Natalee Case Discussion #704 12/11 - 12/18/2007

[Nut44x4]

I do not believe it was towed. It was placed on the boat and when they got to 'the spot'....they pushed it over.

[Nut44x4]

Perhaps that's why they were working on the boat in the days following ...

[JA]

Sander must go to a US HS, or is he out of school yet?

Is Koen in college in Holland, or is he just living there?  Do we know where in Holland?  Close to Joran?

[BUCKSHOT]

Tim Miller or someone from TES gave Jacobs a piece of plastic they dug out of the suspected grave site they were searching.  Jacobs threw it away.

They gave him a belt they found near the same spot that a cadaver dog had a hit and he said it was just an old belt and threw it away.

This means he either new what and where the body was and knew these things had nothing to do with the case or he was part of the cover up.


there have been no forensics.

as sad as it sounds - that is porbably how it went.

clues and evidence disappeared like magic.
david copperfield would have been proud.

[klaasend]

Sander must go to a US HS, or is he out of school yet?

Is Koen in college in Holland, or is he just living there?  Do we know where in Holland?  Close to Joran?

Sander was going to school in Georgia but the last I heard he was playing soccer in the NL.  Not sure if Sander is still in the USA or not, probably not.  Koen I believe is in the NL but not 100% sure.

[JA]

Perhaps that's why they were working on the boat in the days following ...

Maybe they originally told dad it was damaged another way. When dad heard what happened to Natalee, knew the boat had been out, and knew his sons were friends with Joran, he may have put two and two together without asking.

Knowing the ramifications he may have not wanted to know and told the boys to just keep quiet ( sounds all too common on that island.),

He may have wanted wanted to destroy any possible evidence and get Koen out of there.

I remeber reading at oen tiem that the Kotenbos' boat was sold in the summer of 2005.  Does anyone else remeber that?

[Kiwi]

Perhaps that's why they were working on the boat in the days following ...

A whole lot of gel coat thats going to match the trap exactly. Especially since the flooring is rough on the boat. I saw that boat posted by Hot Shot more than a year ago.

[BUCKSHOT]

Perhaps that's why they were working on the boat in the days following ...

...working on it with leftover bleach from deepak's chocolate candy bar.
...and used satish's vacuum cleaner from all the ants.
...joran was in the cabin studying for his exams.
...freddy was doing a documentary.
...jacobs was in the house eating frosted flakes.
...judge smid was near the gate to stop search warrants.
...paulus was still playing poker from the night before, although he did make a stop or two at mcdonalds for late night snack.

[Tylergal]

just a piece about Gottenbos and I've written about it, whenever I used his name in a title on my blog, the hits from the Hague were 5-10 times higher. All from different IP's.

I am not a big proponent of the connections to the Hague theories but this was something interesting.

The Gottenbos family is related to the Sloots and Anita has her connections, possibly Paulus too but my understanding is that those connections came via Anita early on.

[Tylergal]

Perhaps that's why they were working on the boat in the days following ...

Maybe they originally told dad it was damaged another way. When dad heard what happened to Natalee, knew the boat had been out, and knew his sons were friends with Joran, he may have put two and two together without asking.

Knowing the ramifications he may have not wanted to know and told the boys to just keep quiet ( sounds all too common on that island.),

He may have wanted wanted to destroy any possible evidence and get Koen out of there.

I remeber reading at oen tiem that the Kotenbos' boat was sold in the summer of 2005.  Does anyone else remeber that?

yes.

[JA]

Perhaps that's why they were working on the boat in the days following ...

...working on it with leftover bleach from deepak's chocolate candy bar.
...and used satish's vacuum cleaner from all the ants.
...joran was in the cabin studying for his exams.
...freddy was doing a documentary.
...jacobs was in the house eating frosted flakes.
...judge smid was near the gate to stop search warrants.
...paulus was still playing poker from the night before, although he did make a stop or two at mcdonalds for late night snack.

Let's not forget Satish's hot wings.. . . or was it fried chicken?

[JA]

. . . and Anita was shopping for more blue plaid shirts for Joran.

Perhaps that's why they were working on the boat in the days following ...

...working on it with leftover bleach from deepak's chocolate candy bar.
...and used satish's vacuum cleaner from all the ants.
...joran was in the cabin studying for his exams.
...freddy was doing a documentary.
...jacobs was in the house eating frosted flakes.
...judge smid was near the gate to stop search warrants.
...paulus was still playing poker from the night before, although he did make a stop or two at mcdonalds for late night snack.

Let's not forget Satish's hot wings.. . . or was it fried chicken?

[Dayhiker]

Zoltan Zion blogspot this afternoon announcing that a "source" has confirmed that the person in the casino video is definitely Paulus van der Sloot.  Also confirming that Van Der Straaten was definitely at the party at the Sloots after Joran's release from his original detention.

