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Author Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #704 12/11 - 12/18/2007  (Read 252070 times)
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« Reply #960 on: December 18, 2007, 11:07:38 AM »

This case clothed is not come by me at a surprise.

I have heard this from secret connections.
FBI headquarter NEW YORK CITY. Get in summer 2006, for information about clothed the case.
A person has in a meeting told about, this case would be clothed in few years, to a Special Agent.
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I am glad hear this media attention from the Netherlands. ‘Recherche verdraait informatie te vaak’
Investigators in a black breach and again a bad name of the Dutch police. It smells again to Corrpution and a negative researching in missing persons cases
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« Reply #961 on: December 18, 2007, 11:16:11 AM »

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« Reply #962 on: December 18, 2007, 11:18:48 AM »

Thank you so much Nut!  I was beginning to think I
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« Reply #963 on: December 18, 2007, 11:23:20 AM »

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/12/18/

Still no identity for the man who died in his jail cell.

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POLIS AINDA NO SA NOMBER DI E DETENIDO HAYA MORTO DEN CEL
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Cu e poco recurso cu Recherche y Polis ta dispone, pueblo tin di gradici cu tog hopi caso ta worde resolvi.  Lamentablemente nan mes no ta menciona hopi di esaki den publicidad.

   Pueblo no ta mira casonan worde resolvi den prensa, y ta kere cu Polis ta drumi di dia y anochi.  Tog tin biaha via di DIARIO, pueblo ta mira cu tog Polisnan ta trahando!

   Durante weekend patruya di Oranjestad a detene un homber hibe warda pa sosega curpa. Debi cu warda di Oranjestad no ta apto pa encarcela ningun detenido, a dicidi di transporte pa warda di Noord situa na Shaba. Segun informe e homber tabata bebi y probablemente curpa no ta duna.

   Control cu a worde haci rutinario na tur warda a bin constata cu e detenido cual ta ser den e cel no ta move ni responde. Mesora a manda notifica lo demas autoridad y a bin constata cu e detenido a fayece.

   Fiscal a laga confisca e curpa di e homber pa asina practica autopsia.Mientras tanto polis y Recherché a busca informe pa determina kende e persona aki ta. Te cu asina leu no a determina e identidad di e homber en cuestion.

Parce cu tin sospecho cu aki lo por ta trata di persona aparentemente ilegal, pero no por a confirma e informacion mas ainda ningun persona local ni famia no a  reporta cu nan ta sinta falta di un miembro di famia.

  E curpa sin bida segun informe ta den mortuario keto bay sin autoridad sa exactamente su identidad. Manera esaki ta conoci esaki lo worde anuncia.

Online Pap translation:

police still not know name of the detenido
achieve dead in cel


oranjestad (aan): cu the some recurso cu recherche y police is dispone, people have of gradici cu tog much caso is worde resolvi. alas they self do not menciona much of this in publicidad.

people do not see casonan worde resolvi in prensa, y is believe cu police is sleep of day y night. {?!?} tog have trip via of daily paper, people is see cu tog polisnan is trahando!

during weekend patrol of oranjestad owing to detene one man hibe keep for sosega curpa. debi cu keep of oranjestad do not apto for encarcela none detenido, owing to dicidi of transporte for keep of north situa at shaba. according informe he was baby y probably curpa do not give.

control cu owing to worde haci rutinario at all keep owing to come constata cu the detenido cual is being in the cel do not actuate neither responde. at once owing to send notifica will other autoridad y owing to come constata cu the detenido owing to fayece.

fiscal owing to let confisca the curpa of he for so practica autopsia.mientras tanto police y recherché owing to busca informe for determina that the person here is. till cu so far not owing to determina the identidad of he provided that cuestion.

seems cu have suspicion cu here will can is deal of person apparently ilegal, but not can owing to confirma the informacion more still none person local neither family not owing to reporta cu they're sit miss of one acolyte of family.

the curpa without life according informe is in mortuario keto bay without autoridad know exactly his identidad. as this is conoci this will worde anuncia..

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Apparently three armed men car-jacked a car. Somehow $6,000 cash is involved; possibly in the car? (That's a lot of walking-around money ... )

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CASO DI CAR-JACKING ARMA A SOCEDE NA AYO
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Riba Dialuna, un biaha mas a keda constata cu keto bay arma ta circula na grandi riba nos Isla. Pa colmo ta trata di un informe cu a yega an oido di polis cu ta indicando cu den vecindario di Ayo Rock Formation, tres homber color scur direpiente a bula dilanti di un auto.

