Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8 - 12/11//2007

[Anna]

I sent the photos to Red so he can forward to Beth and Jossy.  That's all we can do and hope that maybe Jossy or JQK make some noise about it.

Even if it's not Paulus, HA!, you'd think someone would have noticed and protested a bit what with all those crack, another HA!, investigators looking at all these things.

[Dihannah1]

Our only hope now lies with the search team finding her body. Our prayers need to concentrate on them now...

Yes it does Dihannah! Mrs. Red suggested that we do more than a 24 hour prayer vigil, and I'm certainly up for that! I think we may be waiting to see when the search starts.

Yes, and you know you can count me in! Need to pray for there safety right now

[Magnolia]

Maybe Freddie wasn't the photographer after all.

 

Your own father!

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Were charges ever filed against Freddie for the video with the underage
and unconscious girls?  Guess that is not a crime either.

[klaasend]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_37679.php

I'm not going to post the entire thing, just the last paragraph.  Now we know why someone leaked the false information about Joran flying to the USA.  It was to throw the American media off:


According to rumours in the media of of the ditch yesterday evening the plane to the United States will have taken. This made the journalists on from its presence on airport Reina Beatrix. Nothing is less where. Joran were there its American lawyer do escort. Joran remain provisionally still ordinary on Aruba.

[mishy]

Our only hope now lies with the search team finding her body. Our prayers need to concentrate on them now...

Yes it does Dihannah! Mrs. Red suggested that we do more than a 24 hour prayer vigil, and I'm certainly up for that! I think we may be waiting to see when the search starts.

Excellent idea...I'm up for it as well...

[crazybabyborg]

Goodnight guys! I'm fighting getting sick and am going to try to rest hoping to prevent or lessen the onset. Have a great night. Look at Helen's avatar often: it has the right sentiments, and remember there's a ship with BIG HEARTED, HONEST, ETHICAL, COMPETANT people headed to Aruba with bringing Natalee home on their minds! Godspeed and God Bless!

[Dihannah1]

Goodnight guys! I'm fighting getting sick and am going to try to rest hoping to prevent or lessen the onset. Have a great night. Look at Helen's avatar often: it has the right sentiments, and remember there's a ship with BIG HEARTED, HONEST, ETHICAL, COMPETANT people headed to Aruba with bringing Natalee home on their minds! Godspeed and God Bless!

Nite CBB!  Sweet dreams and hope you feel better!

[klaasend]

Nite CBB - hope you feel better.  Have some chicken soup!

[IBE]

Am pages behind in reading...

yes, Europeans wear their wedding bands on the right hand.

And count me in for the prayer vigil.

[klaasend]

Posted tonight at BFN:

Did anyone notice what DutchDad said:

Hans Mos : no surprise JvdS was realeased , he had expected this to happen.
But also he said : do not think it is over yet ,nothing changes for me, the investigation will continue , I do not give up.
And he stated : the Kalpoe's were to make a statement after their release. They did not show up. That tells me I'm on the right track.

It doesn't sound like it is over to me.

DutchDad, it helps if we can know where you get information that you post here from. Thanks.

[Helen Back]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_37679.php

I'm not going to post the entire thing, just the last paragraph.  Now we know why someone leaked the false information about Joran flying to the USA.  It was to throw the American media off:


According to rumours in the media of of the ditch yesterday evening the plane to the United States will have taken. This made the journalists on from its presence on airport Reina Beatrix. Nothing is less where. Joran were there its American lawyer do escort. Joran remain provisionally still ordinary on Aruba.

What a surprise!  It's an old, familiar routine.  Same one they played on Beth and Dave and friends when they were there looking for Natalee.  Very clever the old "bait and switch" and no one has it down better than ALE, RenHo, and the lost ones.

Truly, if Joran's not in jail, I don't give a rat's ass where he is.

[klaasend]

Posted at RU the Amigoe article translated:

iquitos Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:22 am   
Joran is not repeat not on his way to US

"In the US they would have offed me"

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_37679.php

‘In de VS zouden ze me afmaken’
8 Dec, 2007, 17:54 (GMT -04:00)

[picture] Joran, inmiddels geschoren, genietend van zijn vrijheid op weg naar de supermarkt.

Joran, shaven, enjoying his freedom on the way to the supermarket.

