Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8 - 12/11//2007

[Helen Back]

Truthseeker2:


He looks a bit like Jimmah Cahtah.

 

[Nut44x4]

Candles & prayers for Natalee:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=NAH

Thank you...I get busy searching sometimes and I forget.

[Nut44x4]

Truthseeker2:


He looks a bit like Jimmah Cahtah.

 

HE DOES!! No wonder we have problems with this guy

[ldstlou]

Truthseeker2:


He looks a bit like Jimmah Cahtah.

 

HE DOES!! No wonder we have problems with this guy

pass the peanuts

[NYC_lover]

Rick Smid
Oberstaatsamwalt, Dept. of Justice,
Rotterdam, The Netherlands

Oberstaatsamwalt, this look like a German word.

[private eye]

I had the occasion to speak with Paul, Beth's brother this morning and he said he was going to be on Court TV today for those interested. He also brought up a topic and requested information that someone, possibly Frank or *******, were discussing earlier. He wants to nail down exactly who the specific Judges have been on this case and the specific act that they accomplished. I mentioned to him a post one time that I THINK mentioned that the Judge who executed and edited the Van Der Sloots search warrant and was on premises while the search was executed, was also a frequent overnight guest of the Van Der Sloots while he was there with his job and at other times. Anyone who has information concerning this he would really appreciate it if you would post so that he can review. His interview with Court TV is imminent so it might be too late to help him, but then again it might not be. Anyway, he felt like the Monkeys were the best group for him to ask for help, so I said I would post for him his thoughts.

[klaasend]

I had the occasion to speak with Paul, Beth's brother this morning and he said he was going to be on Court TV today for those interested. He also brought up a topic and requested information that someone, possibly Frank or *******, were discussing earlier. He wants to nail down exactly who the specific Judges have been on this case and the specific act that they accomplished. I mentioned to him a post one time that I THINK mentioned that the Judge who executed and edited the Van Der Sloots search warrant and was on premises while the search was executed, was also a frequent overnight guest of the Van Der Sloots while he was there with his job and at other times. Anyone who has information concerning this he would really appreciate it if you would post so that he can review. His interview with Court TV is imminent so it might be too late to help him, but then again it might not be. Anyway, he felt like the Monkeys were the best group for him to ask for help, so I said I would post for him his thoughts.

From Natalee's Freebirds on SMID:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=599.msg247022#msg247022

SMID, Rick  – Reportedly a friend of PVDS who stayed at VDS home.  Judge who released J2K in September 2005.  Dutch judge in Curacao.  As a public prosecutor in the NL, participated in the Carribean Financial Task Force as expert on money laundering.





WITT, Bob  – Dutch Judge ruled on 6-17-05 that Paulus van der  Sloot cannot visit Prime Suspect J. Sloot in jail, but that Joran’s Mother may do so (and she did on 6-18). Extended J2K  custody on 6-17-05, and OK’d the transfer to KIA.




BRINK, Dick van den  - Curacao criminal judge, Judge of Instruction, 6-12-05 who extended custody of J2K.  Released Johns & Jones(?)


KUIPERDAL, Judge J.S.  – JOI with Jones & Johns, extended custody


LANNOY, Luis de  - President of the Common Court of Appeals of Justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba.

[private eye]

In the interests of preserving Reds money? I am posting the link with an article on the judges and asking for help in determining the accuracy. Thanks in advance

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/11/judge-smid-squid-judge-bob-wit-twit.html

[2NJSons_Mom]

I had the occasion to speak with Paul, Beth's brother this morning and he said he was going to be on Court TV today for those interested. He also brought up a topic and requested information that someone, possibly Frank or *******, were discussing earlier. He wants to nail down exactly who the specific Judges have been on this case and the specific act that they accomplished. I mentioned to him a post one time that I THINK mentioned that the Judge who executed and edited the Van Der Sloots search warrant and was on premises while the search was executed, was also a frequent overnight guest of the Van Der Sloots while he was there with his job and at other times. Anyone who has information concerning this he would really appreciate it if you would post so that he can review. His interview with Court TV is imminent so it might be too late to help him, but then again it might not be. Anyway, he felt like the Monkeys were the best group for him to ask for help, so I said I would post for him his thoughts.

SM poster Sunfreak2 compiled a lot of info that is documented in Important Case Documents thread, among which is Aruban Who's Who.  There under Judges is the following, but at this point, I cannot say whether the source was an Aruban poster back then....perhaps someone else can recall:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0


SMID, Rick  – Reportedly a friend of PVDS who stayed at VDS home.  Judge who released J2K in September 2005.  Dutch judge in Curacao.  As a public prosecutor in the NL, participated in the Carribean Financial Task Force as expert on money laundering.