   Asina cu arma den man, nan a ‘hands-up’ tur esnan den e auto riba e caminda di tera pa forza baha for di un Mitsubishi Galant color shinishi-blanco cu number A-18680.E atracadornan a pone esnan den e auto baha abao y asina car-jack e vehiculo y baha na awa cu esaki.

   Pero a resulta cu esnan roba, a caba lanta placa, y ta trata di un suma di 6 mil dolar cash. Polisnan a worde notifica di e sucedido y a bati alarma grandi. For di diferente skina varios patruya di cu polisnan uniforma fuera Recherche  cuminsa cu un buskeda. 

Esnan cu a bira victima mes a logra yega te na un Supermercado na Ayo, pa eynan warda riba Polis y Recherche.  Nan a haya boter di awa, pa asina nan por kita e susto un poco di nan curpa!E auto cu a atracadornan abordo a bay direccion Angochi. Informe adicional cu ta circula lo ta papia di dos otro ta menciona tres persona arma.

   Parce cu asaltantenan a pone arma di candela na custia e di esnan cu a worde atraca. Masha poco descripcion tabata disponible di e carjackernan, pa asina autoridad lo por a haci nan trabao mas efectivamente.

   Declaracionnan tabata poco confuso pa cual tambe cada un di esnan cu a worde asalta a worde spera for di otro pa asina mas detayadamente por compila e informenan. Te cu ayera tardi no tabata tin ningun informe adicional relaciona cu e caso di asalto arma.

Online Pap translation:

caso of car-jacking arm owing to socede at good-bye

oranjestad (aan): on monday, once more owing to stay constata cu keto bay arm is circula at big on we island. for colmo is deal of one informe cu owing to arrive an oido of police cu is indicando cu in vecindario of good-bye rock formation, three man color dark all of a sudden owing to fly fast of one car.

so cu arm in hand, they owing to ‘hands-up’ all esnan in the car on the caminda of ground for forza descend for of one mitsubishi galant color shinishi-blanco cu number a-18680.e atracadornan owing to place esnan in the car descend abao y so car-jack the vehiculo y descend at water cu this.

but owing to resulta cu esnan plunder, owing to end arise coin, y is deal of one suma of 6 thousand dolar cash. polisnan owing to worde notifica of the sucedido y owing to beat alarma big. for of various angle several patrol of cu polisnan uniforma fuera recherche cuminsa cu one buskeda.

esnan cu owing to become victima self owing to succeed arrive till at one supermercado at good-bye, for eynan keep on police y recherche. they owing to achieve boter of water, for so they can less the susto one some of they curpa!e car cu owing to atracadornan abordo owing to bay direccion angochi. informe adicional cu is circula will is talk of two another is menciona three person arm.

seems cu asaltantenan owing to place arm of candela at custia the of esnan cu owing to worde atraca. very some descripcion was disponible of the carjackernan, for so autoridad will can owing to haci they trabao more efectivamente.

declaracionnan was some confuso for cual also cada one of esnan cu owing to worde asalta owing to worde wait for for of another for so more detayadamente can compila the informenan. till cu yesterday tardi not was have none informe adicional relaciona cu the caso of asalto arm.[/quote]

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More on the Anthony Gomez shooting.

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LANDSRECHERCHE ENCARGA CU E INVESTIGACION
 
Relaciona cu e tiramento y  consecuencia fatal


ORANJESTAD (AAN): E caso di e hoben cu a tira riba Polis, y cu despues e agente a dispara back den defensa y herida mortalmente e persona ey, a keda hopi comenta riba Dialuna.Oficialmente segun DIARIO a comprende e caso cu tiramento fatal, a worde poni den man di LandsRecherche. Manera ta conoci cu diadomingo marduga polis a haya confronta cu un hoben arma pa cual tin un investigacion profundo a start cu a dispara riba agentenan policial.

   Un di e agente a keda seriamente herida mientras e hoben Gomes a perde su bida door di impacto di bala.E confrontacion lamentable aki a produci masha discusion y hasta ministro di husticia a ricibi menaza  E marduga en cuestion tabata presente tres miembro tambe di LandsRecherche presente cu a acudi na e lugar di e sucedido.

