Natalee Case Discussion #703 12/8 - 12/11//2007

[Nut44x4]

 20 Most Shocking Unsolved Crimes - E Channel - Sunday, Dec. 9, 2007


Natalee was #1 at the very end of the show. I kept waiting and waiting.
Beth and Dave both had segments.  20 Most Shocking Unsolved Crimes ...The Natalee Holloway mystery is # 1 !!!!!!!!
This was actually a very good program...hope they repeat it for those who did not get to see.

This is for people who don't read back, lol.

[Silverfox]

quote from Magnolia
Mos came out with guns ablazin'.

He said that he has Explosive new evidence.
He said that he had proof that Natalee was dead.
He said that the father was definately involved.
He was willing to talk.
He gave us all hope and made us believe in him. (except San)

What happened to him?  Who got to him?
Just before the Kalpoes were released he suddenly canceled
a news conference and his next interview he blamed the
family, the media and the DEA agent. He was suddenly
like a different man.
Where is the explosive new evidence? 
How did he know that the Kalpoes disposed of the body?

It is all goofy!


Thank you, Magnolia.

  Maybe Judge Smid got to Mr Mos. I have been looking for information on both he and Wit since the last time Ramm was here defending their decisions. As is with Archer, there is not a lot out there about Judge H.C. ‘Rick’ Smid, Smit, Smitt and Judge Jacob ‘Bob’ Wit, Witt.

Smid was the principal player in this case. He ruled on the DNA and released the suspects among other things.

Wit was at the van der Sloots, with Vocking the day the search warrant was serve in 2005. He was appointed to the Caribbean Court of Justice on June 1st 2005, so why was he there to limit that warrant. Did he have the authority?

Lala’s…where do Smid/Wit, either or both, fit in as Dirty Hand/dirty hand?

  mmmmmmmmm...A Judge HANDS down a ruling ...in the opinion of most, that ruling HANDED down is wrong...
DIRTY HAND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL      Good one!

[Magnolia]

Someone was commenting a while back about two things in the video of Paulus at the Blackjack table that jumped out at me.  One, some people thought he had a videocamera and/or a small silver camera or cigarette box in front of him.  Two, someone commented on his action of reaching down under the table.  Both of these are indications of cheating.  In most casinos, cameras are not allowed and nothing is allowed to sit on the table.  These devices can be used to read marked cards.  A player is to keep both hands on the table in a casino because devices can be used, and even attached underneath a table, to assist a player in keeping a hole card to be used when it is to his benefit. 

I believe that Paulus is a cheater and heavily involved in the money-laundering that are the Aruban casinos' sole reason for existence.  Apparently, if we picked up his clumsy attempts to cheat on a video of only a few seconds, Paulus is not very adept at his game.  On the other hand, when playing with a table of naive 18 year old girls who have no idea what they are doing, he didn't need to be very skilled.  He just needed someone to blur that video sufficiently so the world didn't immediately spot his clumsy cheating.  Paulus, Paulus, Paulus--your game is so obvious that even a novice like me can see what you are doing.  That's what happens when the pickings are easy and the players get sloppy.

Found this in Msmaple's Murder and Crime thread...
SunFreak2 posted this on LCD 01/25/2007, also re. the above posts.


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At the Caribbean Financial Action Task Force in 1997 - Rick Smid (now Judge Smid) was the expert on Money Laundering in the Casino & Gaming Industry!!! See reference below. I found this many months ago and wondered if Judge Smid now heads up the illegal money laundering operations in the Caribbean. It makes sense to me that an expert on money laundering could decide to go to the "dark side" as he would know all the ins & outs and how to avoid the law.

Smid is the Judge who freed Joran, Freddie, K2 in September 2005. He supposedly is Paulus's good buddy. Could Paulus be in cahoots with Smid in the money laundering biz? Maybe Joran & Guido were in on it too.

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CFATF Typology Exercise II: Casino Regulatory Conference
Aruba - July 16-17, 1997

The Nature and Extent of Money Laundering in the Casino and Gaming Industry
Hon. Tennyson R.G. Wells, AG and Minister of Justice-The Bahamas
Mr. Rick Smid, National Public Prosecutor-Netherlands

source: http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/ click on Casino & Gaming
 
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Anna's reply....
This was allegedly Karin Janssen's area of expertise as well, prior to her leaving The Netherlands for Aruba.  I have often wondered if there was a connection between her and Judge Smid in this regard and if they knew each other prior to coming to the islands.