ORANJESTAD — Beide advocaten hadden verzekerd dat Joran van der Sloot na dagenlange, eenzame opsluiting absoluut geen woord met de media wilde wisselen. Vooral zijn ouders zijn uiteraard bezorgd. Een paar uur na zijn vrijlating is hij toch bereid om vrijdagmiddag een eerste reactie te geven als hij met zijn jongere broer door een stortbui terugloopt van een supermarkt in de regio Noord naar het ouderlijk huis een paar honderd meter verderop. In de supermarkt hadden mensen al gefluisterd: “Hij is terug”, “Wat staat hij door”, en “Het is zo’n aardige familie”. Van der Sloot reageert beleefd in het Papiaments als iemand hem iets vraagt. Bezorgd lijkt hij niet om de straat over te gaan. “In de Verenigde Staten zouden ze me wel afmaken, denk ik.”

Both lawyers assured that after days of solitary confinement he did not want to talk to the press. Is parents are particularly worried. A couple hours after his release he was prepared friday afternoon to give a first reaction as he walked back (in a shoving match?) from the supermarket in Noord to his family home. In the supermarket the people whispered "He is back! and it is such a nice family. Van der Sloot reacts politely in Papiamento if somebody asks him something. He does not seem worried to be on the street. "In the US they would off me, I think."

door Raul Henriquez

De 20-jarige jongen die nog steeds op de verdachtenlijst van Justitie staat, is duidelijk nog niet over het avontuur van de laatste dagen heen. Vijftien dagen heeft hij, voornamelijk geïsoleerd, vastgezeten. “Ik zat in een cel waar wel vijftien man in konden, maar ik zat alleen. Ik mocht een beetje voetballen en kreeg inderdaad de Bijbel. Liever had ik contact met anderen gehad.”

The 20 year old young man who is still on the suspect list is clearly not over his adventure of the last days. For 15 days he was isloated and confined. "I sat in a cell for 15 people, but alone. I could play a little football and had the bible. I would have preferred contact with others."


De verhoren met de rechercheurs vond hij zwaar. “Niet dat ze me constant lastigvielen, maar op vaste tijdstippen werd ik lang ondervraagd. Ik had gewoon niets tegen ze te zeggen, had alles ooit al gezegd en heb tot het laatste moment gezwegen.”


He found the questioning from the detectives hard (heavy). Not that they constantly bothered me, but on a regular schedule i was questioned for long periods. I had nothing to say to them and had already told them everything they asked and was silent until the end.

De aanhouding in zijn kamer in Arnhem was een complete verrassing. Joran van der Sloot was van plan naar Amsterdam te verhuizen vanwege zijn studielocatie. Hij was niet van plan om voor de kerst naar Aruba te gaan. “Ik dacht echt dat alles voorbij was. Misschien dat ik later nog zou worden opgeroepen voor een afsluitend gesprek hier, dat had ik verwacht. Maar dat ik zo werd aangehouden in Nederland, had ik niet gedacht. Bleek dat ze hier niets nieuws hadden. Ik begrijp nog steeds niet wat ze wilden.”

The arrest from his room in Arnhem was a complete surprise. He was planning to move to Amsterdam due to a change in his study location. He was not planning to come to Aruba for Christmas. "I really though that everything had passed. Maybe I would be called in later for a final conversation, that is what I expected. But that I was arrested in Holland i n that way i did not imagine. It seemed they had something new. I still don't understand what they wanted."


Van der Sloot baalt ervan dat hij een deel van zijn studie heeft moeten missen. Graag wil hij gauw terug. Hoe lang hij blijft, weet hij nog niet zeker. “Ik blijf nog even bij mijn ouders. En Aruba blijft ondanks alles een fijne plek. Zo meteen neem ik eerst een duik in het zwembad.”

Van der Sloot complained about having to miss his studies. He wants to go back soon. How long he will stay, he still doesn't know. "I will stay a bit more with my parents. And Aruba is a fine place despite everything. In a while I will take my first dip in the pool."

Op Aruba zal hij geen contact opnemen met de broers Deepak en Satish Kalpoe die een paar dagen eerder vrijkwamen. De vriendschap lijkt ‘al jaren’ bekoeld. Nog een effect van de zaak, beaamt Joran van der Sloot.


In Aruba he won't make contact with the Kalpoe brothers Deepak and Satish who were released a few days earlier. The friendship is already years cooled off. Another effect of the case, says Joran.


Volgens geruchten in de media zou Van der Sloot gisteravond het vliegtuig naar de Verenigde Staten hebben genomen. Dit maakten de journalisten op uit zijn aanwezigheid op luchthaven Reina Beatrix. Niets is minder waar. Joran was daar om zijn Amerikaanse advocaat uitgeleide te doen. Joran blijft voorlopig nog gewoon op Aruba.

