and documents which is the struggle and wish of many reporters worldwide.

It is also rumored that Mrs. Renfro was an early aly of Beth Holloway Twitty in the search for Natalee. On internet blog sites, the moniker of “Glenda” has displayed incorrect personal information about Beth Holloway and her daughter Natalee. It is also rumored that “Glenda” aka: Julia Renfro was involved to set in action propaganda in favor of Arubian tourism at any costs.

Arriving Sunday in New York will be Mrs. Renfro and Joran Van Der Sloot for an interview with an unconfirmed FNC correspondent. After the interview on FNC both Julia and Joran will be heading for Los Angeles for a meeting with a ‘Made For TV’ documentary with John Babbitt’s writer, and producer of adult films , who is currently on strike.
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Hmmmm now where would something like this be coming from... 

[Frank]

Kudos to Bill O’Reilly who made the statement on his show tonight—
‘Arubans are so amazingly inept, it is staggering”

Why kudos to Bill O'Reilly? He got it wrong. They are not inept, they are corrupt. In their mind they succeeded in covering up an obvious crime, a simple crime, they are not inept if you consider they work for the defense of the suspects and against Natalee.

NO body, no overdose.

[Getagrip]

Diario raging againt the government here...take into account that they are against the current government.

Political Analysis
More harm again

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Tourism is the most important lifeblood of our economy and it is incredible that neither our governors nor our private sector have reacted as they must. Our Public Ministry has become a total farce and a laughing stock nationally and internationally.

However, the latest actions of the Public Ministry  has done immense harm to the economy of Aruba. All of the American press and a few from other countries are in Aruba again and nothing can be done to turn a negative development into a positive one. On the contrary, advertisements say that still Aruba is not feeling the negative effects of the latest blunder of the Public Ministry, supported by a Minister of Justice who still doesn’t know where his face is.

The truth is that by the extraordinary efforts from the hotels themselves, tourism stopped going down compared to the recent past. But now that the verdicts of the judge-commissioner saying that the Public Ministry did not have any footing for the recent detention of the three young men, the negative effects will hit Aruba’s economy hard again. It is more than clear that the government does not have any plan to try to minimize these negative effects.

Again, our governors are with their arms crossed from the recent events without having any idea of what to do about it. Apparently the private sector doesn’t seem to be prepared either to do the maximum so that the actions of the government (Public Ministry) of Aruba in this case do not cause great harm again. Once again, we have to emphasize that it is impossible to understand how the government is not using the situation when so many foreign reporters are in Aruba to invite them to give the positive side of Aruba instead of letting them on their own and decide what they will write and talk about Aruba.

Aruba’s name is under great pressure again because of the impotence of our presiding minister who is traveling to India with people not being able to understand what he could be doing there that is more important than the name of our island.

His travels would be understandable if he left behind a team of capable and well-prepared people to deal with the difficult situation we have here. But this is not the case. There is no team which is in charge to tend to the bad propaganda that we will have in these days. This illustrates the mentality if the MEP government in what regards the future of our country.

The interest of the ministers is only to only look after their own interests and those of their family and friends. In all senses, we are confronted with the phenomenon of a total lack of interest in the important issues for the development of our economy on behalf of the current government. It can’t be this way that under these circumstances the presiding minister is on a snoepreisje [?] and given what’s happening he doesn’t show any interest in what he has to do as presiding minister.

Our minister of tourism hasn’t come out with something to avoid harm to our country either. On various occasions we brought forth that the minister of tourism cannot help because of tourism, he knows nothing. What he must be in charge of is a lack of general management based on the expertise of professionals.

And while it is known that tourism is not his specialty and given how much expertise there must be to look after tourism in a professional manner, he has to look for people who know of this matter. He hasn’t done this. Now we are looking at the consequences of the lack of good management. The negative effects of the bad management will be felt by our people who have already had great difficulty living under the pressure of the unjust measures that our government has taken.

This is the mentality of the government that the ministers don’t look at the problem because when things are going badly and they don’t have enough money for the government, they have no problems in taking measures to make the people pay for the bad management.

In these past days we are observing how tourism is doing but also we are observing again all sectors in our community are living in silence in fear that the government will get angry at them. Bad government from the people who can only look after themselves and do not take the interests of our people to heart.

