Natalee Case Discussion #704 12/11 - 12/18/2007

[BUCKSHOT]

pretty neat how the arubans can declare paulus to no longer be a suspect in NH disappearance while the case was still ongoing...

dennis jacobs and jan van der straaten were probably presiding that day over the courts. jacobs took the case, while eating his breakfast of choice - frosted flakes. boeti was the stenographer.

[BUCKSHOT]

Aruba and its officials probably spent more time blocking the investigation / monitoring the family's whereabouts / examining their every move then investigating the crime and its perpetrators.

They (ALE) all knew what happened within 2-3 days.

It was like the Hollway / Twitty family was a gerbil inside of a maze trying to reach a piece of cheese. After a while, when the gerbil finally reached the cheese, after long painstaking strides, the ALE (on the outside of the cage) would lift them by the tail and place them back at 'START.'

The family had no idea what they were up against initially.  They assumed the legal system to operate somewhat congruent to that of the USA.  It took a while to figure out that everyhting was not above board and, by that point, it may have been too late.  WOW - the thought of people inserted into the picture to intentionally misguide the family, steering them in the wrong direction, give them poor advice, distracting them on one part of the island to prevent them from seeing the truth on the opposite end of the island. CRUEL. The family was so disadvantaged from the onset - they didn't stand a chance.

[Anna]

Anna, it is possible they put Natalee on the boat that night and then figured out
what to do the next day..

Or in the shed at the Sloots or buried her by the FH, or in the spot Tim Miller found or on and on, Robots.

Way too many clues were cranked out and fabricated very early.  Too many paths to take to make it  impossible to find out what really happened.

What was Deepak up to with his car at the Sloots right before Beth arrived? 

Can Sander drive the boat around by himself and is he allowed to do that?  If not, there had to be an adult involved and they protect the adults like anything.

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[BUCKSHOT]

Anna, it is possible they put Natalee on the boat that night and then figured out
what to do the next day..

Or in the shed at the Sloots or buried her by the FH, or in the spot Tim Miller found or on and on, Robots.

Way too many clues were cranked out and fabricated very early.  Too many paths to take to make it  impossible to find out what really happened.

What was Deepak up to with his car at the Sloots right before Beth arrived? deepak and joran did not look like they had just come from a casino, according to beth. sweaty, not well dressed, etc..
Can Sander drive the boat around by himself and is he allowed to do that?  If not, there had to be an adult involved and they protect the adults like anything. kids can do whatever the hell they want to in aruba (gamble, hook school, etc...) driving a boat all alone is a piece of cake, especially the night before school. uncle paully could supervise, if necessary.

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[Anna]

Aruba and its officials probably spent more time blocking the investigation / monitoring the family's whereabouts / examining their every move then investigating the crime and its perpetrators.

They (ALE) all knew what happened within 2-3 days.

It was like the Holloway / Twitty family was a gerbil inside of a maze trying to reach a piece of cheese. After a while, when the gerbil finally reached the cheese, after long painstaking strides, the ALE (on the outside of the cage) would lift them by the tail and place them back at 'START.'

The family had no idea what they were up against initially.  They assumed the legal system to operate somewhat congruent to that of the USA.  It took a while to figure out that everything was not above board and, by that point, it may have been too late.  WOW - the thought of people inserted into the picture to intentionally misguide the family, steering them in the wrong direction, give them poor advice, distracting them on one part of the island to prevent them from seeing the truth on the opposite end of the island. CRUEL. The family was so disadvantaged from the onset - they didn't stand a chance.

Or they would move the cheese and put up a wall so the family couldn't even find their way back to the start, but that's a very good analogy in my opinion.  Think of all the fake sightings and ALE actually hauling the family out in the middle of the night to see a forty year old woman with dark hair, things like that.  What purpose did doing cruel things like that serve other than to torment the family?