According to rumors in the media Joran left last night for the US. The journalists made that up out of his presence at the airport. Nothing is less true. Joran was there to see off his US lawyer. He will remain on Aruba for the time being.

[Observer]

Yeah I didn't think the Kalpoes would do a press conference to announce there innocence..lol

[GabbyG]

It would have been awful if we went all the way to Aruba to find out the side scan sonar and ROV was incapable of the tasks we require.  The sea trials served to both get the gear working on board the Persistence and to prove their adequacy. If you think it would be interesting, I could post a sample of the sea trial data. The side scan sonar data is fantastic.

Hi Ocean!! Welcome to SM!! yess, please do post that data, it would be SO interesting!!
It is SUCH an honor to have you posting here at SM, thank you for visiting with us, and many Thanks to you, the Persistence and crew for your selfless undertaking of this mission to bring our girl Natalee home where she belongs! I agree with the other posters that you all are doing God's work and rest assured that He is making the trip with you, and guiding the path of the Persistence. I feel humbled to be able to actually be "speaking" with you, and it has done my heart much good to be reminded that there is still a lot of good in this scary world, evidenced by the supporters and crew of the Persistence who made this mission possible by volunteering the time, knowledge, finances, the ship, equipment etc. in order to search for Natalee and hopefully bring her home at last. We realize the sacrifices all of you are making and the chances you are taking. The world is watching, and our prayers are with all of you for your safety and success.
Thanks for taking the time to keep us updated, and sharing with us Ocean. Stop by and visit us often!
God Speed!!

[Scandi]

Our only hope now lies with the search team finding her body. Our prayers need to concentrate on them now...

Yes it does Dihannah! Mrs. Red suggested that we do more than a 24 hour prayer vigil, and I'm certainly up for that! I think we may be waiting to see when the search starts.

I agree CBB and Dihannah, and for this I would take part in a prayer vigil.  It is a wonderful idea I think because every positive thought from everyone, no matter where they are, counts.  I'm realizing what a huge job this ship and crew have ahead of them, as it will be them against the sea.  Every prayer will simply send positive thoughts for their safety and of course the miracle we all want to take place.  YaYa

[Observer]

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) The clock is ticking for officials to find concrete evidence in Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

Aruba's chief prosecutor says he plans to close the case by the end of the month unless his office finds enough evidence to charge someone with a major crime.

[Scandi]

It would have been awful if we went all the way to Aruba to find out the side scan sonar and ROV was incapable of the tasks we require.  The sea trials served to both get the gear working on board the Persistence and to prove their adequacy. If you think it would be interesting, I could post a sample of the sea trial data. The side scan sonar data is fantastic.

Hi Ocean!! Welcome to SM!! yess, please do post that data, it would be SO interesting!!
It is SUCH an honor to have you posting here at SM, thank you for visiting with us, and many Thanks to you, the Persistence and crew for your selfless undertaking of this mission to bring our girl Natalee home where she belongs! I agree with the other posters that you all are doing God's work and rest assured that He is making the trip with you, and guiding the path of the Persistence. I feel humbled to be able to actually be "speaking" with you, and it has done my heart much good to be reminded that there is still a lot of good in this scary world, evidenced by the supporters and crew of the Persistence who made this mission possible by volunteering the time, knowledge, finances, the ship, equipment etc. in order to search for Natalee and hopefully bring her home at last. We realize the sacrifices all of you are making and the chances you are taking. The world is watching, and our prayers are with all of you for your safety and success.
Thanks for taking the time to keep us updated, and sharing with us Ocean. Stop by and visit us often!
God Speed!!

Hi GabbyG,  Great to see you <<Wavy Guy>>    This will be  a real learning experience to really in essence go through the search with them as it is going on.  What a neat and unexpected bit of fortune to come our way.

[Scandi]

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico (AP) The clock is ticking for officials to find concrete evidence in Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

Aruba's chief prosecutor says he plans to close the case by the end of the month unless his office finds enough evidence to charge someone with a major crime.

Wouldn't it be just great karma ******* if this search finds something of Natalee.  Under the wire, ya baby, that would make everyone sit up and clear their throats!

[Anna]

This site link was posted this morning by Nuts44x4.  It is very good and discusses various aspects very briefly with regard to the rules and Treaty for extradition with The Netherlands.

It is against their constitution to extradite a Dutch National.  So I don't think this is going to happen.

How ironic that THIS is against the law yet drugging and raping tourists isn't.

Excellent article at that site and before we get too excited about extradition or conducting investigations, think we need to read the entirely of this short article and apply where applicable.


Goodnight!

[Helen Back]

It's late for me.  Goodnight all.