[Tamikosmom]

According to Chief Prosecutor Mos
Regrettably the suspects kept their mouths shut for 2 weeks despite the fact that some of them had promised they would talk
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2007/12/according-to-chief-prosecutor-mos.html
DIARIO Aruba
12/08/2007

ORANJESTAD(AAN): After the decision came down on Friday that one of the 3 suspects in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Joran van der Sloot, went free, the press interviewed Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos and asked him about his thoughts now that all 3 suspects have regained their freedom.

Prosecutor Mos said that the Public Ministry expected this. He said that after the Hof took the decision to let the Kalpoe brothers go, he felt that J.S. would also be set free. The press asked mr. Mos if the O.M. will appeal and he said no.

He explained that the Hof was very clear in its last verdicts in regards to the detention of the Kalpoes and van der Sloot. Another appeal would not accomplish anything. The press asked the prosecutor if the renewed detention of the 3 suspects was a last attempt to be able to abide by the deadline at the end of December to be able to bring a case against them.

According to Mos, it was the Public Ministry which set itself the December 31 deadline, because the suspects also have to know where they stand.

The detentions came down again, because they noted that the suspects were free and there was much investigative material that they had not confronted with. If they would have been invited, perhaps they would not have come to give a statement [voluntarily].

The Public Ministry found that the evidence material was so important that they had to confront them with this. What was salient, according to Mos, was that the 3 suspects kept their mouths shut during 2 weeks, despite the fact that some of them had said that they would relate exactly what happened.

Given that they didn’t talk, the judge got to the point where he had doubts that their detention was still relevant. Mos is 'fastioso' [annoyed?] on behalf of Natalee’s parents because they want to know what happened to their daughter and is also 'fastioso' [annoyed?] on behalf of the Public Ministry who wants to solve the case.

But the suspects made use of their right to remain silent. Mos continued to say that the Hof’s decisions are important for this case, because now they will evaluate what they will do, whether it be to prosecute the suspects or stop the case against them.

The press indicated that there is a big chance that the case will be stopped and Mos said that this is true, because they cannot prosecute people if there is not enough basis to do so. He said, however, that he will evaluate if there are other accusations upon which the suspects can be brought forth in a case.

[translated by Getagrip]

Thank you Getagrip.

I cannot understand why Hans Mos just did not remain silent following the rearrests of Joran, Deepak and Satish.  Instead ... as a frustrated John Q. Kelly said in his interview with Greta ... the American people ... the family of Natalee Holloway ... were misled.

According to Hans Mos the "new" evidence" was a done deal was far as both prosecutors and ten attorneys were concerned.

Thanks again Getagrip.  Your translations of Jossy's articles are appreciated.

Janet

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http://sendtofriend.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=3912737

Hans Mos
ABC NEWS
November 26, 2007

Hans Mos, Aruba's chief prosecutor, told ABC News he believes the the new evidence makes the case against the three men stronger than it was two years.

"We are convinced if we had had this evidence we have now they would not have been released by the court at that time," Mos said.

[klaasend]

Thanks Getagrip!

[Nut44x4]

OK...give it another shot...why doesn't it just say friend of Joran..if you look at other associations in there like 'Croes...friend of Deepak.'     'Koen...friend of Joran.'
Why is Freddy in listed there?

Even if they are his friends, he's only a witness himself.

WOW.......NICE CATCH MUM!!! I get it now!!! Mmmmmmmmmmmmm...very interesting. Wonder if Freddy is the 5th...and no one knew?

[Nut44x4]

prolific Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:07 am   
First from Jenna.. now this..
From BFN:
Eddie
Full Member
« Reply #552 on: December 07, 2007, 08:34:40 PM »
I was asked to post this:
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NOT READY FOR PUBLICATION: snipped from Klaas's post

KLAAS.....

[Pita]

2NJ,

It is my understanding that Witt has been elevated to that regional Caribbean Court, sort of like our state Superior Court and will not be participating at the lower levels any more.

I guess this was his reward for preventing justice in the obstruction of the search at the Sloots.

But unless there is an appeal of sort sort, I don't think he would be involved at all any more.  It pays to be a team player in that region is my opinion of his promotion.  Sure can't be competency or integrity. 

Anna, Justice Wit was appointed to the Caribbean Court of Justice on June 1, 2005.

snipped...

The Honourable Mr. Justice Jacob Wit took the Oath of Office as a Judge of the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) at The President's House Port of Spain, on Wednesday 1 June 2005. The oath was administered by His Excellency Professor George Maxwell Richards, President of the Republic of Trinidad & Tobago.

http://www.caribbeancourtofjustice.org/judges_pages/wit.html