Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8 - 12/11//2007

[ldstlou]

in a nutshell JORAN sucks

 

I'll second that.

[robots]

a couple of things

1. joran is a terrible poker player, is it any wonder he and paulus have to cheat at casino's           

2. joran is as bad at POKER as he is at telling lies -- horrendous

3. joran's grade will be horrible... too much losing at poker not enough hitting the books... instead of hitting books, he prefers to hit young girls and killing them

4. joran will run into someone that will take care of him one of these days
it aint a guess... its a promise

 

you know I have nothing but disgust for the sporter and bigsloot, but it is not easy to cheat at a casino and you give these two waaaay to much credit if you think they can cheat a casino!!!

when the dealer LETS them cheat and they are putting hands under the table during the game and they are playing against 17 and 18 year old girls........

its called cheating
it aint vegas...

 

[Puzzler]

many times the "WINS" at the poker sites are not real cold hard cash..
its just a way to buy into a tournament with phoney money on a future date

in other words,,, joran could not get 9000.00 in cash from one of those sites

Nawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.. he sucks at poker

even a blind squirrel finds a few nuts once in awhile 

 

[robots]

a couple of things

1. joran is a terrible poker player, is it any wonder he and paulus have to cheat at casino's           

2. joran is as bad at POKER as he is at telling lies -- horrendous

3. joran's grade will be horrible... too much losing at poker not enough hitting the books... instead of hitting books, he prefers to hit young girls and killing them

4. joran will run into someone that will take care of him one of these days
it aint a guess... its a promise

 

you know I have nothing but disgust for the sporter and bigsloot, but it is not easy to cheat at a casino and you give these two waaaay to much credit if you think they can cheat a casino!!!

i hear ya, but we are talking about aruba... remember

they let all kinds of things slide.......
my money says the dealer and the casino KNEW joran was in on the scam with the dealer
 

[ldstlou]

a couple of things

1. joran is a terrible poker player, is it any wonder he and paulus have to cheat at casino's           

2. joran is as bad at POKER as he is at telling lies -- horrendous

3. joran's grade will be horrible... too much losing at poker not enough hitting the books... instead of hitting books, he prefers to hit young girls and killing them

4. joran will run into someone that will take care of him one of these days
it aint a guess... its a promise

 

you know I have nothing but disgust for the sporter and bigsloot, but it is not easy to cheat at a casino and you give these two waaaay to much credit if you think they can cheat a casino!!!

when the dealer LETS them cheat and they are putting hands under the table during the game and they are playing against 17 and 18 year old girls........

its called cheating
it aint vegas...

 

in blackjack, you aren't allowed to touch the cards, you can do what you want with your chips, so whatever he was doing under the table may have been immoral, but it wasn't illegal..lol. Poker you can't take your hands off of the table, blackjack you can.

[robots]

a couple of things

1. joran is a terrible poker player, is it any wonder he and paulus have to cheat at casino's           

2. joran is as bad at POKER as he is at telling lies -- horrendous

3. joran's grade will be horrible... too much losing at poker not enough hitting the books... instead of hitting books, he prefers to hit young girls and killing them

4. joran will run into someone that will take care of him one of these days
it aint a guess... its a promise

 

you know I have nothing but disgust for the sporter and bigsloot, but it is not easy to cheat at a casino and you give these two waaaay to much credit if you think they can cheat a casino!!!

cheating in vegas... tough to do 

cheating in aruba.... just another day in hell hole paradise 

[Silverfox]

It's mind boggling for sure...even if it's from 1997. it's still shocking!!

Yes, this article is the one that Aruba hates to admit exists.  It is well researched and documented and a group of us have discussed it since the first few days following Natalee's disappearance.

If there is not a copy of it in the documents section here at Scared Monkeys there should be one.  It helps keep the focus on the central reason why nat's case has not been solved.  it is a reminder that Aruba's history is as black as Organized Crime can make it.  It is not window dressing -- it is based on documented facts and evidence and some pretty darn good journalistic research.

In the early days of the disappearance some of us brought this fact up on other sites (RWV) and ere mocked and criticized to even suggest that a "conspiracy" of such enormity could possibly exist, let alone be connected somehow to Nat's demise.  Now, two and a half years later following obvious coverups, hangings, beheadings, etc., etc. people are now starting to wake up to see that Aruba is still toxic from it's past -- and made even more toxic since it is much more sophisticated in it's possible underworld conduit.

I still say to focus on the Judges and on the Ministry including the very top level(s) of government and you will find the truth to what really happened, who as responsible, and where she (Nat) might actually be.

As Private Eye says -- there is true power in your collective keyboards and you can use your knowledge, hunches and all other resources to properly solve this case.

This just makes what I have been thinking more and more plausible.....I think Mos DOES have the evidence he said he did...and I think someone got to him...who I don't know..I think he was ordered, threatened, whatever to back down. To lose whatever he had.  When Vinda was interviewed she was SURE he had the goods...she stated that it had to be NEW and incriminating evidence for a judge in the NL to order the pervert held and transported to hell island.....she also said it was more difficult, as the standards were higher in the NL, to hold someone on suspicion.....I have gone over and over all this and I really think this is what happened...I think Mos was forced to NOT show the evidence....to look like a fool....

Yep... In all fairness to Mos -- it had to be BIG to make him back down, right...REAL BIG!

[Observer]

Looks as though Sporter has had a loooooong streak of that ole BAD luck!


 

Klaas,
would that be just his online losses?  Pretty steep for unemployed college freshman.

I think he is up $9400 on the one sight.

He had that one big win at party poker the day before he was arrested. But I dont see it in his winnings.