Was the idea for these two to prosecute cases of money-mishandling or participate in them?  Odd that they both would have that particular area of knowledge.

Ooh you are getting warmer... and remember...Paulus used to handle contacts and "delicate" matters for Rudy Croes... now connect the dots... Contracts include the casinos, right? The government of Aruba, I am told, receives substantial revenues from those same casinos...Who does Posner pay?  "Under" the table (like in the casino video) slight of hand might be coming at all levels... If you can get the courts and the minister of justice in your pocket you are well insulated, right?  Where else in the World would Posner be able to operate a casino after what happened to him in the US...????

I read on the front page of SM last night that Paulus wrote the contract
for Posner's casino.

[MumInOhio]

Magnolia...Was that in what Red posted from Jossy? Or comments? Didn't get a chance to read it yet. TIA

[Magnolia]

Magnolia...Was that in what Red posted from Jossy? Or comments? Didn't get a chance to read it yet. TIA

I just realized that I should have clarified that.
I was googling and found it in an old comment section after
Red had posted about a drug laundering arrest.  I may have saved it
Will look and see.

[Silverfox]

Someone was commenting a while back about two things in the video of Paulus at the Blackjack table that jumped out at me.  One, some people thought he had a videocamera and/or a small silver camera or cigarette box in front of him.  Two, someone commented on his action of reaching down under the table.  Both of these are indications of cheating.  In most casinos, cameras are not allowed and nothing is allowed to sit on the table.  These devices can be used to read marked cards.  A player is to keep both hands on the table in a casino because devices can be used, and even attached underneath a table, to assist a player in keeping a hole card to be used when it is to his benefit. 

I believe that Paulus is a cheater and heavily involved in the money-laundering that are the Aruban casinos' sole reason for existence.  Apparently, if we picked up his clumsy attempts to cheat on a video of only a few seconds, Paulus is not very adept at his game.  On the other hand, when playing with a table of naive 18 year old girls who have no idea what they are doing, he didn't need to be very skilled.  He just needed someone to blur that video sufficiently so the world didn't immediately spot his clumsy cheating.  Paulus, Paulus, Paulus--your game is so obvious that even a novice like me can see what you are doing.  That's what happens when the pickings are easy and the players get sloppy.

Found this in Msmaple's Murder and Crime thread...
SunFreak2 posted this on LCD 01/25/2007, also re. the above posts.


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At the Caribbean Financial Action Task Force in 1997 - Rick Smid (now Judge Smid) was the expert on Money Laundering in the Casino & Gaming Industry!!! See reference below. I found this many months ago and wondered if Judge Smid now heads up the illegal money laundering operations in the Caribbean. It makes sense to me that an expert on money laundering could decide to go to the "dark side" as he would know all the ins & outs and how to avoid the law.

Smid is the Judge who freed Joran, Freddie, K2 in September 2005. He supposedly is Paulus's good buddy. Could Paulus be in cahoots with Smid in the money laundering biz? Maybe Joran & Guido were in on it too.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

CFATF Typology Exercise II: Casino Regulatory Conference
Aruba - July 16-17, 1997

The Nature and Extent of Money Laundering in the Casino and Gaming Industry
Hon. Tennyson R.G. Wells, AG and Minister of Justice-The Bahamas
Mr. Rick Smid, National Public Prosecutor-Netherlands

source: http://www.cfatf.org/eng/typoexe/ click on Casino & Gaming
 
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Anna's reply....
This was allegedly Karin Janssen's area of expertise as well, prior to her leaving The Netherlands for Aruba.  I have often wondered if there was a connection between her and Judge Smid in this regard and if they knew each other prior to coming to the islands.

Was the idea for these two to prosecute cases of money-mishandling or participate in them?  Odd that they both would have that particular area of knowledge.

Ooh you are getting warmer... and remember...Paulus used to handle contacts and "delicate" matters for Rudy Croes... now connect the dots... Contracts include the casinos, right? The government of Aruba, I am told, receives substantial revenues from those same casinos...Who does Posner pay?  "Under" the table (like in the casino video) slight of hand might be coming at all levels... If you can get the courts and the minister of justice in your pocket you are well insulated, right?  Where else in the World would Posner be able to operate a casino after what happened to him in the US...????

I read on the front page of SM last night that Paulus wrote the contract
for Posner's casino.

