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Author Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #704 12/11 - 12/18/2007  (Read 249404 times)
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« Reply #140 on: December 11, 2007, 08:12:15 PM »

I don't know what page but I have this saved from a PM from someone I trust who is usually right.

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Finally, the 10th witness. And in his book, Dave says Michael Dompig put Paul vdS in the Gottenboes' boat -not Joran.

Don't have my copy of book at hand.  But this is as I remember it and it was on Monday that Michael said this happened, wasn't it?

Hi Anna! It's been quite a while sine I've read Dave's book and I'm sick with pneumonia so maybe it's the fever, but I don't remember that from the book. I do have it here, and would be glad to look it up. Got any idea the approximate location in the book?
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« Reply #141 on: December 11, 2007, 08:15:40 PM »

Wait.........I've got it. I'll post it.
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« Reply #142 on: December 11, 2007, 08:16:21 PM »

I don't know what page but I have this saved from a PM from someone I trust who is usually right.

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Finally, the 10th witness. And in his book, Dave says Michael Dompig put Paul vdS in the Gottenboes' boat -not Joran.

Don't have my copy of book at hand.  But this is as I remember it and it was on Monday that Michael said this happened, wasn't it?

any idea what chapter or where in the book?  I have a copy I could look it up real quick
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« Reply #143 on: December 11, 2007, 08:18:01 PM »

Zoltan Zion blogspot this afternoon announcing that a "source" has confirmed that the person in the casino video is definitely Paulus van der Sloot.  Also confirming that Van Der Straaten was definitely at the party at the Sloots after Joran's release from his original detention.



If this is true it sure as hell makes Mos, Janssen, ALE, KLPD and the rest of that bunch look corrupt as hell. Paulus and the trolls have been denying that was him for 2 1/2 years now. Dutch judges said there were reason to believe there were two contacts by Paulus with Natalee. Even if he didn't pick her and Joran up at McDonalds, when was the first contact? Had to be the casino at the blackjack table.

Jossy Mansur and Kimberly Guilfoyle's sources claim that Paulus van der Sloot was the man in the security recording who was conversing with Natalee Holloway.  Inquiring minds want to know why both  Joran and Paulus lied regarding when Paulus left the casino.  Both father and son claim the the exodus took place half-way during the Poker tournament ... prior to Joran's encounter with the MB students at the Black Jack table.

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Kimberly Guilfoyle
THE LINEUP
June 9, 2006

 
FUILFOYLE: It has been one year since the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Unfortunately we are left now with more questions than answers. What we do know is that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were the last people seen with Natalee Holloway, which is the reason why they still remain to this day the main suspects in the case. As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino.


Jossy Mansur
Dana Pretzer Show
December 14, 2006


PRETZER: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

MANSUR: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.


Joran Van der Sloot
On the Record w/ Greta
March 1, 2006

 
VAN DER SLOOT: .... And yes, so my dad had come with me. And halfway through, he — because my mom at the time was in Holland, halfway through, he had to go back home to my little brother because he was home alone. And I took his place at the poker tournament because I had lost earlier. So I went in and I took his place and I played for him.
 

Paulus Van der Sloot
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June 18, 2005


On May 29th 2005, at approximately 16.00 hours, I went with Joran to the “Free Carribean Stud Tournament” in the Holiday Inn. During the break, at approximately 18.30 hours, I went back home. My youngest son Sebastian who was playing at a friends house was due to be dropped off at home around that time. Joran, with my permission, took over my seat because he had been eliminated earlier
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« Reply #144 on: December 11, 2007, 08:22:33 PM »

pg.118-119/ARUBA

He (Gerold Dompig's son). then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly invololved with Natalee's murder. That brought to mind one of Joran's statements. He had referred to friend by the name of Koen Gottenbos. Apparently this friend's father owned a boat. The message was that this boat had been used to take Natalee out to sea. Another boat that was also mention by him was the Pair A Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.
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« Reply #145 on: December 11, 2007, 08:22:45 PM »

Aruba reports their health problems with the same lack of accuracy and zeal with which the report crimes.

We know they have had a death but look how they are not reporting it to the proper global information clearing center,  Guess that's something else that would be bad for tourists so they just don't report it.  No telling what goes on in the disease area since they do not participate with information gathering process the way all civilized countries do.

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Archive Number 20071211.3989
Published Date 11-DEC-2007
Subject PRO/EDR> Dengue/DHF update (48)

DENGUE/DHF UPDATE 2007 (48)
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A ProMED-mail post
<http://www.promedmail.org>
ProMED-mail is a program of the
International Society for Infectious Diseases
<http://www.isid.org>

In this update:
[1] Indonesia (Jakarta)
[2] Indonesia (Central Java)
[3] Indonesia (East Java)
[4] Indonesia (East Kalimantan)
[5] Indonesia (South Sulaweisi)
[6] Indonesia (North Sulaweisi)
[7] Pakistan (Rawalpindi)
[8] Brazil (Ceara)
[9] Brazil (Sao Paulo state)

No Aruba.  Who knows what disease lurks there unreported.

