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« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2007, 06:51:08 PM »

So does everyone think that is Paulus next to Natalee at the casino? Have her friends been asked if that was him? Has he ever been asked if that was him?

  That has always been my question PI.  It sure looks like him to me, but could be confirmed by Natalee's friends, they were there, they saw and obviously talked to him.  Especially, due to the fact he has always denied it was him, a confirmation from them would seal it, and give more suspicion to Paulus being involved.
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« Reply #21 on: December 08, 2007, 06:54:32 PM »

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The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”
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« Reply #22 on: December 08, 2007, 06:55:49 PM »

Natalee looks happy as can be as her friend leans over to talk to her.

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« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2007, 06:56:16 PM »

Quote from: KarmaRoundUp on Today at 06:11:40 PM
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ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: Absolutely. Absolutely. There's a lot that Americans can do through the State Department. I want to remind everybody that Natalee Holloway was a U.S. citizen. Once the Aruban authorities are done investigating this case, the FBI can still conduct an investigation.

I would like to know,once and for all,IF this is true.
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I would like to know too.  I'm affraid if we ask 3 different people we'll get 3 different answers.
 
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The family of Natalee needs to put pressure on the US attorney in Birmingham to push the FBI to conduct an investigation after ALE close the case. We have a treaty that allows the FBI to pursue a violation of civil rights of an american citizen there.
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« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2007, 06:56:42 PM »



White shirt/tan pants



White shirt/white pants

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« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2007, 06:57:57 PM »

Klaas ... the dates in my post should be 2006.  Would you please do your thing.

I apologize.

Thank you.

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« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2007, 06:58:46 PM »

Klaas, it looks like he is even wearing his glasses.
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« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2007, 07:03:37 PM »

******* in that picture you can really tell it is Paulus.

Slumps his shoulders the same exact way.  Habits die hard.

mmmmmm........I was just thinking that...can we get som shoulder shots?? I will see what I have.
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« Reply #28 on: December 08, 2007, 07:03:45 PM »

I'm BACK! and I'm PRO!  Laughing Thanks, Klaas! I did it!
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« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2007, 07:05:22 PM »

Klaas, it looks like he is even wearing his glasses.

Yep.  I think he's wearing the white shirt/white pants, what do you think?
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« Reply #30 on: December 08, 2007, 07:06:17 PM »

I'm BACK! and I'm PRO!  Laughing Thanks, Klaas! I did it!

Yippee!  Thanks CBB, now you won't have that problem again!
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« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2007, 07:06:22 PM »

I found a tiny bit more of casino video at abc. It appears that Joran may be communicating with the man sitting next to Natalee and the girl next to him points to him afterwards. Then Joran turns and talks to her. Also I believe this confirms what we all thought and that is not Guido. No question once again in this short clip they are hiding the identity of that man next to Natalee. Many of the stills his eyes and other features are blacked out.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3922731&affil=wlne






In these pictures, look at Paulus' posture - slight tilt of chair toward Natalee and his arm is in a position that it would be easy for him to turn more easily toward Natalee than to face forward (face forward, most likely would have the arm toward the table more and elbow down toward his lap)
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« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2007, 07:07:32 PM »

Klaas, it looks like he is even wearing his glasses.


I see the glasses in the clearer shots too!
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« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2007, 07:10:27 PM »

Hate to leave now but I have to go to a birthday party, will be back later.  Keep working on it!

See you all later!
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« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2007, 07:11:10 PM »

Add this to the caption:

Superior Court
January, 2007

The possible involvement of Paulus with that could then be deducted from the file with the official reports of witnesses, amongst which two people suggested a contact existed between Paulus and Natalee Holloway the night of her disappearance, and a taped report (that was given by the Prosecutor in her final note 1 to the Court). The taped information and his declaration that he picked up Joran and Natalee by the McDonalds Palm Beach and brought them to the Holiday Inn, are clearly understood by the Dept. of Justice, and could in the judgement of this Superior Court, be considered as an indication of the involvement of Paulus in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.”

Frank ... I do believe that the "taped" report that the Superior Court referred to was the casino video recording that appears to be Natalee and Paulus in conversation at the Black Jack table.  I suspect that the casino tape as well Paulus' own declaration in front of witnesses on the morning of May 31, 2005 which implied that he picked up Joran and Natalee at McDonalds on the morning Natalee went missing ... are the reasons that the awarded compensation by a previous judge/court was reversed and ... Paulus' detention was deemed justified.

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« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2007, 07:12:10 PM »

Yes I think it is PVDS also. Body posture,Clothes and a uncanny resemblance especially his hair. Every frame I looked at where he was in plain view someone doctored his face. I find that very suspicious. Just like the other few seconds of video in the casino the man goes to town on his drink. Seems like it was strong by the way he puts his head down afterwards after the long drink.
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« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2007, 07:12:15 PM »

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ART WOOD, FORMER SECRET SERVICE AGENT: Absolutely. Absolutely. There's a lot that Americans can do through the State Department. I want to remind everybody that Natalee Holloway was a U.S. citizen. Once the Aruban authorities are done investigating this case, the FBI can still conduct an investigation.

I would like to know,once and for all,IF this is true.
Hi Monkeys

Klaas:
I would like to know too.  I'm affraid if we ask 3 different people we'll get 3 different answers.
 
Got stuck on the last thread.I hear you Klaas.
 


Art Wood
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July 2, 2006 - Part 1
July 8, 2006 - Part 2

http://sundaynightsatellite.libsyn.com/index.php?post_year=2006&post_month=07

Art:

The family of Natalee needs to put pressure on the US attorney in Birmingham to push the FBI to conduct an investigation after ALE close the case. We have a treaty that allows the FBI to pursue a violation of civil rights of an american citizen there.
Thanks Janet.
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« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2007, 07:13:01 PM »

Klaas, it looks like he is even wearing his glasses.

Yep.  I think he's wearing the white shirt/white pants, what do you think?

It looks like he is wearing the lite tan pans.
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« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2007, 07:13:18 PM »

Klaas ... the dates in my post should be 2006.  Would you please do your thing.

I apologize.

Thank you.

Janet

Klaas

Thank you and ... have fun at the birthday party.

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« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2007, 07:15:17 PM »

But despite all of the obvious circumstantial evidence, implied involvement, apparent and admitted lying by those with implied involvement, interrupted meltdowns where witnesses, US and Aruban have confirmed that Joran said something went wrong and she was buried by one of the brothers, the taped conversation of the boys in the police vehicle corroborating to a degree their involvement, there is nothing that constitutes evidence of a specific crime? And as Dompiq said, and being one who witnessed the meltdown, it is obvious to all that the boys are guilty as hell, we just don't know what specific crime and thus cannot prosecute them for anything.

Maybe Clinton isn't everyones favorite, and that is understandable, and I am sure there are other people just as educated, knowledgeable of law, world politics, international laws, and the tools available to affect justice in a case like this, it seems to me that unless someone like him adopts this cause, legal recourse against the boys is doubtful. I am not sure where I am going with this, but I think Beth and or her friends from Birmingham, should reach out to him, regardless of politics, for may a private consultation. Not because of his politics, but because of the knowledge he learned thru his experience in the White House, his total grasp of how the world functions and the brilliance with which God blessed him. Bush has done a lot of good, and is the kind of guy who would help if he could, and he is certainly brilliant in his on right, but it is a different kind of brilliance from Clinton. Of course, the elder Bush might have that kind of understanding due to his education and years of experience prior to and in the White House.

All I know is Beth needs someone with a vast understanding to help. Any other suggestions, names?
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