Looks like nice "perks" right?  Casino credit privs...Looking the other way for minor son, lots of free drinks, and what a way to get extra cash that looks innocent (Hey honey, I won it playing poker -- lets remodel the concrete and the swimming pool, ok?)

[Magnolia]

Magnolia...Was that in what Red posted from Jossy? Or comments? Didn't get a chance to read it yet. TIA

I just realized that I should have clarified that.
I was googling and found it in an old comment section after
Red had posted about a drug laundering arrest.  I may have saved it
Will look and see.

Here is the link...I think.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/05/22/man-sentenced-in-aruba-for-money-laundering-300000-euros-in-drug-money-verdict-is-of-great-importance-surely-you-jest/

[AZLady]

I think we've established the Mafia involvement in the casinos and the money laundering that forms the backbone of their business.  Now, are you ready for the next step? 
ta da...
Online gambling.  Yes.  This is seldom discussed but is Aruba's dirty little secret that washes more drug money than the little casinos that line her hotel row.  The Caribbean has thousands of online casinos, and the Excelsior was one of the first!!  The profit is huge, the overhead is minimal, and it is the perfect vehicle for money laundering as it is all done digitally, moving money from one account to another to another.  It is currently illegal in the US but it is legal to gamble online in many European countries. 

The casinos are a visible front and provided the shoe in to the lucrative business of online gambling.  This is really where the money is and the base for the money laundering.  And, the US has not been able to stop it, any more than they can stop the drugs that flood into our country, or the money that flows out to pay for those drugs, siphoned through the legal businesses of online gambling in the Caribbean.

And, although Aruba has banking laws recently on the books intended to guard against money laundering, they have not prosecuted even ONE case, ever.

[AZLady]

Excuse me.  I misspoke.  Under pressure from NL, Aruba has prosecuted ONE case of money laundering.  ONE case.  What a joke.

[Blonde]

WTF???  I'm gone for a few hours and come back to see this??? I'm still back on page 5..will catch up in a minute.  

I was looking back in the thread and looked at this picture again and I wanted to point out the sweat outline on Paulus shirt 

  PUKE

[MumInOhio]

Thanks Magnolia!

Lala's...Thank You too. But because Lalas sometimes talks in riddles and all the Monkeys are important, I don't have a clue! Think Angie and I are sharing that one brain cell. :lol:But thanks anyway!

[MumInOhio]

Excuse me.  I misspoke.  Under pressure from NL, Aruba has prosecuted ONE case of money laundering.  ONE case.  What a joke.

Was just reading some old posts last night in Msmaple's 'Murder and Crime' thread last night about this from Anna and Ms Maple. (bottom of page 17), but haven't had a chance to read any further.

[private eye]

I think and believe that in order for this to go any further that the GOOD people of Aruba has to get off their duff's and get involved in this and demand justice not only for Natalee but also for themselves. Sitting back and keeping their mouths shut is not the answer to this problem.  Maybe Jossy needs to rally the people of the island around him and demand an accounting of the goings-on on the island.  If the people cannot rally around then this case is lost.  Mos cannot do it on his own.  It has to be in the interest of the people and that island.  I am so sick of the same old saying "but this will hurt the innocent people of Aruba who had nothing to do with this".  Or "all the people involved are not even Arubans".  If they are not going to be a part of this solution then they are the problem along with the government and judges and the Sloots and Kalpoes.

Thus the justification for subjecting them to a boycott or the implementation of a tarrif on all travel tickets to and from Aruba by the USA

[Nut44x4]

RE: ARUBAN WITNESS WITH B-DAY IN DECEMBER.... this was just posted at RU
Jonathan Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:27 am   
Translation of cocaine witness PV according to "Fierljepper"

We, XX and YY, sergeants with the Korps Politie Aruba and both assigned to the Team Special Projects, decleare the following:

On Thursday 2? September, 2005, around XX:XX hours, we interrogators questioned as a witness the man named:

(name illegible)

Born on Aruba on ?? December 19?? (...) on living street 479? on Aruba.

My statement made in Papiamento, has been, by me NAME, translated into Dutch and put in writing and reads as follows:

I work as a "clerk" ??? for ??? I've recently got a job there.

To your question whether I know something about the disappearance of the American girl Natalee Holloway, I answer you as follows. I am a friend of Joran van der Sloot (with Joran we refer to suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot, remark interrogator). Joran and I both play tennis at the "Aruba Racquet Club". 


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name illegible 
Born on Aruba on ?? December 19?? 

