Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8 - 12/11//2007

[Buckeye]

Interesting that "forensic" Archer says he drove the route...to the lighthouse, blah, blah, blah.

Doesn't Joran, in his book, deny going to the lighthouse??

hmmmmmm....the rocks.....

[klaasend]

Private Eye - if you read this.  Natalee's Freebirds heard you were looking for the information on the Judges.  I already gave you the link to some of their stuff but they "bumped" it up on their website as well.  Natalee's Freebirds do excellent well researched posts, you can get alot of information from their site (in one place).  We actually have all their stuff posted at SM as well:

All of Natalee's Freebirds posts copied to SM:http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=599.0


Their blog
http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/

[Buckeye]

Sleuth

Actually had a very early, accurate Judge chart.  I remember because I quoted it once without giving credit.

[Observer]

i have a "friend" and we play... ummm errr i mean "he" plays poker once a month
at an un-named location and its a $100 buy in. usually 30 people and 3 tables going.
winners play in the final table and the losers play cash games if they want.

and everyone likes everyone but its serious business, and if someone is suspected of cheating... i would not want to be that person

if you know what i mean

If you look it up Posner was he was big in online poker as many of these sites are located in places like costa rica,south africa..carribean etc. I never researched him much so I dont know the specifics. I know just recently absolute poker was caught big time cheating but they still never got shut down. It's a evil business for sure..Especially online.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FczbS7FiWSM

[ldstlou]

i have a "friend" and we play... ummm errr i mean "he" plays poker once a month
at an un-named location and its a $100 buy in. usually 30 people and 3 tables going.
winners play in the final table and the losers play cash games if they want.

and everyone likes everyone but its serious business, and if someone is suspected of cheating... i would not want to be that person

if you know what i mean

If you look it up Posner was he was big in online poker as many of these sites are located in places like costa rica,south africa..carribean etc. I never researched him much so I dont know the specifics. I know just recently absolute poker was caught big time cheating but they still never got shut down. It's a evil business for sure..Especially online.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FczbS7FiWSM

pure evil. I stopped going. When people come to visit they like to stop by, I let my brother take them now. One time I saw a 2 year old pop up in a van. It was maybe 11 at night and I was leaving. I went back in and told security, they said nothing we can do. Called the cops, they said nothing we can do it's private property. I was so disgusted I never went again. Someone was in gambling while their two year old was locked in a van. The baby must have been sleeping and then woke up. No one would do a thing!!

[Observer]

http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/joran_sloot

here it is *******

you play there too? Get in a game with him and kick his azz...lol

I play at a site he use to play at but not party poker. If I see him at my site I will actually be able to go to his table and talk to him. But I am pretty sure he moved on and plays just at party poker. Looking at his history he has played at a bunch of sites and he joins another one after he loses a few games.

[Tylergal]

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/02/27/joran-van-der-sloots-many-stories-koens-fathers-boat-one-of-the-many/

That house where that boat is parked, looks totally different from the house we were told by Renfro was the Koan house wx was for sale.

[Nut44x4]

many times the "WINS" at the poker sites are not real cold hard cash..
its just a way to buy into a tournament with phoney money on a future date

in other words,,, joran could not get 9000.00 in cash from one of those sites

Nawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.. he sucks at poker

even a blind squirrel finds a few nuts once in awhile 

 

 

[Dayhiker]

This just makes what I have been thinking more and more plausible.....I think Mos DOES have the evidence he said he did...and I think someone got to him...who I don't know..I think he was ordered, threatened, whatever to back down. To lose whatever he had.  When Vinda was interviewed she was SURE he had the goods...she stated that it had to be NEW and incriminating evidence for a judge in the NL to order the pervert held and transported to hell island.....she also said it was more difficult, as the standards were higher in the NL, to hold someone on suspicion.....I have gone over and over all this and I really think this is what happened...I think Mos was forced to NOT show the evidence....to look like a fool....

Yep... In all fairness to Mos -- it had to be BIG to make him back down, right...REAL BIG!

When the going gets tough, the Dutch get the hell out of Dodge. Mos sure changed his stripes in two short weeks.