If this is true it sure as hell makes Mos, Janssen, ALE, KLPD and the rest of that bunch look corrupt as hell. Paulus and the trolls have been denying that was him for 2 1/2 years now. Dutch judges said there were reason to believe there were two contacts by Paulus with Natalee. Even if he didn't pick her and Joran up at McDonalds, when was the first contact? Had to be the casino at the blackjack table.

[Tylergal]

If they were eating meat, they are definitely not Hindu, so what are they?  I think I read where Dompig's son was Jewish.  Do you think they proclaim Judaism so he could eat chicken wings?

[Anna]

The Black & White, Birmingham's City Paper

http://tinyurl.com/37v4ky


By Chuck Geiss

May 17, 2007

New details are emerging in the Natalee Holloway case, almost two years after her disappearance on a high school graduation trip to Aruba.

Investigators from the Netherlands, who have legal authority over the Caribbean island, have recently taken the Holloway case under review as a two-year statute of limitations approaches on May 30, 2007. Recent news that investigators have carried out searches at the residences of the three principal suspects, Joran van der Sloot and Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, have come at an important time according to Vinda de Sousa, the Aruban attorney hired by Natalee's father, Dave Holloway.

"According to Article 6 of the European Treaty for Human Rights, suspects of a crime involved in a stalled case are given a certain period of time, which has been ruled by the Dutch Supreme Court to be a period of two years, to be prosecuted for those crimes," de Sousa says. "However, [there are] circumstances, including the complexity of the case, the demeanor of the suspects, and other considerations, that allow leeway for suspects to be prosecuted should any 'new' evidence in the case surface, even after the two-year period."

As these ambiguous legal statutes now play out, it appears that the Dutch authorities have a sense of urgency to uncover evidence before the May 30 deadline.

Aruban authorities have clearly botched the case. In a letter to the attorney general of Aruba dated November 1, 2005, an attorney for Dave Holloway requested the replacement of the entire Aruban investigative and prosecutorial team, citing the following incidents as proof that the group was unprofessional and inept.

1. After arriving on the island, Holloway went to the Noord Police Station and asked to speak with the lead detective on the case. In response to Holloway's questions, detective Dennis Jacobs asked "How much money do you have?" He also told Holloway to "just go on down to Carlos and Charlie's and have a beer, she'll show up sometime."

2. According to Holloway, the prime suspect, Joran van der Sloot, told Jacobs, "I think that Deepak killed Natalee and buried her body," yet Jacobs failed to follow up with any questions at all as to the circumstances surrounding that event or where the body might be located.

3. Statements taken by Jacobs from Natalee's mother, Beth Twitty, were translated from English to Dutch and later back to English, but in their final form they in no way represented what she had told Jacobs.

4. Evidence found at the sand dunes by a professional investigator named Fred Golba that included a belt possibly worn by van der Sloot (determined from a photograph) and pieces of plastic (consistent with trash bag liners that might have been used in discarding a body) were collected, turned over to Jacobs, and later discarded by him as "meaningless."

5. In July of 2005, a tourist found a bone on the beach with flesh intact that appeared to be a human shoulder and turned it in to the Noord Police Station; Jacobs and his team discarded this evidence.

6. One of three girls who had accused van der Sloot of rape charges following the disappearance of Holloway led her attorney to believe that she had decided to change her story after receiving a phone call from Jacobs.

7. Deputy Chief of Police Gerald Dompig advised Beth Twitty that she had made a poor choice in hiring Aruban attorney Helen Lejuez to represent her and claimed that she had mental problems. What he failed to mention was that Lejuez had represented his wife in their divorce settlement.

Dompig, who has since been replaced in the investigation without explanation, is an important character. Under his leadership, the investigation into Holloway's disappearance was lethargic in responding to events of the day and fraught with mysterious statements. Dompig was responsible for leaking news on June 12, 2005, that one of the boys had confessed and had admitted that "something bad happened to Natalee." This sensational news eventually turned out to be a hoax orchestrated solely by him. Dompig repeatedly offered the family and media the statement that "the investigation is reaching a critical moment," words that turned out to be hollow and, over time, enormously annoying. Eyebrows were raised when Dompig's son, Michael, was arrested and detained, in April of 2006, for being involved in the case. Dompig himself was later dismissed from office with little fanfare in June of 2006.

Holloway's immaculate disappearance, along with the fact that apparently none of the primary suspects are worried that her body might ever be found, suggests that a conspiracy might exist. Joran's father, Paulus van der Sloot, told the boys early in the investigation that "where there is no body, there is no case." During taped conversations in the back of a police car shortly after their arrest, Joran is heard telling Deepak, "I will laugh if they find the girl alive."

