Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8 - 12/11//2007

[klaasend]

Poor Paul tried to explain about the judge at sloot place changing search warrant. Star says she  just can't leave it hanging like that...lets jorans lawyer say not true, every ounce was searched. Star says see thats the problem, we don't know the truth here in US.
HEEELLLOOOO!!! YES WE DO!!!
OK..how do we contact Star....she needs brought up to date!!!!

I'm sure there's a website for Star Jones.  To be honest, I've never watched her show and wouldn't expect it gets a large audience.  Typical of a show host that hasn't a clue though.

[Anna]

I fly to Aruba on Wed to reunite with the Persistence.  Then the search begins.

My God... what have we gotten into? 
I've thought through a lot of things to date which all came to a point in this one article.  This summarizes perfectly what I feared.

http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?act_id=2141&username=guest@tni.org&password=9999&publish=Y

Can someone PLEASE carefully read this article and give me some idea to what level I can believe what is written?  If 50% is accurate, I am seriously worried about this adventure.  The article is all about the Aruban Parliament, Free-zone / tax haven, drug trafficking, the Bankers of Cosa Nostra...Contrera's (The Cuntrera-Caruana clan specialized in laundering hundreds of millions of drug dollars), and transnational criminal holdings, and the five decades of narcotics dealings.

Didn't mean to ignore you, OceanExplorer, but we had Beth's brother live on TV and were trying to gather talking points.

Yes, that article is true but if it is any comfort, it is very old now.

So you only have to deal with second and third generation mobsters, lol, just kidding.

Michael Posner seems to be the worst of the lot and his son holds the license for the Excelsior Casino, the one Natalee was in the day she disappeared.

That is why we are all wondering just what the heck you might find on that ocean floor if you know what I mean.

.

[ldstlou]

Poor Paul tried to explain about the judge at sloot place changing search warrant. Star says she  just can't leave it hanging like that...lets jorans lawyer say not true, every ounce was searched. Star says see thats the problem, we don't know the truth here in US.
HEEELLLOOOO!!! YES WE DO!!!
OK..how do we contact Star....she needs brought up to date!!!!

Yes, it was searched but two years too late!!!

.

exactly!!!! His lawyer was a piece of work!! Said he drove from c and c to light house to fishermans hut to HI..no evidence...daaahhhh!!! of a crime...could it be because they weren't there!!! and no time...jorine only had 18 minutes to commit crime and dispose of body...you have got to be kidding me!!!
OK...really have to get my little guy!! I just can't believe after 2 1/2 years he can get away with saying that crap!! Where has star been???!!

[Frank]

Mum,

What? Are you kidding me?

She was contacted for the first time on the 5th!

I'm hopeful she will write back but probably professional protocol is not to respond. But visiting the sloots is okay?

Scary.

[truthseeker2]

I fly to Aruba on Wed to reunite with the Persistence.  Then the search begins.

My God... what have we gotten into? 
I've thought through a lot of things to date which all came to a point in this one article.  This summarizes perfectly what I feared.

http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?act_id=2141&username=guest@tni.org&password=9999&publish=Y

Can someone PLEASE carefully read this article and give me some idea to what level I can believe what is written?  If 50% is accurate, I am seriously worried about this adventure.  The article is all about the Aruban Parliament, Free-zone / tax haven, drug trafficking, the Bankers of Cosa Nostra...Contrera's (The Cuntrera-Caruana clan specialized in laundering hundreds of millions of drug dollars), and transnational criminal holdings, and the five decades of narcotics dealings.

It's all true.  Aruba has been on the State Department's travel advisory list for quite some time.  Most people don't look at that list whent hey go on vacations.  If they don't hear about the place in the news they will believe the travel brochures.  Myself, I'm boycotting Aruba.

[ldstlou]

Poor Paul tried to explain about the judge at sloot place changing search warrant. Star says she  just can't leave it hanging like that...lets jorans lawyer say not true, every ounce was searched. Star says see thats the problem, we don't know the truth here in US.
HEEELLLOOOO!!! YES WE DO!!!
OK..how do we contact Star....she needs brought up to date!!!!

I'm sure there's a website for Star Jones.  To be honest, I've never watched her show and wouldn't expect it gets a large audience.  Typical of a show host that hasn't a clue though.

I always keep the trials on in the background..if it's a good trial on..she can get quite a bit of an audience.

[Anna]

Ocean Explorer,

Earlier this mornining before the judges, we were trying to gather for you all the posts about things in the water and messages claiming to know where Natalee might be.

Hope you can read back and find those.

.

[Magnolia]

I fly to Aruba on Wed to reunite with the Persistence.  Then the search begins.

My God... what have we gotten into? 
I've thought through a lot of things to date which all came to a point in this one article.  This summarizes perfectly what I feared.

http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?act_id=2141&username=guest@tni.org&password=9999&publish=Y

Can someone PLEASE carefully read this article and give me some idea to what level I can believe what is written?  If 50% is accurate, I am seriously worried about this adventure.  The article is all about the Aruban Parliament, Free-zone / tax haven, drug trafficking, the Bankers of Cosa Nostra...Contrera's (The Cuntrera-Caruana clan specialized in laundering hundreds of millions of drug dollars), and transnational criminal holdings, and the five decades of narcotics dealings.

OE,
We have know about that article for some time.  Why do you think we are offering up
so many prayers?
I think you should know also that the casino in the Holiday Inn where Nat stayed
is owned by the Posners, part of  the Chicago Mafia.

[klaasend]

I fly to Aruba on Wed to reunite with the Persistence.  Then the search begins.