   Pa asina pone nan mes na altura di locual a caba di tuma lugar. Awor e tarea ta keda na miembronan di LandsRecherche cu ta regarda bao di procurador general pa investiga e caso te den su ultimo detaye.

   Esnan cu tabata hunto cu e hoben Gomez sigur lo tin di worde scucha con y kende entre otro e arma ta pertenece. Kico a pasa prome cu polisnan a presenta. Pakico a pidi asistencia na e lugar, tabata tin problema caba entre grupo di persona. Unda esaki a tuma lugar.

  Tambe lo check riba e hoben Gomez kende a bay buske na cas y pakico con el a yega na e lugar. Kico ta e motibo cu e tabata tin e arma den su poder, kende a facilite arma ta preguntanan entre otro clave cu LandsRecherche tin cu busca pa haya sa.

   Cuerpo policial tambe kier tambe un claridad di locual a tuma lugar na unda un miembro di e cuerpo a keda seriamente herida.

   Testigonan ta masha importante den e caso aki y cu e miembronan haya e espacio pa inicia cu nan investigacion pa tanto cuerpo policial y famia di victimanan finalmente worde poni na altura di e resultado.

Online Pap translation:

landsrecherche encarga cu the investigacion

relaciona cu the tiramento y consecuencia fateful


oranjestad (aan): the caso of the young cu owing to throw on police, y cu after the agent owing to dispara back in defence y injury mortalmente the person ey, owing to stay much comenta on monday.oficialmente according daily paper owing to comprende the caso cu tiramento fateful, owing to worde poni in hand of landsrecherche. as is conoci cu diadomingo marduga police owing to achieve confronta cu one young arm for cual have one investigacion deep owing to start cu owing to dispara on agentenan policial.

one of the agent owing to stay seriamente injury while the young gomes owing to lose his life door of impacto of ball.e confrontacion lamentable here owing to produci very discusion y even ministro of husticia owing to ricibi menaza the marduga provided that cuestion was present three acolyte also of landsrecherche present cu owing to acudi at the lugar of the sucedido.

for so place they self at height of locual owing to end of take lugar. now the tarea is stay at miembronan of landsrecherche cu is regarda bao of procurador general for investiga the caso till in his ultimo detaye.

esnan cu was together cu the young gomez assure will have of worde listen con y that among another the arm is pertenece. kico owing to happen first cu polisnan owing to present. pakico owing to ask asistencia at the lugar, was have problem end among are of person. where this did take lugar.

also will check on the young gomez that owing to bay buske at home y pakico con past owing to arrive at the lugar. kico is the motibo cu the was have the arm in his power, that owing to facilite arm is questions among another clave cu landsrecherche have cu busca for achieve know.

cuerpo policial also wanted also one claridad of locual did take lugar at where one acolyte of the cuerpo owing to stay seriamente injury.

testigonan is very important in the caso here y cu the miembronan achieve the espacio for inicia cu they investigacion for tanto cuerpo policial y family of victimanan finalmente worde poni at height of the result.

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DEBE DI 100 FLORIN A PONE JAMAIQUINO HAYA PROBLEMA
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Diadomingo casi 1’or di marduga, a presenta na Warda di Polis na San Nicolas, e homber naci na Jamaica di inicialnan N.N. di 25 aña, kende a bisa e polis cu a atende cu e kier entrega keho di maltrato cu arma.

  Segun e Jamaiquino ta splica polis cu e tabata na Community Pool y ey un gai un tal “Jo” a pidi pa 100 Florin cu e debe.

   E Jamaiquino N.N. a bisa e tal “Jo” cu situacion ta dificil, y su cartera ta bashi.E tal “Jo” aparentemente no a keda contento y a hinca dede den wowo di denunciante N.N., casi e por a coba saca esaki literalmente.

  Pero esaki no tabata tur, e ta “Jo” a bay pafor y a regresa cu un bate di baseball y a lembe e homber Jamaiquino cu e obheto.

   Awor e Jamaiquino N.N. kier entrega denuncia oficial contra e tal “Jo”.  Recherche segun e procedimento lo busca y check cu “Jo”  relaciona cu e maltrato cometi contra e homber Jamaiquino cu por poco a saca su wowo y riba dje dale cu bate baseball pa un debe di 100 Florin.