[MumInOhio]

RE: ARUBAN WITNESS WITH B-DAY IN DECEMBER.... this was just posted at RU
Jonathan Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:27 am   
Translation of cocaine witness PV according to "Fierljepper"

We, XX and YY, sergeants with the Korps Politie Aruba and both assigned to the Team Special Projects, decleare the following:

On Thursday 2? September, 2005, around XX:XX hours, we interrogators questioned as a witness the man named:

(name illegible)

Born on Aruba on ?? December 19?? (...) on living street 479? on Aruba.

My statement made in Papiamento, has been, by me NAME, translated into Dutch and put in writing and reads as follows:

I work as a "clerk" ??? for ??? I've recently got a job there.

To your question whether I know something about the disappearance of the American girl Natalee Holloway, I answer you as follows. I am a friend of Joran van der Sloot (with Joran we refer to suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot, remark interrogator). Joran and I both play tennis at the "Aruba Racquet Club". 


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name illegible 
Born on Aruba on ?? December 19?? 

Nut44x4 Do you remember who you and Leslie had excluded? Was Santos one? TIA

[Dayhiker]

I think and believe that in order for this to go any further that the GOOD people of Aruba has to get off their duff's and get involved in this and demand justice not only for Natalee but also for themselves. Sitting back and keeping their mouths shut is not the answer to this problem.  Maybe Jossy needs to rally the people of the island around him and demand an accounting of the goings-on on the island.  If the people cannot rally around then this case is lost.  Mos cannot do it on his own.  It has to be in the interest of the people and that island.  I am so sick of the same old saying "but this will hurt the innocent people of Aruba who had nothing to do with this".  Or "all the people involved are not even Arubans".  If they are not going to be a part of this solution then they are the problem along with the government and judges and the Sloots and Kalpoes.

Thus the justification for subjecting them to a boycott or the implementation of a tarrif on all travel tickets to and from Aruba by the USA

For the next 15 years. The so-called good people only spoke up to protest Beth. We will protest their island.

[Dayhiker]

Excuse me.  I misspoke.  Under pressure from NL, Aruba has prosecuted ONE case of money laundering.  ONE case.  What a joke.

Isn't that pathetic? But not surprising, MEP and the mafia run the island. I suspect all the Dutch judges have been paid off should any participants run afoul of the law.

[WhiskeyGirl]

WTF???  I'm gone for a few hours and come back to see this??? I'm still back on page 5..will catch up in a minute.  

I was looking back in the thread and looked at this picture again and I wanted to point out the sweat outline on Paulus shirt 

  PUKE

Everytime I see this picture, only one thing come to mind -

"Freudian Slip"

[Nut44x4]

RE: ARUBAN WITNESS WITH B-DAY IN DECEMBER.... this was just posted at RU
Jonathan Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:27 am   
Translation of cocaine witness PV according to "Fierljepper"

We, XX and YY, sergeants with the Korps Politie Aruba and both assigned to the Team Special Projects, decleare the following:

On Thursday 2? September, 2005, around XX:XX hours, we interrogators questioned as a witness the man named:

(name illegible)

Born on Aruba on ?? December 19?? (...) on living street 479? on Aruba.

My statement made in Papiamento, has been, by me NAME, translated into Dutch and put in writing and reads as follows:

I work as a "clerk" ??? for ??? I've recently got a job there.

To your question whether I know something about the disappearance of the American girl Natalee Holloway, I answer you as follows. I am a friend of Joran van der Sloot (with Joran we refer to suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot, remark interrogator). Joran and I both play tennis at the "Aruba Racquet Club". 


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name illegible 
Born on Aruba on ?? December 19?? 

Nut44x4 Do you remember who you and Leslie had excluded? Was Santos one? TIA

Santos B-day = Also known as "Dre", born at Sao Paolo in Brazil, on October 15, 1986

[Nut44x4]

Persistence


We have prayed with all our might
For God to please make things right
For a young woman and her family
Who have not been afforded honor and dignity

God has heard our prayers and our plea
And has now set a ship upon the sea
Persistence and a chosen crew is on the way now
With God's angels guiding them from the bow

Our hopes and our prayers are with you
We know you will do the best you can do
To find our precious angel, Natalee
If she is anywhere in that expanse of sea

Although souls are tired as it has been so long
Faith and hope are still strong
Persistent is what we have been and will continue to be
And Persistence will find and return our beloved Natalee

BY lousw @ BFN