AANOTILTKK            114   $8     $55     0%   $893     -   Party Poker      x
ANGRYSHARK68            32   -$12     $30     -45%   -$388     Super Tilt   PokerStars      x   x
joran9            160   $0     $24     -15%   -$72     -   iPoker      x
joran_sloot            1   -$22     $20     -100%   -$22     -   Party Poker   

Sites this user plays on
    PartyPoker AANOTILTKK [Verified]
    PokerStars angryshark68 [Verified]
    TitanPoker Joran9 [Verified]
    UltimateBet angryshark68 [Verified]
http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/joran_sloot

I just added the wins minus the buy ins and it was about $9400 in wins on that sight. His losses on other sights would reduce that amount of course.

Where do they get the data from? At Sharkscope my winnings are exactly correct and his says only 1 game played under joran_sloot at partypoker and he lost.

[ldstlou]

Looks as though Sporter has had a loooooong streak of that ole BAD luck!


 

Klaas,
would that be just his online losses?  Pretty steep for unemployed college freshman.

I think he is up $9400 on the one sight.

He had that one big win at party poker the day before he was arrested. But I dont see it in his winnings.

AANOTILTKK            114   $8     $55     0%   $893     -   Party Poker      x
ANGRYSHARK68            32   -$12     $30     -45%   -$388     Super Tilt   PokerStars      x   x
joran9            160   $0     $24     -15%   -$72     -   iPoker      x
joran_sloot            1   -$22     $20     -100%   -$22     -   Party Poker   

Sites this user plays on
    PartyPoker AANOTILTKK [Verified]
    PokerStars angryshark68 [Verified]
    TitanPoker Joran9 [Verified]
    UltimateBet angryshark68 [Verified]
http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/joran_sloot

I just added the wins minus the buy ins and it was about $9400 in wins on that sight. His losses on other sights would reduce that amount of course.

Where do they get the data from? At Sharkscope my winnings are exactly correct and his says only 1 game played under joran_sloot at partypoker and he lost.

if you go to the sight, there is a place you can pull up the history, Klaas posted it above...hang on, I'll bump it down.

[ldstlou]

http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/joran_sloot

here it is *******

[Observer]

in blackjack, you aren't allowed to touch the cards, you can do what you want with your chips, so whatever he was doing under the table may have been immoral, but it wasn't illegal..lol. Poker you can't take your hands off of the table, blackjack you can.

No thats not true. When I first started playing BJ in Vegas I was warned to keep both hands on top of the table. I didn't know any better as I was only 21 

[robots]

angry shark

he sure like to use the word sharks in his everyday life

Natalee wanted to see sharks..........BULLCRAP

[ldstlou]

in blackjack, you aren't allowed to touch the cards, you can do what you want with your chips, so whatever he was doing under the table may have been immoral, but it wasn't illegal..lol. Poker you can't take your hands off of the table, blackjack you can.

No thats not true. When I first started playing BJ in Vegas I was warned to keep both hands on top of the table. I didn't know any better as I was only 21 

occasionally I play here in St Louis. When I get nervous I twiddle my thumbs..lol...I drop my winnings in my purse..take them out etc. Once the bet is made, you can't touch cards or chips so he wasn't cheating.

[robots]

based on joran and his character.. that we know about so far

the fact that he was playing cards and he is friends with the dealer

my guess is he was running some type of scam 

[ldstlou]

based on joran and his character.. that we know about so far

the fact that he was playing cards and he is friends with the dealer

my guess is he was running some type of scam 

casinos are just as evil as joran, maybe more so...he could not pull one over on a casino, he is a dumb drunken kid...it's why he has to steal from his parents.

[Observer]

http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/joran_sloot

here it is *******

Hi..Yes I have seen that. At Sharkscope.com it says he only won $893. WHen I searched my own history mine was exact at that site. It doesnt really matter as I was just trying to see what was accurate. I don't doubt he gambles a lot at hold-em.

[robots]

i have a "friend" and we play... ummm errr i mean "he" plays poker once a month
at an un-named location and its a $100 buy in. usually 30 people and 3 tables going.
winners play in the final table and the losers play cash games if they want.

and everyone likes everyone but its serious business, and if someone is suspected of cheating... i would not want to be that person

if you know what i mean

[robots]

based on joran and his character.. that we know about so far

the fact that he was playing cards and he is friends with the dealer

my guess is he was running some type of scam 

casinos are just as evil as joran, maybe more so...he could not pull one over on a casino, he is a dumb drunken kid...it's why he has to steal from his parents.

i agree,, except it happens when the dealers are croooked

at least that is what i saw on TV on the cheating channel about vegas 

[ldstlou]

http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/joran_sloot

here it is *******

Hi..Yes I have seen that. At Sharkscope.com it says he only won $893. WHen I searched my own history mine was exact at that site. It doesnt really matter as I was just trying to see what was accurate. I don't doubt he gambles a lot at hold-em.

you play there too? Get in a game with him and kick his azz...lol

[ldstlou]

based on joran and his character.. that we know about so far

the fact that he was playing cards and he is friends with the dealer

my guess is he was running some type of scam 

casinos are just as evil as joran, maybe more so...he could not pull one over on a casino, he is a dumb drunken kid...it's why he has to steal from his parents.

i agree,, except it happens when the dealers are croooked

at least that is what i saw on TV on the cheating channel about vegas 

I saw that show on those kids from MIT I think it was. They were genius level!! Took them a year of studying how to count cards. They won millions before they were caught. I kind of thought they were cool!! lol Joran is no genius thats for sure...probably can't even tie his own shoes!!!