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« Reply #146 on: December 11, 2007, 08:23:23 PM »

It is Paulus in the casino video...we know this by his hairline...it's him...we know this by the fact that the RU has never said it's anyone else...it's him...otherwise they would be screaming the person's name at the top of their lungs.  Placing Paulus there at that time with Natalee when both he and Joran claimed he was home with the other two kids would be a big clue to what really happened and the fact that Paulus had met Natalee before Joran brought her home later that night.  It is Paulus...I have no doubt.  Now, if I am wrong prove it to me RU....I am waiting. Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #147 on: December 11, 2007, 08:23:57 PM »

I don't know what page but I have this saved from a PM from someone I trust who is usually right.

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Finally, the 10th witness. And in his book, Dave says Michael Dompig put Paul vdS in the Gottenboes' boat -not Joran.

Don't have my copy of book at hand.  But this is as I remember it and it was on Monday that Michael said this happened, wasn't it?

Hi Anna! It's been quite a while sine I've read Dave's book and I'm sick with pneumonia so maybe it's the fever, but I don't remember that from the book. I do have it here, and would be glad to look it up. Got any idea the approximate location in the book?

cbb ... I hope you are feeling better soon.  Lots of stuff going around this time of year.

Take care.

Janet
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« Reply #148 on: December 11, 2007, 08:24:05 PM »

pg.118-119/ARUBA

He (Gerold Dompig's son). then started talking about the case, and during this conversation he mentioned that he had heard that Paulus van der Sloot had borrowed a friend's boat on either the night of Natalee's disappearance or the next day and that he was allegedly invololved with Natalee's murder. That brought to mind one of Joran's statements. He had referred to friend by the name of Koen Gottenbos. Apparently this friend's father owned a boat. The message was that this boat had been used to take Natalee out to sea. Another boat that was also mention by him was the Pair A Dice, which is a local boat from Aruba.


Yes, that's it.  Thank you.

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« Reply #149 on: December 11, 2007, 08:30:00 PM »

Crazy Baby Borg, take care.   I hope you will be doing much better soon. I have had that community-acquired pneumonia this year, it was asthma and bronchitis, but it turned out to be pneumonia.  Take care you do not relapse, do what the doctors say and if you are not better soon, go back to see doctor.  Influenza-A is spreading in and around your area also.

Lala's, you know they cannot prove it.  If they even attempted, it would be with multiple compounded lies.  The only thing they ever seemingly did well, was lie.
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« Reply #150 on: December 11, 2007, 08:35:25 PM »

Well, Michael Dompig was a huge liar according to his own father.  But was he?

If he is telling the truth, then we know who disposed of Natalee it would seem it was Paulus the next day.

I have always believed that Joran did put in an appearance at school but the headmaster said he was late and Paulus brought him.  I think Joran was still intoxicated and blathering one too much so Paulus came back and got him later in the day to shut him up.  But he had already told that story about Natalee hitting her head and he disposed of the body by pushing her out to sea. 

But we have been up against PR firm spin from the start not just Renfro and Purcell lies but the real pros not to mention the same from The Netherlands.

It's no wonder we are confused.  That was the idea from the start. 

There have been pros on the job and a tremendous amount of money spent to shape public perceptions in this.  Not about Sloots but about the big money on the island from the sleaze, tourists and financial irregularities.

My Opinion Only.

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« Reply #151 on: December 11, 2007, 08:39:27 PM »

It is Paulus in the casino video...we know this by his hairline...it's him...we know this by the fact that the RU has never said it's anyone else...it's him...otherwise they would be screaming the person's name at the top of their lungs.  Placing Paulus there at that time with Natalee when both he and Joran claimed he was home with the other two kids would be a big clue to what really happened and the fact that Paulus had met Natalee before Joran brought her home later that night.  It is Paulus...I have no doubt.  Now, if I am wrong prove it to me RU....I am waiting. Rolling Eyes

You're exactly right, Lala's. I'm not so sure I could be so positive about it soley from the video, but when you consider that no one ever produced the video of this man entering or exiting the casino where a "front view" could clearly determine whether it was Paulus or not, and the other things you mentioned, I have no doubt whatsoever it is Paulus.
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« Reply #152 on: December 11, 2007, 08:42:00 PM »

If this is true it sure as hell makes Mos, Janssen, ALE, KLPD and the rest of that bunch look corrupt as hell. Paulus and the trolls have been denying that was him for 2 1/2 years now. Dutch judges said there were reason to believe there were two contacts by Paulus with Natalee. Even if he didn't pick her and Joran up at McDonalds, when was the first contact? Had to be the casino at the blackjack table.