[klaasend]

In the interests of preserving Reds money? I am posting the link with an article on the judges and asking for help in determining the accuracy. Thanks in advance

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/11/judge-smid-squid-judge-bob-wit-twit.html

Yes, that post on the Aruban Boycott site is from Natalee's Freebirds and they do their "homework".

See my post above as well.

[Anna]

Investigation of the Police Force is not necessary
by A.M. Digital

Posted: Jul 9, 2005 18:10 UTC

ORANJESTAD - The Natalee Holloway case certainly has Aruba upside down. There is a lot of pressure on the Government and on the investigating team.

According to Eric Zaandam, president of the Police union SPA, it is unfortunate that the case has not yet been solved, but more unfortunate are the negative expressions towards the police force by amongst others the Minister of Justice, Rudy Croes, and by Prime Minister Nelson Oduber.

“This is to regretted because, instead of receiving support our own Government dignitaries express themselves negatively about the police” said Zaandam. “Minister Rudy Croes even mentioned that he will bring in a police team from Curaçao to investigate their colleagues in Aruba.”

Eric Zaandam wishes for the Minister of Justice to understand once and for all that the investigating team is responsible and has to report to the Public Prosecutor, and this happens all the time. The investigating team has no obligation to report to anybody else, including the Minister of Justice. The Minister may well bring any team from abroad but the Aruba Police Force will not report to any team.

Those that wish to have information will have to knock on the door at the Public Prosecutor’s office and not interrogate any member of the investigating team, according to the union leader. Minister Croes should not try to play the police forces of other islands against the Aruba police force.

SPA learned of the intentions of the Aruba Minister of Justice when they were in Surinam to commemorate 100 years of existence of the Surinam police force. Here they advised their colleague from the Netherlands Antilles not to fall in the trap of the Aruba Minister. SPA also contacted the Netherlands Antillean Police Union on the matter.

If the Aruba Minister of Justice wants information, he will have to approach the Public Prosecutor, and not accuse any member of the investigating team of leaking information. The investigating team did not commit any crime and an investigation is not necessary.

“The Aruba Police have already cooperated with all the teams that wished to help with the investigation of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, except Scotland Yard” said Zaandam.

In police circles it is already agreed that they will not collaborate with any team that comes in to investigate the investigating team of the Natalee Holloway case.

http://news.caribseek.com/set-up/exec/view.cgi?archive=72&num=16771

[Nut44x4]

This isn't related to what PI is asking for but here is a site that tells about the money laundering
Caribbean Financial Action Task Force
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:oPeu_lKd3eEJ:www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/casino/index.pdf+Rick+Smid+Aruba+-Natalee+-Holloway&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

this may have been posted here before, not sure.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Klaasend,

This has been discussed long ago, but is H. Smit the same guy as Rick Smid?  While doing searches with either spelling I found H. Smit...remembering discussing whether his name is Heinrick (or something like that)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=search2

 12  Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Lively Case Discussion #552 12/1 - 12/3/2006on: December 01, 2006, 09:24:03 PM 
Started by klaasend, Message by klaasendRelevance: 20%
JOSSY:  Court appearance yesterday.  Judge H. Smit again.  Decision should come down by next week.

[klaasend]

Klaasend,

This has been discussed long ago, but is H. Smit the same guy as Rick Smid?  While doing searches with either spelling I found H. Smit...remembering discussing whether his name is Heinrick (or something like that)

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?action=search2

 12  Natalee Holloway / LCD Archive / Lively Case Discussion #552 12/1 - 12/3/2006on: December 01, 2006, 09:24:03 PM 
Started by klaasend, Message by klaasendRelevance: 20%
JOSSY:  Court appearance yesterday.  Judge H. Smit again.  Decision should come down by next week.

I'm fairly certain it's the same guy

[Anna]

I think the Freebirds Summary plus the SunFreak Who's Who list is about as good of information as we have on the judges.  Very difficult to even find out who made a ruling in the investigation.

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[Helen Back]

I had the occasion to speak with Paul, Beth's brother this morning and he said he was going to be on Court TV today for those interested. He also brought up a topic and requested information that someone, possibly Frank or *******, were discussing earlier. He wants to nail down exactly who the specific Judges have been on this case and the specific act that they accomplished. I mentioned to him a post one time that I THINK mentioned that the Judge who executed and edited the Van Der Sloots search warrant and was on premises while the search was executed, was also a frequent overnight guest of the Van Der Sloots while he was there with his job and at other times. Anyone who has information concerning this he would really appreciate it if you would post so that he can review. His interview with Court TV is imminent so it might be too late to help him, but then again it might not be. Anyway, he felt like the Monkeys were the best group for him to ask for help, so I said I would post for him his thoughts.