Watch for this. They'll close the case but they'll make sure that case files never see the light of day to cover up their cowardess. They will come up with more twisted horseshit about Dutch law to make sure it doesn't happen. They're a bunch of chickenshits.

[BUCKSHOT]

tj ward / jossy mansur / beth and dave. these three sitting around a round table could solve this case, i am sure, down to the minute.

simple theory... jk2 + nh leave cnc headed for a drive... drive takes them by the lighthouse at the northern end of the island...something bad happens here at the rocks...drive by sloot house, in panic...paulus gets involved...others, through paulus and j2k get involved...multiple vehicles + multiple persons involved (not 10 - maybe 3-5) in early hours...setting up alibis begin...evidence cleaning begins(cars,shoes,apartment)...temporary body disposal site...next day...setting up alibis continue...evidence cleaning continues...final disposal plan is arranged...final disposal plan is executed...paulus judiciary connections are contacted and utilized throughout.

this just seems, after much thought, to make sense to me.

[Observer]

pure evil. I stopped going. When people come to visit they like to stop by, I let my brother take them now. One time I saw a 2 year old pop up in a van. It was maybe 11 at night and I was leaving. I went back in and told security, they said nothing we can do. Called the cops, they said nothing we can do it's private property. I was so disgusted I never went again. Someone was in gambling while their two year old was locked in a van. The baby must have been sleeping and then woke up. No one would do a thing!!

Yeh thats awful but that happens everyday in vegas and even worse. I just play for fun and for the sport but's it can be a serious addiction just like drugs. There is a dark side to every casino.

Joran has alot of time on his hands and probably has been gambling since he was 16. I can only imagine the type of player he is and I am sure he loves his online poker. If he isn't in prison I am sure he will be playing a ton more in 2008.

[ldstlou]

http://www.pocketfives.com/profiles/joran_sloot

here it is *******

you play there too? Get in a game with him and kick his azz...lol

I play at a site he use to play at but not party poker. If I see him at my site I will actually be able to go to his table and talk to him. But I am pretty sure he moved on and plays just at party poker. Looking at his history he has played at a bunch of sites and he joins another one after he loses a few games.

I would worry if my kid was playing poker like that...he definately has some addictions, what a messed up person he is...all around just totally screwed up person!!!

[SunnyinTX]

This just makes what I have been thinking more and more plausible.....I think Mos DOES have the evidence he said he did...and I think someone got to him...who I don't know..I think he was ordered, threatened, whatever to back down. To lose whatever he had.  When Vinda was interviewed she was SURE he had the goods...she stated that it had to be NEW and incriminating evidence for a judge in the NL to order the pervert held and transported to hell island.....she also said it was more difficult, as the standards were higher in the NL, to hold someone on suspicion.....I have gone over and over all this and I really think this is what happened...I think Mos was forced to NOT show the evidence....to look like a fool....

Yep... In all fairness to Mos -- it had to be BIG to make him back down, right...REAL BIG!

I have gone back the past couple of days and looked at and listened to everything I could find...all the interviews etc...time after time...listened to every word he said, read every article I could find...I am convinced he has new and explosive evidence.... WHO or WHAT made him do a turn around....the statement that the family and the media were the ones who hindered the case....that was so atypical of anything we had heard him say.....either he has the evidence or he needs to move to Hollywood!!

[ldstlou]

pure evil. I stopped going. When people come to visit they like to stop by, I let my brother take them now. One time I saw a 2 year old pop up in a van. It was maybe 11 at night and I was leaving. I went back in and told security, they said nothing we can do. Called the cops, they said nothing we can do it's private property. I was so disgusted I never went again. Someone was in gambling while their two year old was locked in a van. The baby must have been sleeping and then woke up. No one would do a thing!!

Yeh thats awful but that happens everyday in vegas and even worse. I just play for fun and for the sport but's it can be a serious addiction just like drugs. There is a dark side to every casino.

Joran has alot of time on his hands and probably has been gambling since he was 16. I can only imagine the type of player he is and I am sure he loves his online poker. If he isn't in prison I am sure he will be playing a ton more in 2008.

you know O, he is headed for prison, may not be for what he did to Natalee, but no doubt in my mind he will end up there. No doubt in my mind he is still stealing to cover his habits too.