Jossy Mansur and Kimberly Guilfoyle's sources claim that Paulus van der Sloot was the man in the security recording who was conversing with Natalee Holloway.  Inquiring minds want to know why both  Joran and Paulus lied regarding when Paulus left the casino.  Both father and son claim the the exodus took place half-way during the Poker tournament ... prior to Joran's encounter with the MB students at the Black Jack table.

Janet

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Kimberly Guilfoyle
THE LINEUP
June 9, 2006

 
FUILFOYLE: It has been one year since the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Unfortunately we are left now with more questions than answers. What we do know is that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers were the last people seen with Natalee Holloway, which is the reason why they still remain to this day the main suspects in the case. As for Paulus, sources say he is the person next to Natalie in the casino.


Jossy Mansur
Dana Pretzer Show
December 14, 2006


PRETZER: When you look at this case, a question keeps coming up. I am looking at the picture on my PC. It is the alleged picture of a person in the casino with Natalee that looks a lot like Paul. Has there been any update on this issue?

MANSUR: There have not been any change of opinion. People, including people in the casino say that is Paul.



This is just one of the reasons the Dutch will keep the case files under wraps even if they close the case. They can't allow all of this incriminating information on the casino, boat, etc. to get out. They will look worse than they already do. Does it go all the way to the Hague? Sure it does.
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« Reply #153 on: December 11, 2007, 08:42:07 PM »

Can someone help me? I know you've posted it somewhere but the "forensics" goon with Tacopina, what do we know about him?
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« Reply #154 on: December 11, 2007, 08:44:16 PM »

Could someone that has Dave's book tell me where this is mentioned in the book? TIA

This is from the Grey Whisper posts...yes, more codetalk...sorry.

7:27 PM
Dan in Tx said...
So Whisper is a Koko fan eh? Or does Koko have a doppelganger like Simian did? Koko isn't welcome here so let's hope not.

The real export is porn...or girls...or both.

So Whisper...DO the Babylonians make movies? Read Dave's book- he saw one of the places Freddy works.

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« Reply #155 on: December 11, 2007, 08:45:09 PM »

Not sure why Paul would lie about meeting and talking to Natalee at exactly 20:14 unless he was part of the pimps plan what they did with Natalee that night.



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« Reply #156 on: December 11, 2007, 08:46:13 PM »

where is the Persistance, are they doing ok?  Are they going to make it to Aruba tomorrow as planned?  Is the one guy still updating their website - I lost the link.
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« Reply #157 on: December 11, 2007, 08:47:05 PM »

Can someone help me? I know you've posted it somewhere but the "forensics" goon with Tacopina, what do we know about him?

Here is some info on him:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Archer
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« Reply #158 on: December 11, 2007, 08:47:45 PM »

Well, Michael Dompig was a huge liar according to his own father.  But was he?

If he is telling the truth, then we know who disposed of Natalee it would seem it was Paulus the next day.

I have always believed that Joran did put in an appearance at school but the headmaster said he was late and Paulus brought him.  I think Joran was still intoxicated and blathering one too much so Paulus came back and got him later in the day to shut him up.  But he had already told that story about Natalee hitting her head and he disposed of the body by pushing her out to sea. 

But we have been up against PR firm spin from the start not just Renfro and Purcell lies but the real pros not to mention the same from The Netherlands.

It's no wonder we are confused.  That was the idea from the start. 

There have been pros on the job and a tremendous amount of money spent to shape public perceptions in this.  Not about Sloots but about the big money on the island from the sleaze, tourists and financial irregularities.

My Opinion Only.

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I've never made up my mind about that Anna. Scratches were said to have been seen on Joran the next day or the day after that, but in Paulus's statement, he couldn't make up his mind whether Joran had gone to school or not, rode the bus or he took him or he rode with a friend, etc. That's way too unbelievable to swallow. They had been confronted by police in the wee hours of the morning and accused of kidnapping. Nobody forgets the events of the day before or after that under those circumstances.

Tacky's Rosemary said he took an exam the next day and made an A when exams were not scheduled for that week. This I do believe: Anita could easily arrange record of his attendance whether he was there or not.
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« Reply #159 on: December 11, 2007, 08:47:49 PM »

where is the Persistance, are they doing ok?  Are they going to make it to Aruba tomorrow as planned?  Is the one guy still updating their website - I lost the link.

Tropical storm OLGA is giving them some problems now and their expected arrival is Saturday.
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