SM poster Sunfreak2 compiled a lot of info that is documented in Important Case Documents thread, among which is Aruban Who's Who.  There under Judges is the following, but at this point, I cannot say whether the source was an Aruban poster back then....perhaps someone else can recall:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=203.0


SMID, Rick  – Reportedly a friend of PVDS who stayed at VDS home.  Judge who released J2K in September 2005.  Dutch judge in Curacao.  As a public prosecutor in the NL, participated in the Carribean Financial Task Force as expert on money laundering.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Judge Rick Smid is also the judge who got the DNA evidence of the three suspects thrown out.

[Tamikosmom]

There was never a chance of justice prevailing for Natalee Holloway. The eighteen year old American citizen never had an advocate within the Aruban investigation ... not even the prosecutors. Jossy Mansur ... an editor of an Aruban publication ... is the ONLY Aruban who has supported Natalee's family in their contention that a corrupt investigation was protecting Joran and Paulus and ... this support began very early on and ... has never wavered.

Janet

+++++++++++++++++++++++

Jossy Mansur
Scared Monkey - Front Page
December 9, 2007

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/09/jossy-mansur-provides-an-opinion-on-the-actions-of-aruban-prosecutor-hans-mos/

Jossy Mansur also made it known that DIARIO will not stop in the pursuit of the truth in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. We asked Jossy Mansur, the managing editor of Diario, his opinion on this matter.

I wish I could give you a proper answer, but I have the same dilemma of belief in the prosecution. I don’t know how Moss could risk re-arresting the three suspects, give such confident interviews, speak with so much determination about his new evidence, and then suddenly is willing to throw in the towel and put an end to his resolve. Was it just a show, a public exhibition of “we did everything that we could, but at the end couldn’t”, prior to closing the case and attempt in the process to put up a front of “good intentions” and nothing else? It seems so from this new perspective that he himself has created. It brings to mind the opinion that “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”!

We at the DIARIO have been questioning other incomprehensible attitudes of the prosecuting department on other matters with concrete, documented facts. It has become obvious to us and to the independent part of the population that the prosecutors will only act on behalf of the government against its opponents, but never….and I will repeat NEVER against the corrupt Ministers and Parliament members of the ruling party. In short, the majority of the people in Aruba are convinced that politics has a lot to do with the prosecution’s decisions.

I said that once in an editorial against the Attorney General and she took me to court. She lost in the lower courts, appealed, and lost again in the High Court! I was upheld in that statement by four different Dutch Judges! And so was the mayor opposing party, the AVP, who said the same thing and was also taken to Court and also won their case against the Attorney General. I believe in the Judges in Aruba, but how can I continue to believe in the prosecutors when faced with such devastating facts? I am willing to uphold our system of justice, I am willing to go to great lengths to defend it because it has functioned well in most cases, but it too has to show me that it is blind to political influence and and any kind of pressure in ALL cases! And that is pathetically missing in Natalee’s case,

Mos may have thrown in the towel, or is willing to do so and not go to trial, but we at the DIARIO will never give up on the case until the truth is know about what happened to Natalee. The first thing I will order Monday morning is a total review of the case, from its incipience, and to put all the FACTS together, and that it be published, including the documents, admissions, interviews and other pertinent facts that are in our possession. We will give it our best to prove to Mos and his associates that the case cannot be closed while there is so much fact, indication and admissions in play! (Jossy Mansur)

[ldstlou]

Star Jones on now doing a show on Natalee...Court TV.!!!!!

[dennisintn]

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Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Judge Rick Smid is also the judge who got the DNA evidence of the three suspects thrown out.


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which judge signed the original order allowing samples to be taken from the suspects that commited errors that allowed the samples to eventually be disallowed?
dennisintn

[private eye]

Paul called and he was expecting Court TV to call in 10 minutes, so he couldn't talk, but he did say he had his computer on and was watching scared monekys and he was very impressed, honestly, and extremely appreciative. His thought is the same as I think I saw earlier today, lets attack the people directly responsible for the actions, and discover everything about them that is possible. I would also like to add to his request that we determine if there is a procedure to correct a conflict of interest if it exists under their law. I want him to get a username and start signing on, so if you think he should now is a good time to tell him::)))))))