Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8 - 12/11//2007

[dennisintn]

I am sitting here thinking about that Forensic guy that was with Joe T.  I wonder if Joe is going to say Natalee was never at the Sloots I even took my own forensic team to conduct tests at the Sloot Main House.

i like the quote where he can't see enough time for j2k to hide natalee and clean up all the evidence in the timeline.  therefore he concludes that the 3 of them are innocent of anything.  which one of the l0 days they had did they not have time to do all that needed to be done themselves or to find other people to do it?  plus, i know this isn't pc but, who helped him find the exit door on the plane?
dennisintn

[San]

I am sitting here thinking about that Forensic guy that was with Joe T.  I wonder if Joe is going to say Natalee was never at the Sloots I even took my own forensic team to conduct tests at the Sloot Main House.

i like the quote where he can't see enough time for j2k to hide natalee and clean up all the evidence in the timeline.  therefore he concludes that the 3 of them are innocent of anything.  which one of the l0 days they had did they not have time to do all that needed to be done themselves or to find other people to do it?  plus, i know this isn't pc but, who helped him find the exit door on the plane?
dennisintn

He is such a fool.

[crazybabyborg]

I am sitting here thinking about that Forensic guy that was with Joe T.  I wonder if Joe is going to say Natalee was never at the Sloots I even took my own forensic team to conduct tests at the Sloot Main House.

I would think that the forensic guy is there to dispute anything Mos might have produced in conjunction with what he was touting he had. He clearly said that he could prove Natalee was dead, so maybe Taco thought the arm had been re-examined, or the car seats had been re-tested and blood was found, etc. Wouldn't that have been nice?

OE! Glad you're here! Anything at all you could post for us would be just great and much appreciated!
BTW: You caused me to do some reading last night! You brought to my mind the 10 lepers healed, and only one turned to see the source of the miracle and give praise. "Where are the Nine" was the question. 

[Anna]

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35. Incitements to violence.

36. Any other act for which extradition may be granted in accordance with the laws [*29] of both Contracting Parties.

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tm, i think that covers every crime possible except for "runs with scissors" and "playing with matches", but i'll bet there's an aruban law to keep the f.b.i. out or to have access to any of the files, even as incomplete as they are.
dennisintn

Yes but it also says that those to be extradited must have been charged and convicted previously.  And it is a violation of the Dutch Constitution to extradite someone of Dutch nationality.

See:

Article 8 deals with the extradition of nationals. It contains two provisions similar to those included in some of our other recently signed extradition treaties. It grants the Executive Authority the discretionary power to extradite its own nationals. If extradition is denied on the basis of nationality, the requested Party undertakes to submit the case to its competent authorities for the purpose of prosecution, provided that Party has jurisdiction over the offense. This article thus takes into account the law of the Netherlands ordinarily prohibiting the extradition of Dutch nationals but allowing for their prosecution in the Netherlands for offenses committed abroad.
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The Dutch do not extradite Dutch Nationals.  It is against their Constitution.

Therefore, any Dutch citizen is always going to be going before one of those famous Dutch judges who never met a suspect they didn't like.

Now isn't THAT special!

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[oceanexploration]

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[Observer]

You know all this is VERY strange.  On Greta's last week Joe T told her who the judge would be in this case before he even went to Aruba.  The papers would not even report who the judge was, they kept it secret.  How and why did Joe get this information unless someone (the judge maybe) told them ahead of time.  I thought it could have been any judge selected to oversee this.

Thats what Rammstein wants you to believe. That it's completely random and unbiased and no one knows which judge it will be. It was the same corrupt Judge as back in 2005 Rick Smid. The whole Mos thing was a complete sham and was in totally inline with this ridiculous outrageous cover up. I seriously doubt he did a complete 180 after seeing how corrupt the defense and the Arubans are..They have had this case since Aug 2006 and had ample opportunity to expose the dirtbags that destroyed evidence,changed statements,intimdated witnesses and killed the investigation. It's quite telling if he closes this case without even going for the lesser charges or letting this all play out in front of a judge. The Van Der Sloots werent worried and even Renho messed up the cover up memo when she reported Joran would be released a day early.

[oceanexploration]

Crazybabyborg...
I was asked last night:
"Do I believe in Miracles and are we expecting one?"
This was my reply:
I say this with absolute conviction... I do not have enough faith to be an atheist in times like this.  It is examples such as these that remind humanity that people still go out of their way for others. About 2000 years ago there was the perfect example of a loving sacrifice.  So do I expect a miracle?  Perhaps a better question is... what are our expectations of that miracle?

[Blue Moon]

You know all this is VERY strange.  On Greta's last week Joe T told her who the judge would be in this case before he even went to Aruba.  The papers would not even report who the judge was, they kept it secret.  How and why did Joe get this information unless someone (the judge maybe) told them ahead of time.  I thought it could have been any judge selected to oversee this.

Thats what Rammstein wants you to believe. That it's completely random and unbiased and no one knows which judge it will be. It was the same corrupt Judge as back in 2005 Rick Smid. The whole Mos thing was a complete sham and was in totally inline with this ridiculous outrageous cover up. I seriously doubt he did a complete 180 after seeing how corrupt the defense and the Arubans are..They have had this case since Aug 2006 and had ample opportunity to expose the dirtbags that destroyed evidence,changed statements,intimdated witnesses and killed the investigation. It's quite telling if he closes this case without even going for the lesser charges or letting this all play out in front of a judge. Its all a SHAM

My point is WHY did Joe T. have to know this and announce it on T.V.?  Was this judge in someone's pocket from the get-go?  Wonder what kind of cases the judge has done in the past?  Wonder what his track record is?  I said this on BFN one time-Paulus and a couple of the judge's need to be looked into.  Something is fishy big time and Joe T. (MO) is involved in this from day 1.  Is it drugs, cartels, the mob or all the above (I am just thinking out loud and only my opinion on this).