Online Pap translation:

"Jo" attacks N.N. when NN can't pay 100 guilders owed to "Jo". At a public pool.

owe of 100 guilder owing to place jamaiquino
achieve problem


oranjestad (aan): diadomingo casi 1’or of marduga, owing to present at keep of police at san nicolas, he naci at jamaica of inicialnan n.n. of 25 year, that owing to tell the police cu owing to atende cu the wanted entrega complaint of maltrato cu arm.

according the jamaiquino is splica police cu the was at community pool y ey one cock one such “jo” owing to ask for 100 guilder cu the owe.

the jamaiquino n.n. owing to tell the such “jo” cu situation is dificil, y his cartera is bashi.e such “jo” apparently not owing to stay contento y owing to hinca finger in eye of denunciante n.n., casi the can owing to coba saca this literalmente.

but this not was all, the is “jo” owing to bay abroad y owing to return cu one bate of baseball y owing to lembe he jamaiquino cu the obheto.

now the jamaiquino n.n. wanted entrega denuncia oficial contra the such “jo”. recherche according the procedimento will busca y check cu “jo” relaciona cu the maltrato cometi contra he jamaiquino cu can some owing to saca his eye y on dje dale cu bate baseball for one owe of 100 guilder.

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Choller apparently stole a car.

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CHOLLER A HORTA CARTERA Y LAGA SU CUCHIO
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Den dia cla na Esso Heights, ladron a kibra drenta horta den un auto. Patruya encarga cu distrito San Nicolas a atende e señora denunciante di inicialnan J.D. di 20 aña di edad.

   Señora J.D. a declara cu e anochi anterior el a yega cas alrededor di 9:30’or y a laga su auto A-25857 staciona dilanti su cas.  Pero un hende a kibra drenta horta un cartera.

  Ora cu e ladron a haya cartera, el a baha na awa, y a laga e arma blanco atras den e vehiculo. Durante di e asistencia, pa colmo tin persona (nan) a reconoce e cuchio y nan a bisa cu esey ta pertenece na un choller kende ta biba den vecindario.

   Mientras tanto keho a worde tuma di e señora denunciante J.D.Polis a start un buskeda y a localiza e choller di inicialnan G.F.J. di 40 aña.

Interogacion corto e choler a admiti di a kibra drenta horta e cartera. Locual ta e cartera e choler a laga sa cu el a benta esaki afor den un pida mondi.

   Den un fraccion polis a logra di localiza e cartera y entrega esaki na e señora denunciante. Señora J.D. a keda asina contento cu polis a recobra su cartera cu e kier pa hala e keho aden contra di e choller.Polis a scual e Choller fuerte riba su actitud y comportacion cu ta inaceptable den nos sociedad.

Online Pap translation:

choller owing to steal cartera y let his cuchio

oranjestad (aan): in day cla at esso heights, thief owing to break enter steal in one car. patrol encarga cu distrito san nicolas owing to atende the madam denunciante of inicialnan j.d. of 20 year of edad.

madam j.d. owing to declara cu the night anterior past owing to arrive cas alrededor of 9:30’or y owing to let his car a-25857 staciona fast his cas. but a owing to break enter steal one cartera.

hour cu the thief owing to achieve cartera, past owing to descend at water, y owing to let the arm blanco behind in the vehiculo. during of the asistencia, for colmo have person (nan) owing to reconoce the cuchio y they owing to tell cu esey is pertenece at one choller that live in vecindario.

all the time complaint owing to worde take of the madam denunciante j.d.polis owing to start one buskeda y owing to localiza the choller of inicialnan g.f.j. of 40 year.

interogacion corto the choler owing to admiti of owing to break enter steal the cartera. locual is the cartera the choler owing to let know cu past owing to throw this afor in one piece forest.

in one fraccion police owing to succeed of localiza the cartera y entrega this at the madam denunciante. madam j.d. owing to stay so contento cu police owing to recobra his cartera cu the wanted for wing the complaint inside contra of the choller.polis owing to scual the choller strong on his actitud y comportacion cu is inaceptable in we society.

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Home Alone story.

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MUCHA A KEDA NA CAS Y TABATIN INTRUSO CLA PA DRENTA
 
ORANJESTAD (AAN): Tabata Diadomingo cu patruya di San Nicolas, a presenta merdia na un cas den Sportparkstraat. Segun informe na e cas tin un mucha chikito su so eyden, y cu pa colmo tin hende desconoci kier forza drenta den e residencia.

