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Magnolia
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
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Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on December 08, 2007, 10:20:48 PM
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Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on December 08, 2007, 10:01:42 PM
My point is WHY did Joe T. have to know this and announce it on T.V.? Was this judge in someone's pocket from the get-go? Wonder what kind of cases the judge has done in the past? Wonder what his track record is? I said this on BFN one time-Paulus and a couple of the judge's need to be looked into. Something is fishy big time and Joe T. (MO) is involved in this from day 1. Is it drugs, cartels, the mob or all the above (I am just thinking out loud and only my opinion on this).
All the above is what runs Aruba. Just seems to me that it is the American Mob that is involved here with connections to Posner. Not sure if that is because who is involved from Aruba or because the victim was American. I can see it both ways who is financing all of this(Posner,Cartel or Aruban Govt). Certainly would be easy for the Aruban Govt to launder up some dirty drug money. One deicent size cocaine bust would cover all of this.
I agree with the above....but the question to me is WHY? Why would the Mob or the Arubian Gov't or a drug cartel care one whit about Joran VanderSloot and his sweaty papa? That is one piece of the puzzle that I have never found.
I have always thought Posner was in this up to his eyeballs.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
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Interesting. In 1999 I see Michael Archer filed a pistol permit application in Fishkill County, NY. Now why would a forensic pathologist need to carry a pistol? Hmm...
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
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Correction--Dutchess County, NY, not Fishkill County. My bad.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
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Quote from: AZLady on December 08, 2007, 10:59:23 PM
Interesting. In 1999 I see Michael Archer filed a pistol permit application in Fishkill County, NY. Now why would a forensic pathologist need to carry a pistol? Hmm...
Lies when he testifies and people get mad??
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Magnolia-
Paulus was special assistant to Rudy Croes prior, his express duty/domain was over contracts. If you're over contracts on this tiny island then every legitimate and also non-legitimate business is in your scope. The word kick-back's might also have some relevance here as well.
night all
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
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Quote from: Magnolia on December 08, 2007, 10:58:27 PM
Quote from: ******* on December 08, 2007, 10:28:45 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on December 08, 2007, 10:20:48 PM
Quote from: ******* on December 08, 2007, 10:14:13 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on December 08, 2007, 10:01:42 PM
My point is WHY did Joe T. have to know this and announce it on T.V.? Was this judge in someone's pocket from the get-go? Wonder what kind of cases the judge has done in the past? Wonder what his track record is? I said this on BFN one time-Paulus and a couple of the judge's need to be looked into. Something is fishy big time and Joe T. (MO) is involved in this from day 1. Is it drugs, cartels, the mob or all the above (I am just thinking out loud and only my opinion on this).
All the above is what runs Aruba. Just seems to me that it is the American Mob that is involved here with connections to Posner. Not sure if that is because who is involved from Aruba or because the victim was American. I can see it both ways who is financing all of this(Posner,Cartel or Aruban Govt). Certainly would be easy for the Aruban Govt to launder up some dirty drug money. One deicent size cocaine bust would cover all of this.
I agree with the above....but the question to me is WHY? Why would the Mob or the Arubian Gov't or a drug cartel care one whit about Joran VanderSloot and his sweaty papa? That is one piece of the puzzle that I have never found.
I have always thought Posner was in this up to his eyeballs.
Paulus worked on contracts and probably was very tight with the Ministers. Maybe he has his second set of books locked up or he's in partnership and if he goes down or his kid, the books are open.
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Magnolia
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
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Birmingham television just had a report on the Natalee case.
Interview with Joe T....he spewed more of his stuff that his client was
absolutely not guilty.
Then Mos....who said that he wanted the truth to come forward
and he would make every effort to make sure that happened.
He said that the case is not closed.
Then JQK....and this was good...he had a twinkle in his eye.
He said that the investigation was botched from the beginning
and there was corruption from within.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
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WTF??? I'm gone for a few hours and come back to see this??? I'm still back on page 5..will catch up in a minute.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
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Rather than a forensic pathologist, I fear our Michael Archer was a rather unsuccessful undertaker in Beacon, NY. In 1999, he and the funeral parlor he owned and lived at was sued by two separate parties with resulting judgements of $24,690 and $1650.
Gee, it must not be too much of a leap from unsuccessful undertaker to forensic pathologist, eh?
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
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Quote from: Magnolia on December 08, 2007, 11:07:24 PM
Birmingham television just had a report on the Natalee case.
Interview with Joe T....he spewed more of his stuff that his client was
absolutely not guilty.
Then Mos....who said that he wanted the truth to come forward
and he would make every effort to make sure that happened.
He said that the case is not closed.
Then JQK....and this was good...he had a twinkle in his eye.
He said that the investigation was botched from the beginning
and there was corruption from within.
About time JQK said corruption.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
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Quote from: Magnolia on December 08, 2007, 10:58:27 PM
Quote from: ******* on December 08, 2007, 10:28:45 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on December 08, 2007, 10:20:48 PM
Quote from: ******* on December 08, 2007, 10:14:13 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on December 08, 2007, 10:01:42 PM
I agree with the above....but the question to me is WHY? Why would the Mob or the Arubian Gov't or a drug cartel care one whit about Joran VanderSloot and his sweaty papa? That is one piece of the puzzle that I have never found.
I have always thought Posner was in this up to his eyeballs.
WHY is right? I wish I had the definite answers. It appears the Dutch aren't doing a damn thing about it either.
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Helen Back
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
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December 08, 2007, 11:14:53 PM »
Well, Frank suggested that Paulus's background needs digging into and I agree. I always wondered what the story behind the failed judge in training fiasco was.