Joran has offered four different accounts of what happened the night that Holloway went missing: The boys dropped her off at the hotel (an admitted lie); Deepak and Satish dropped Joran and Natalee at the beach north of the Marriott Hotel, Joran left her there, and later called Deepak for a ride home; Joran left her at the beach and walked home; and Joran left her at the beach and Satish gave him a ride home. There are good reasons to believe that none of these stories are true.

New searches being conducted by Dutch authorities suggest that Natalee might actually have been driven to Joran's home where she met her fate. While they dig around the van der Sloot compound and the Kalpoes home at this very late date, they might want to also take some other facts into consideration.

First, there were no searches conducted by the Aruban police of the suspects' cars or homes for 10 days following Holloway's disappearance. Deepak was seen by neighbors cleaning his car at 4 a.m. on the night of her disappearance with a substance that was later determined to be bleach (he initially testified that he was removing sand from the car, and later changed his story to say that he was getting rid of ants).

Videotapes from the hotel casino appear to show Paulus gambling with Natalee the night of her disappearance (a very strange coincidence). In front of several witnesses, Paulus van der Sloot stated on May 31 that he had picked up Joran at a McDonald's at 4 a.m. the night of Holloway's disappearance (a disclosure that completely discredits the testimony of the boys' timeline of activities during the evening's critical events). Electronic bank records indicate that Paulus withdrew three large amounts of cash from an ATM around 4 a.m.

One must wonder why these three boys would leave home late on a Sunday night to meet at a bar that was closing in 30 minutes. Joran coaxed Deepak and Satish into that very scenario, arriving at 12:30 a.m. at a bar that closes at 1 a.m., where Natalee and her Mountain Brook friends were spending their last night on the island. Local boys engaging girls on the last night of their vacation and taking advantage of them is a notoriously popular activity in Aruba.

There is an abundance of information relating to Holloway's disappearance that has not been properly investigated. It is clear that Aruban law enforcement authorities are either incapable or unwilling to get to the bottom of the matter. Whether Dutch authorities can remains to be seen.

[Dayhiker]

just a piece about Gottenbos and I've written about it, whenever I used his name in a title on my blog, the hits from the Hague were 5-10 times higher. All from different IP's.

I am not a big proponent of the connections to the Hague theories but this was something interesting.

The Gottenbos family is related to the Sloots and Anita has her connections, possibly Paulus too but my understanding is that those connections came via Anita early on.

I believe the Hague connections if for no other reason that the Dutch sat back on their fat asses and watched this whole investigation being run as a transparent scam and did nothing. Nobody can convince me they could not have stepped in if they had wanted. They are Aruba's tit.

[Anna]

I don't know what page but I have this saved from a PM from someone I trust who is usually right.

Quote:

Finally, the 10th witness. And in his book, Dave says Michael Dompig put Paul vdS in the Gottenboes' boat -not Joran.

Don't have my copy of book at hand.  But this is as I remember it and it was on Monday that Michael said this happened, wasn't it?

[Anna]

Perhaps that's why they were working on the boat in the days following ...

Maybe they originally told dad it was damaged another way. When dad heard what happened to Natalee, knew the boat had been out, and knew his sons were friends with Joran, he may have put two and two together without asking.

Knowing the ramifications he may have not wanted to know and told the boys to just keep quiet ( sounds all too common on that island.),

He may have wanted wanted to destroy any possible evidence and get Koen out of there.

I remeber reading at oen tiem that the Kotenbos' boat was sold in the summer of 2005.  Does anyone else remeber that?

yes.

To Scubajap or did she buy the von Loon's father's boat?  She bought one that was connected in some way or other, can't recall now it has been so long ago.

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[Tylergal]

I just want to thank Klaas, Red, Tom, Dugga, et al, for this site. Such a respite from the other sites claiming any degree of concern for Natalee's plight.

[Tylergal]

Perhaps that's why they were working on the boat in the days following ...

Maybe they originally told dad it was damaged another way. When dad heard what happened to Natalee, knew the boat had been out, and knew his sons were friends with Joran, he may have put two and two together without asking.

Knowing the ramifications he may have not wanted to know and told the boys to just keep quiet ( sounds all too common on that island.),

He may have wanted wanted to destroy any possible evidence and get Koen out of there.

I remeber reading at oen tiem that the Kotenbos' boat was sold in the summer of 2005.  Does anyone else remeber that?

yes.

To Scubajap or did she buy the von Loon's father's boat?  She bought one that was connected in some way or other, can't recall now it has been so long ago.

.

That was what I was wondering, Anna, and I am thinking that we were told she had connection to both boats.  Her family is in the business of water entertainment, so it could be they bought both boats.  Anything she can do to take the spotlight of suspicion off the sporter.