Natalee Case Discussion #704 12/11 - 12/18/2007

[fran]

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=459.0
 

Yes, we discussed that at length some time ago.  I agree that Joran didn't go to school that day and had all day to clean up and get rid of evidence.  Also we know that Satish missed school that day too.  The "aced an exam" is BS, there were no exams that day.

Oh thanks Klaasend. I shoulda' known the monkeys wouldn't let something like that fall through without notice by you all.

fran

[Kiwi]

For any who wish to review a bit on Sander by SM front page...
http://scaredmonkeys.com/2006/09/01/natalee-holloway-investigation-sander-gottenbus-june-16-2005-statements/

 How does Sander Gottenbus know every minute detail of Joran Van der Sloot’s “lie”? The Holiday Inn and the initial story that Joran told was a fraud? Not that Joran would not have told him roughly what he claimed to have occurred that night. The problem is in the details.........

So how did he talk so long to get that information without his cell phone since it was stolen? So where was he to have it stolen? Plus, that Sea Pro is a fishing boat and small, 24ft or less. Should have pretty deep gouges from the fish trap since it"s the wrong style boat for a large fish trap. But they probably already looked at it, right?

[Nut44x4]

Thanks for the name Klaas. I think it is weird that Alexander Gottenbos doesn't even exist other than in the Natalee Holloway case. Hell....even I am on google, lol.

[klaasend]

Thanks for the name Klaas. I think it is weird that Alexander Gottenbos doesn't even exist other than in the Natalee Holloway case. Hell....even I am on google, lol.

He exists in Georgia and he used to exist in Aruba for his Insurance firm.

[dennisintn]

sander used the boat sunday afternoon and possibly after dark.  did he trailer it when finished or left it at a dock?  i thought the thinking was that they used the boat monday afternoon and evening to take the body to sea.  was koen back then from the u.s.?  was koen missing school to be in the u.s. for a party?
dennisintn

[klaasend]

Images captured in 2005 regarding Alexander Gottenbos:

[Kiwi]

sander used the boat sunday afternoon and possibly after dark.  did he trailer it when finished or left it at a dock?  i thought the thinking was that they used the boat monday afternoon and evening to take the body to sea.  was koen back then from the u.s.?  was koen missing school to be in the u.s. for a party?
dennisintn

If they were working on it at the house then they have a trailer. But they may have dock it over night. Plus they did forensics on the tow vehicle right?

[klaasend]

sander used the boat sunday afternoon and possibly after dark.  did he trailer it when finished or left it at a dock?  i thought the thinking was that they used the boat monday afternoon and evening to take the body to sea.  was koen back then from the u.s.?  was koen missing school to be in the u.s. for a party?
dennisintn

If they were working on it at the house then they have a trailer. But they may have dock it over night. Plus they did forensics on the tow vehicle right?

We have no way of knowing if they did any forensics at all on either the boat or the trailer:

[blah]

their idea of forensics is tossing some human remains in a desk drawer and then go have a sandwich.  If anyone ever asks about the bone - just tell them it was from a donkey or an old pirate.

I really doubt they have ever done any kind of forensics on anything related to this case.

[blah]

Tim Miller or someone from TES gave Jacobs a piece of plastic they dug out of the suspected grave site they were searching.  Jacobs threw it away.

They gave him a belt they found near the same spot that a cadaver dog had a hit and he said it was just an old belt and threw it away.

This means he either new what and where the body was and knew these things had nothing to do with the case or he was part of the cover up.


there have been no forensics.

[JA]

I know little about fishing traps.  If it was toobig for this type of boat, or if it would damage the boat, is there any way Natalee could have been placed in the trap in the water or on the beach? Then the trap draged by the boat until they decided to weight it and drop it at sea?

What would Sander be doing out that late on a school night?  Is it a normal habit to go out on a boat by yourself that late at night?  There had to have been more involved if this went down, than Joran and one of the Gottenbos boys.

Do we know for a FACT that the Gottenbos' boat was out that night?  If so, how do we know this?

Could the Gottenbos been painting, cleaning or repairing boat from minor damage?  From the little I have heard about the Gottenbos boys, I could see Sander being more involved than Koen.  From the early MYspace etc. sites he looked like he had a "wilder" side than Koen. Then the trap dragged by the boat until they decided to weight it and drop it at sea?