As for Rick Smid, the only thing I can find on him is a recent money laundering case he is presiding over on another island, and his signature on the US Resolution for a Federal Commission on Drug Policy,
www.druglibrary.net/resolution/longlist.htm
. You would think in the midst of so much controversy regarding Rick Smid's release of Joran in 2005, they would have sent anyone but him.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
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Quote from: AZLady on December 08, 2007, 11:10:49 PM
Rather than a forensic pathologist, I fear our Michael Archer was a rather unsuccessful undertaker in Beacon, NY. In 1999, he and the funeral parlor he owned and lived at was sued by two separate parties with resulting judgements of $24,690 and $1650.
Gee, it must not be too much of a leap from unsuccessful undertaker to forensic pathologist, eh?
You just made my day AZLady. That is the funniest thing. Add it to his Wiki article.
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Quote from: oceanexploration on December 08, 2007, 09:02:30 PM
It would have been awful if we went all the way to Aruba to find out the side scan sonar and ROV was incapable of the tasks we require. The sea trials served to both get the gear working on board the Persistence and to prove their adequacy. If you think it would be interesting, I could post a sample of the sea trial data. The side scan sonar data is fantastic.
Hi OceanExploration, What a treat to have you here. Sorry I had to leave for a bit, and now you are offline, but what a nice surprise to meet you here. I would love to see a sample of the sea trial data.
I know a little bit about side sonar and how it works. During the Scott Peterson trial I came to know and correspond with Gene Ralston, that salty 'ole Captain
, and I learned quite a bit about the basics through emails. In fact I was one of the posters {there were actually many of us} who saw what his camera that was attached to the ROV was recording after the SS had spotted what looked like a body in San Francisco Bay on March 14th of 2003. They had seen her too, Sgt Cloward standing beside him, but the line to the monitor on board the ship had problems, wrong cable. Even so, there was some footage captured which showed up on Greta's On The Record, live and in living color. I'll never forget it! I did do a pencil sketch right away so I wouldn't forget what I saw, and pull it out from time to time for posterity's sake!
Gene did write and say what I saw was very similar to what they did that day. He said they saw crabs everywhere on her and so couldn't see clothing, but there were streams of light colored fabric that appeared to be floating above her. I saw her with lines across, as though she had been wrapped like a mummy. Turns out what I was seeking was either the crabs or those shredded tatters of her jeans. It was after her remains washed ashore that he knew it was L
I am so happy you are a part of our group. Kind of an amazing group of people here, OceanExploration, such a beautifully run sight as well. Welcome Aboard mate and will absolutely read everything you give to us. ;}
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
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The thing I am asking if is a camera is at Paulus left elbow, not directly in front of him. It could be a small video camera even. Appears to have a wide strap.
I think it is a prop he used in his ruse along with Joran to play the role of tourist.
Also recall Anita mentioning her camera at great length. There is a reason she did that.
Is this her camera and Paulus is using Mommy's camera as a prop to appear to the tourist girls to also be a tourist as we know Joran claimed to be?
Just another of those strange coincidents it is now appearing we will never have answers for.
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in the picture it looks like paulus is drinking something
i bet he was drunk as hell...
man, dont i hate him
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
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Quote from: ******* on December 08, 2007, 11:14:21 PM
Quote from: Magnolia on December 08, 2007, 10:58:27 PM
Quote from: ******* on December 08, 2007, 10:28:45 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on December 08, 2007, 10:20:48 PM
Quote from: ******* on December 08, 2007, 10:14:13 PM
Quote from: Blue Moon of KY on December 08, 2007, 10:01:42 PM
I agree with the above....but the question to me is WHY? Why would the Mob or the Arubian Gov't or a drug cartel care one whit about Joran VanderSloot and his sweaty papa? That is one piece of the puzzle that I have never found.
I have always thought Posner was in this up to his eyeballs.
WHY is right? I wish I had the definite answers. It appears the Dutch aren't doing a damn thing about it either.
Well, PVDS is at the heart of the matter, IMO.
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
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Quote from: Anna on December 08, 2007, 11:15:44 PM
The thing I am asking if is a camera is at Paulus left elbow, not directly in front of him. It could be a small video camera even. Appears to have a wide strap.
I think it is a prop he used in his ruse along with Joran to play the role of tourist.
Also recall Anita mentioning her camera at great length. There is a reason she did that.
Is this her camera and Paulus is using Mommy's camera as a prop to appear to the tourist girls to also be a tourist as we know Joran claimed to be?
Just another of those strange coincidents it is now appearing we will never have answers for.
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yes, a strap of some kind
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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8/2007
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Quote from: ******* on December 08, 2007, 07:29:48 PM
Paulus van der Sloot, forensic scientist Michael Archer, Anita van der Sloot and attorney Joseph Tacopina are seen early Friday, Dec. 7, 2007, before the release of Joran van der Sloot, in Oranjestad, Aruba. A judge in Aruba ordered the release Friday of the last of three suspects re-arrested last month in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, ruling the evidence was not strong enough to continue holding him.
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Anita van der Sloot, left, reacts as her attorney Rosemarie Arnold givers her the news of the release of her son Joran van der Sloot, Friday, Dec. 7, 2007, in Oranjestad, Aruba. A judge in Aruba ordered the release Friday of the last of three suspects re-arrested last month in the disappearance of American teenager Natalee Holloway, ruling the evidence was not strong enough to continue holding him
Paulus - beyond words
Taco - every picture I've ever seen him in he's standing with his legs wide apart and looks like he's getting ready to jump at something - maybe he thinks he looks macho...I think he looks weird.
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PUZZLER WROTE:
Paulus - beyond words
Taco - every picture I've ever seen him in he's standing with his legs wide apart and looks like he's getting ready to jump at something - maybe he thinks he looks macho...I think he looks weird.
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Or a Bad case of Jock Itch.
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