[Nut44x4]

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/02/27/joran-van-der-sloots-many-stories-koens-fathers-boat-one-of-the-many/

That house where that boat is parked, looks totally different from the house we were told by Renfro was the Koan house wx was for sale.

Here are more views.....
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=329.480

[Anna]

I think this case was solved two years ago.  It's getting the proof when you have LE destroying it faster than it can be found that is the problem.

[ldstlou]

This just makes what I have been thinking more and more plausible.....I think Mos DOES have the evidence he said he did...and I think someone got to him...who I don't know..I think he was ordered, threatened, whatever to back down. To lose whatever he had.  When Vinda was interviewed she was SURE he had the goods...she stated that it had to be NEW and incriminating evidence for a judge in the NL to order the pervert held and transported to hell island.....she also said it was more difficult, as the standards were higher in the NL, to hold someone on suspicion.....I have gone over and over all this and I really think this is what happened...I think Mos was forced to NOT show the evidence....to look like a fool....

Yep... In all fairness to Mos -- it had to be BIG to make him back down, right...REAL BIG!

I have gone back the past couple of days and looked at and listened to everything I could find...all the interviews etc...time after time...listened to every word he said, read every article I could find...I am convinced he has new and explosive evidence.... WHO or WHAT made him do a turn around....the statement that the family and the media were the ones who hindered the case....that was so atypical of anything we had heard him say.....either he has the evidence or he needs to move to Hollywood!!

Sunny, he even had JQK and Jossy convinced. I think Jossy knows what it is too. I just hope he reveals all he knows now that Mos is not prosecuting.

[BUCKSHOT]

This just makes what I have been thinking more and more plausible.....I think Mos DOES have the evidence he said he did...and I think someone got to him...who I don't know..I think he was ordered, threatened, whatever to back down. To lose whatever he had.  When Vinda was interviewed she was SURE he had the goods...she stated that it had to be NEW and incriminating evidence for a judge in the NL to order the pervert held and transported to hell island.....she also said it was more difficult, as the standards were higher in the NL, to hold someone on suspicion.....I have gone over and over all this and I really think this is what happened...I think Mos was forced to NOT show the evidence....to look like a fool....

Yep... In all fairness to Mos -- it had to be BIG to make him back down, right...REAL BIG!

When the going gets tough, the Dutch get the hell out of Dodge. Mos sure changed his stripes in two short weeks.

Watch for this. They'll close the case but they'll make sure that case files never see the light of day to cover up their cowardess. They will come up with more twisted horseshit about Dutch law to make sure it doesn't happen.[/[/b]color] They're a bunch of chickenshits.[/b]

i 100% agree with this. the important evidence will not see daylight. only the "made for public" declassified stuff will see daylight.

[SunnyinTX]

Since I know nothing about cards or poker ...I'll bid y'all good night....later taters

[Anna]

This just makes what I have been thinking more and more plausible.....I think Mos DOES have the evidence he said he did...and I think someone got to him...who I don't know..I think he was ordered, threatened, whatever to back down. To lose whatever he had.  When Vinda was interviewed she was SURE he had the goods...she stated that it had to be NEW and incriminating evidence for a judge in the NL to order the pervert held and transported to hell island.....she also said it was more difficult, as the standards were higher in the NL, to hold someone on suspicion.....I have gone over and over all this and I really think this is what happened...I think Mos was forced to NOT show the evidence....to look like a fool....

Yep... In all fairness to Mos -- it had to be BIG to make him back down, right...REAL BIG!

I have gone back the past couple of days and looked at and listened to everything I could find...all the interviews etc...time after time...listened to every word he said, read every article I could find...I am convinced he has new and explosive evidence.... WHO or WHAT made him do a turn around....the statement that the family and the media were the ones who hindered the case....that was so atypical of anything we had heard him say.....either he has the evidence or he needs to move to Hollywood!!

Sunny, he even had JQK and Jossy convinced. I think Jossy knows what it is too. I just hope he reveals all he knows now that Mos is not prosecuting.

I didn't know Mos had announced.  He is for SURE not going to prosecute?  That is truly disappointing.

Last thing I was expecting to hear but then not the first time for that either.

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