[Kiwi]

Tim Miller or someone from TES gave Jacobs a piece of plastic they dug out of the suspected grave site they were searching.  Jacobs threw it away.

They gave him a belt they found near the same spot that a cadaver dog had a hit and he said it was just an old belt and threw it away.

This means he either new what and where the body was and knew these things had nothing to do with the case or he was part of the cover up.


there have been no forensics.

Kind of like the park ranger finding the fabric on the beach. Just fish nets.

[JA]

I'm sure there has been a lot of possible evidence and testimony in this case , leads etc that have been dismissed as being "nothing."  Most of them we probably don't even know about. 

[Frank]

just a piece about Gottenbos and I've written about it, whenever I used his name in a title on my blog, the hits from the Hague were 5-10 times higher. All from different IP's.

I am not a big proponent of the connections to the Hague theories but this was something interesting.

[Lala'sMom]

Lala's this is what Truthseeker posted this morning

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:18 pm Post subject: GSM Orwellian
What is wrong? The brothers had to be separated. The Babylonians have layed it thick and hard, but couldn't get what they asked for.

Tricked out cars and pc's. One decided to stay home and the other went to help. The Babylonians knew he was a bifrons. He bleeped on the screen all the way to Bill's lodgings.

And what do you think it means?

[JA]

just a piece about Gottenbos and I've written about it, whenever I used his name in a title on my blog, the hits from the Hague were 5-10 times higher. All from different IP's.

I am not a big proponent of the connections to the Hague theories but this was something interesting.

Very interesting Frank. . .

[Helen Back]

Zoltan Zion blogspot this afternoon announcing that a "source" has confirmed that the person in the casino video is definitely Paulus van der Sloot.  Also confirming that Van Der Straaten was definitely at the party at the Sloots after Joran's release from his original detention.

[blah]

I know little about fishing traps.  If it was toobig for this type of boat, or if it would damage the boat, is there any way Natalee could have been placed in the trap in the water or on the beach? Then the trap draged by the boat until they decided to weight it and drop it at sea?

What would Sander be doing out that late on a school night?  Is it a normal habit to go out on a boat by yourself that late at night?  There had to have been more involved if this went down, than Joran and one of the Gottenbos boys.

Do we know for a FACT that the Gottenbos' boat was out that night?  If so, how do we know this?

Could the Gottenbos been painting, cleaning or repairing boat from minor damage?  From the little I have heard about the Gottenbos boys, I could see Sander being more involved than Koen.  From the early MYspace etc. sites he looked like he had a "wilder" side than Koen. Then the trap dragged by the boat until they decided to weight it and drop it at sea?

yes.
I think both Dave, Beth have confirmed it.  One of the suspects may have evn confirmed it but dont quote me on that,

[blah]

just a piece about Gottenbos and I've written about it, whenever I used his name in a title on my blog, the hits from the Hague were 5-10 times higher. All from different IP's.

I am not a big proponent of the connections to the Hague theories but this was something interesting.

is that a popular name over there?

[Kiwi]

I know little about fishing traps.  If it was toobig for this type of boat, or if it would damage the boat, is there any way Natalee could have been placed in the trap in the water or on the beach? Then the trap draged by the boat until they decided to weight it and drop it at sea?

What would Sander be doing out that late on a school night?  Is it a normal habit to go out on a boat by yourself that late at night?  There had to have been more involved if this went down, than Joran and one of the Gottenbos boys.

Do we know for a FACT that the Gottenbos' boat was out that night?  If so, how do we know this?

Could the Gottenbos been painting, cleaning or repairing boat from minor damage?  From the little I have heard about the Gottenbos boys, I could see Sander being more involved than Koen.  From the early MYspace etc. sites he looked like he had a "wilder" side than Koen. Then the trap dragged by the boat until they decided to weight it and drop it at sea?

yes.
I think both Dave, Beth have confirmed it.  One of the suspects may have evn confirmed it but dont quote me on that,

Yes I agree on the boat being to small or they would have damaged the interior. I've tried towing objects that are not rafts and usually you end up breaking the rope. Lets hope so either way.