My God... what have we gotten into? 
I've thought through a lot of things to date which all came to a point in this one article.  This summarizes perfectly what I feared.

http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?act_id=2141&username=guest@tni.org&password=9999&publish=Y

Can someone PLEASE carefully read this article and give me some idea to what level I can believe what is written?  If 50% is accurate, I am seriously worried about this adventure.  The article is all about the Aruban Parliament, Free-zone / tax haven, drug trafficking, the Bankers of Cosa Nostra...Contrera's (The Cuntrera-Caruana clan specialized in laundering hundreds of millions of drug dollars), and transnational criminal holdings, and the five decades of narcotics dealings.

Yes, alot of the article is true but very old.  Why don't you send Red and email and discuss the issue, Red used to live and work in Aruba (a long time ago).

[klaasend]

Private Eye - no email from you yet.

smklaas@hotmail.com

[oceanexploration]

Anna,

A synthesis of such would be helpful and I would definitely reference it frequently while on site.  I'm pretty sure I'll be able to tell rather swiftly which are based on fact and which are based on feeling. Perhaps a separate sticky topic with no discussion, just adds would be warranted.  Thoughts?
When all's said and done I should be able to comment on each point and discuss their validity and why.  We'll see.

BTW, it brings me no comfort that the article is old.

[oceanexploration]

Seriously, why aren't I told these things when I'm asked to be involved in such a project? 
I really hope this doesn't turn into another "Abu Dhabi".  Nevermind the reference.  I'm not explaining it.

[Nut44x4]

If Court TV thinks they can replace Nancy Grace OR Catherine Crier with the likes of Star Jones and have people be happy...they have another thing coming. Star Jones is Tabloid TV trash...MO.

[MumInOhio]

Mum,

What? Are you kidding me?

She was contacted for the first time on the 5th!

I'm hopeful she will write back but probably professional protocol is not to respond. But visiting the sloots is okay?

Scary.

Yes I know I saw your blog. I think I checked the sitemeter around 6AM
Talk about scary too Frank...Check your computer really well. I have some weird things going on since AM of 5th. Having it all checked.

[Anna]

OceanExplorer,
Aruba is only 75 sq miles but is atributed with 3% of all the cocaine coming to the U.S. going through it's ports.

Quote:

Caribbean Corridor
Approximately 22 percent of the cocaine available in the United States is transported from South America through the Caribbean to maritime POEs in the United States, particularly in southeastern states. According to IACM, of the cocaine shipments that were detected departing South America moving toward the United States via the Caribbean, most departed South America on vectors that indicated transit via either Jamaica (7% of the 22%) or Haiti/Dominican Republic (7% of the 22%). Cocaine shipments also were detected moving toward the United States on vectors that indicated transit via Puerto Rico/U.S. Virgin Islands (4% of the 22%) and Aruba/Lesser Antilles (3% of the 22%). An additional 1 percent of cocaine shipments were detected moving toward the United States via the Caribbean, although the areas through which the cocaine transited were undetermined.

http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs11/12620/cocaine.htm

[Magnolia]

If Court TV thinks they can replace Nancy Grace OR Catherine Crier with the likes of Star Jones and have people be happy...they have another thing coming. Star Jones is Tabloid TV trash...MO.

I agree...but, Star Jones is desperately looking for an audience.
She is interested in the case.  She talked about it when she was
still on the View.  What is we sent her information and site links?
Maybe she would pick up the cause.

[klaasend]

I created a thread for the Ocean Search so we can discuss it in one place.  It's a sticky:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2438.0

[private eye]

Paul is furious with Star Jones treatment of the interview to say the least, and has already tried to contact her. I assure you he will get a hold of her. I haven't seen the interview but he was demonstrably upset, ok, he would never say it, but he was pissed off:))))))

[Vicki]

I fly to Aruba on Wed to reunite with the Persistence.  Then the search begins.

My God... what have we gotten into? 
I've thought through a lot of things to date which all came to a point in this one article.  This summarizes perfectly what I feared.

http://www.tni.org/detail_page.phtml?act_id=2141&username=guest@tni.org&password=9999&publish=Y

Can someone PLEASE carefully read this article and give me some idea to what level I can believe what is written?  If 50% is accurate, I am seriously worried about this adventure.  The article is all about the Aruban Parliament, Free-zone / tax haven, drug trafficking, the Bankers of Cosa Nostra...Contrera's (The Cuntrera-Caruana clan specialized in laundering hundreds of millions of drug dollars), and transnational criminal holdings, and the five decades of narcotics dealings.

Dont worry,you have angels around you, Ocean, you are truly blessed...Please dont worry...God keep you and bless you...

[Anna]

Anna,

A synthesis of such would be helpful and I would definitely reference it frequently while on site.  I'm pretty sure I'll be able to tell rather swiftly which are based on fact and which are based on feeling. Perhaps a separate sticky topic with no discussion, just adds would be warranted.  Thoughts?
When all's said and done I should be able to comment on each point and discuss their validity and why.  We'll see.

BTW, it brings me no comfort that the article is old.

Well, Jossy Mansur of the Mansur group is very supportive of Beth and not believed or charged with criminal activities.  See front page post by him as he is Editor of the Diario newspaper.  Only some of his relatives appear to be shady but mostly financial things.

Posner served eight years in a federal pen I believe was convicted under RICO act, not sure.  But he is 74 yo approximately NOW.  We have never been able to locate a current photo of him and only have one from his 1970 trial era.

Other than that, the rest is in that article.  That's about all we know.  Red could tell you more. 

I'd talk it over with him if I were you but I don't think the mob would bother you.  Unless of course you got too close to their own burial ground or something, lol, just kidding!!!!

.