[robots]

people like the ones in this fiasco..... are not human

patience.... is not easy

soon enough - someone is going to talk because joran or paulus will tick someone off

and more than likely it will be the K2 brothers that talk

hang tight 

[nonesuche]

Crazybabyborg...
I was asked last night:
"Do I believe in Miracles and are we expecting one?"
This was my reply:
I say this with absolute conviction... I do not have enough faith to be an atheist in times like this.  It is examples such as these that remind humanity that people still go out of their way for others. About 2000 years ago there was the perfect example of a loving sacrifice.  So do I expect a miracle?  Perhaps a better question is... what are our expectations of that miracle?

Thank you so much for all you are contributing to the quest for Natalee, but also 'educating' us about your techniques and tools. I googled you too but not to find photos, but discovered while even in college you were involved at Woods Hole, what a fascinating career you have had.

Welcome - we appreciate the opportunity to share this journey with you.

[Observer]

My point is WHY did Joe T. have to know this and announce it on T.V.?  Was this judge in someone's pocket from the get-go?  Wonder what kind of cases the judge has done in the past?  Wonder what his track record is?  I said this on BFN one time-Paulus and a couple of the judge's need to be looked into.  Something is fishy big time and Joe T. (MO) is involved in this from day 1.  Is it drugs, cartels, the mob or all the above (I am just thinking out loud and only my opinion on this).

All the above is what runs Aruba. Just seems to me that it is the American Mob that is involved here with connections to Posner. Not sure if that is because who is involved from Aruba or because the victim was American. I can see it both ways who is financing all of this(Posner,Cartel or Aruban Govt). Certainly would be easy for the Aruban Govt to launder up some dirty drug money. One deicent size cocaine bust would cover all of this.

[AZLady]

Michael Archer has several documents in the Dutchess County, NY, Document Search at http://www.co.dutchess.ny.us/CountyGov/Departments/CountyClerk/12976.htm .  Most recently, he has been a defendent in a lawsuit brought by the Hudson Valley FCU (Federal Credit Union) for $35,000.  Odd that I can't find him employed by Dutchess County, though, as the wiki article states.  From a researcher's standpoint, wiki is crap, pure crap.

[Observer]

Hi everyone! Not much to report for the update today.  Weather is still bad and is making the go slow.  The Persistence will persist and plug through though!  She has a job to do and she and the crew will get there to do the job! 

Thanks for the prayers! Please continue them until we bring Natalee home.

[nonesuche]

Anna - the Harpo reference made me tear up with laughter, thanks for that one 

I don't know if Private Eye is reading tonight but Klaas and some others of us had copious discussion regarding the uncanny likeness of Paulus at the gaming table that night next to Natalee. Ultimately we relied heavily close-up's Klaas made of the hairline, the arms, even the watch. Knowing Klaas I am sure she's got those in her photobucket.

Other points to ponder are this, let's suppose for now that Paulus was involved, that perhaps Joran and Daddy-O were misbehaving while mommy harpo was away? It would not be the first time a father/son or even mother/daughter team have preyed upon others for sexual excapades or even debauchery.

The scale of this cover-up is one element I've never been able to satisfy was generated to protect even the dutch son of a judge, it's too large and too wide and too tight to be just for Joran. I've always felt that implied that either larger people in terms of stature were involved and were being protected, or events that transpire on that island that are part of their 'underworld' are what's being protected.

If you do have an underworld, who better than the mob lawyer extraordinaire Joe T to help you cover it up?

Makes sense me, always has.......as Mrs often says water seeks it's own level, indeed the Sloots and Joe T personify that.

[AZLady]

If you want to write to Michael Archer, his address is
Archer Michael E Po Box 28 Fishkill Ny

He lives at the Commons At Fishkill Condo Unit 902D.

[Helen Back]

I can't even find anything about New York Forensics, Inc., in Fishkill, New York., where Michale Archer is the chief forensic examiner.  I'm coming up pretty empty on this.

[AZLady]

My opinion--Archer is a local flunkie that Joe Taco picked up to take to Aruba with him to pose as an expert.  None of his credentials check out and his wiki entry is newly made, most likely by the Renho herself.

[AZSunny]

My opinion--Archer is a local flunkie that Joe Taco picked up to take to Aruba with him to pose as an expert.  None of his credentials check out and his wiki entry is newly made, most likely by the Renho herself.

Is there a way to ask Dr. Baden about him? 

[Buckeye]

My opinion--Archer is a local flunkie that Joe Taco picked up to take to Aruba with him to pose as an expert.  None of his credentials check out and his wiki entry is newly made, most likely by the Renho herself.

 

Boy, do I agree!!  Her ALE buddies are probably impressed as all get out with the guy.

[AZLady]

I'm not impressed with his fuzzy credentials, but the recent $35,000 judgement against him in court leads me to believe that he is in dire financial straits and not a successful professional.  Gee, I wonder if Tacky convinced him to go to Aruba and pretend to be a forensic pathologist just for the free trip or if he had to pay him, cash under the table, of course.