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[BUCKSHOT]

any other ideas for solution to the finding out the reaql truth??

take money raised for natalee holloway fund. accumulate until it reached a target dollar amount.

someone, behind the scenes, broker a deal with (for example) Dompig. if he wrote a tell-all book, revealing everything he knows about the investigation, i bet it could have potential to reach best seller status.

money may have to flex its muscle as a parallel to other means in extracting the whole truth regarding events dating back to May2005 through present.

food for thought.......

[2NJSons_Mom]

any other ideas for solution to the finding out the reaql truth??

take money raised for natalee holloway fund. accumulate until it reached a target dollar amount.

someone, behind the scenes, broker a deal with (for example) Dompig. if he wrote a tell-all book, revealing everything he knows about the investigation, i bet it could have potential to reach best seller status.

money may have to flex its muscle as a parallel to other means in extracting the whole truth regarding events dating back to May2005 through present.

food for thought.......

What are you talking about?

[BUCKSHOT]

Shango Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze

Shango Says:
June 27th, 2005 at 10:31 pm
Mary never heard the buoy toll
ask the men who play dice and “roll”

dice= a boat named 'pair a dice' as shown a few pages back ???

[Kat_Gram]

Posted by Victor (Lazlo) at Scrux:

Victor



Joined: 16 Nov 2006
Posts: 43

 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:48 am    Post subject:   

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Missing person's cases never get closed.
 

No, they just get pushed to the back of the filing cabinet and no resources are allocated to working on them in Aruba by the Arubans.
Did the KLPD make a report / What did they recommend ? / Is that report public ? Can it be seen by the family ?

[BUCKSHOT]

any other ideas for solution to the finding out the reaql truth??

take money raised for natalee holloway fund. accumulate until it reached a target dollar amount.

someone, behind the scenes, broker a deal with (for example) Dompig. if he wrote a tell-all book, revealing everything he knows about the investigation, i bet it could have potential to reach best seller status.

money may have to flex its muscle as a parallel to other means in extracting the whole truth regarding events dating back to May2005 through present.

food for thought.......

What are you talking about?

since case may be closed soon... how can one find the real truth as to the events that took place that fateful evening. certainly, a corrupt investigator would know. i suggest using NH fund money and broker a tell-all, immunity guaranteed, type of deal where the money and relocation would outweigh the evil money and threats to not do a good job of investigating at the time. dompig was just used for example.

[Observer]

Natalee Holloway: Case closed?
"Prime News" finds out if a lack of evidence means the Natalee Holloway case has hit a dead end.

http://tinyurl.com/27j6fs

[Helen Back]

To satisfy my own curiosity, I searched for Sea Pro 200 series, as far back as mfg. date 1999, and from waht I can tell, they are equipped with GPS.   Maybe it wouldn't be that hard to determine if Gottenbos boat went out that evening or in the following days, and if so, where it went.

That is, if anyone was interested.

[yuknomenot]

Posted by Victor (Lazlo) at Scrux:

Victor



Joined: 16 Nov 2006
Posts: 43

 Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:48 am    Post subject:   

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Missing person's cases never get closed.
 

Could this be why Mos was brought in to announce he was certain Natalee was dead?     This new investigation gives them the excuse to close the case, by pushing it to the back burner, instead of officially closing it.  They don't have to turn over any information to Natalee's family and they begin the New Year as if the last 2 and a half years never happened.

[BUCKSHOT]

jacobs must be pretty experienced to make such 'on the spot' decisions about such potentially important evidence in such a high-profile case.

sample conversations...

investigator: i think we found blood in one of the prime suspects car.
jacobs: nah, to me, it looks like a hershey chocolate bar. since deepak cares about the tidiness of his car so much, maybe we should let him know so he can have it cleaned. if it doesn't come out, we can suggest an automotive body shop that can just swap out his car seats for new.

investigator: this looks like a possible gravesite, with frsh dirt, that could have been used to temporarily dispose of the body
jacobs: nah, but it sure could could be dangerous to tourists. we would not want them to fall in. hand me a shovel - this needs to be filled in right away.

investigator: here is a belt, which looks similar to one that joran owns. i found it at the lighthouse area, where the boys suggested they took natalee.
jacobs: nah, let me see that - what size is it? that may fit my nephew. let me take it home for him.

investigator: there may be evidence of a crime at the rocks, near the lighthouse.
jacobs: nah, those damn rocks. lets send a painting crew. they need to be painted to let tourists know they are there. we do not want any more traffic accidents. i realize they are way off the beating path... lets just paint half of each rock. that should do it...

[BUCKSHOT]

another observation...

remember way back when...

lots of searches were cancelled and/or postponed due to lack of permits.

maybe new legislation came about recently b/c joran's american legal helpers sure did get their permits rather quickly in order to assist him.

[Tylergal]

Anna, it is possible they put Natalee on the boat that night and then figured out
what to do the next day..

Or in the shed at the Sloots or buried her by the FH, or in the spot Tim Miller found or on and on, Robots.

Way too many clues were cranked out and fabricated very early.  Too many paths to take to make it  impossible to find out what really happened.

What was Deepak up to with his car at the Sloots right before Beth arrived? 

Can Sander drive the boat around by himself and is he allowed to do that?  If not, there had to be an adult involved and they protect the adults like anything.

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The bathtub, what the maid saw, the reason they would not allow the house to be inspected, only Joran's apartment.  She was taken to the house for Paulus' pleasure, probably killed there.  I cannot forget the bathtub picture of Natalee with blood posted by Val, Inc.

[GabbyG]

Gabby,

That's a very nice question and no one will laugh at you!  If they do, Klaas can remove it and I will punch them for you.

LOL!

Awwww Anna, Ty for offering your punch! I have now and again found myself in positions where I needed a defender But I know Im in good company with the Monkeys! 
I have wondered for years about the dolphins and whales, and figured here was my chance so I might as well take it!   

[IBE]

Sander already had the boat in the water.  Paulus knew where Anita's cousin kept the key. Didn't need anybody else.

MO

Whoa here!
All these years I have been reading.... must have missed this.

Paulus knew where Anita's cousin kept the key. So Anita is the cousin of Sander? or Koen or ??

I get mixed up when it comes to relatives.. is it on Anita's mom or dad side who would be related to the mom or dad of Sander??

More info please? TIA

[Tamikosmom]

Might be interesting to review what Dave had to say about Freddy's arrest: Pg. 139:

On August 26, the FBI called to inform us that the Kalpoe brothers had been arrested again along with Joran's friend Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, twenty one, who was brought in for suspicion of another crime unrelated to Natalee. He had a website on which he called himself "Locoman Pimp." He was accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and showing them to other people. He was further suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl. The Kalpoe brothers and Joran were also considered suspects in the incident, which had occurred prior to Natalee's disappearance.

What happened to that case?  Let me guess....not enough evidence to prosecute.

At the end of August, 2005 ... "new" evidence warranted the rearresto of Deepak and Satish Kalpoe at the end of August, 2005 in regards tothe Natalee Holloway case.  Freddie was detain at the same time.  However ... it was claimed that Freddy was arrested on suspicions which were unrelated to the Natalee Holloway case.  Nevertheless ... Freddy was released along with Joran, Deepak, Satish and Freddy less than a week later.

Janet

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Diana Emerencia - Freddy's attorney
Decatur Daily News
August 31, 2005

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/050831/aruba.shtml
ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) — ...... A third man was arrested with the Kalpoes but his lawyer said Monday that it was unrelated to Holloway's disappearance.

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incidents, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.

Emerencia said Zedan-Arambatzis has denied having any physical contact with the girl or taking photos of her, but has admitted to being present when the photos were taken.

The prosecutor's office declined to comment on the case.


Beth Twitty
NANCY GRACE
August 29, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: Well, Nancy, I would imagine that it means that they`ve gathered new evidence to warrant this re-arrest of the Kalpoe brothers. And there`s no way you`re going to convince me that Freddy`s arrest is a coincidence. You know, I`ve seen his name surface throughout my documentation that I`ve been keeping since as early as June 15th, so.

[carpe noctem]

 

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