   Polis mesora a acudi na e cas y a topa cu un mucha muher di 13 aña. E mucha muher a splica polis cu su mama a sali y a lage atras hunto cu su ruman homber.

   Un rato despues su ruman homber a sali bay y laga su so na cas. Na un dado momento el a scucha  desorden na bentana di cushina. E criatura a bay averigua un que otro y e ta wak un homber color scur cu muts bisti color shinishi y un Tshirt (sushi) cu tabata blanco ta para wak door di bentana.

   Pero ora cu e homber a nota presencia di e mucha, e homber a spanta, core bay y desaparece.
   
Mesora e mucha muher a reacciona y a yama polis. Un rato despues su ruman homber tambe a regresa cas.

   Aki por mira e peligro di laga mucha nan so na cas!  Dios so sa kico lo a socede si acaso e intruso cu mal mente a drenta y haya e mucha indefenso eyden.

Online Pap translation:

child owing to stay at home y had intruso
cla for enter


oranjestad (aan): was diadomingo cu patrol of san nicolas, owing to present afternoon at one cas in sportparkstraat. according informe at the cas have one child diminutive his only eyden, y cu for colmo have person desconoci wanted forza enter in the residencia.

police at once owing to acudi at the cas y owing to come across cu one child muher of 13 year. the child muher owing to splica police cu his mother owing to leave y owing to lage behind together cu his brother man.

one rato after his brother man owing to leave bay y let his only at home. at one dado instant past owing to listen desorden at window of cushina. the criatura owing to bay averigua one que another y the looking at one man color dark cu muts dress color grey y one tshirt (sushi) cu was blanco is stop look at door of window.

but hour cu he owing to notice presencia of the child, he owing to spanta, core bay y desaparece.

at once the child muher owing to reacciona y owing to calling police. one rato after his brother man also owing to return cas.

here can see the danger of let child they only at home! god only know kico will owing to socede if acaso the intruso cu bad mind owing to enter y achieve the child indefenso eyden.

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« Reply #964 on: December 18, 2007, 11:26:18 AM »

CNN is running a Breaking News Banner that none of the three suspects will be charged!!!
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« Reply #965 on: December 18, 2007, 11:27:39 AM »

Fox now has banner that case is closed!
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« Reply #966 on: December 18, 2007, 11:28:03 AM »

Magnolia - Apologies ... I never got to yesterday's online Diario. If it isn't there by Noon or so I assume they're not publishing (at least online) that day.
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« Reply #967 on: December 18, 2007, 11:29:23 AM »

I thought I just heard on Fox that the case is offically closed.  Did anyone else hear that?

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« Reply #968 on: December 18, 2007, 11:30:03 AM »

It's interesting that the Prosecutor has until the 31st, but chooses to close the case just when the ocean search begins.
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« Reply #969 on: December 18, 2007, 11:31:04 AM »

I thought I just heard on Fox that the case is offically closed.  Did anyone else hear that?



Fox and CNN both running banners on their websites, but no details other than it's from the Prosecutor.
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« Reply #970 on: December 18, 2007, 11:31:18 AM »

Aruba thumbs its nose at Tim Miller.
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« Reply #971 on: December 18, 2007, 11:33:07 AM »

Aruba thumbs its nose at Tim Miller.

They're showing him a finger alright, but I'm not sure it's a thumb.
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« Reply #972 on: December 18, 2007, 11:33:51 AM »

I thought I just heard on Fox that the case is offically closed.  Did anyone else hear that?



I heard the same thing Anna. Makes you wonder why they're in such a rush. They had until 12/31 and the sea search is just beginning.

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PS........They said the family was notified by phone and fax
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« Reply #973 on: December 18, 2007, 11:33:54 AM »

I thought I just heard on Fox that the case is offically closed.  Did anyone else hear that?



Fox and CNN both running banners on their websites, but no details other than it's from the Prosecutor.

I'm hearing the same thing on MSNBC.  Two thought:

1.  Someone's afraid of what the sea search might reveal....
2.  Maybe now we'll hear from the family some more of what they know....
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« Reply #974 on: December 18, 2007, 11:36:04 AM »

I thought I just heard on Fox that the case is offically closed.  Did anyone else hear that?



Anna - yes the case is clothed!

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317293,00.html
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I am glad hear this media attention from the Netherlands. ‘Recherche verdraait informatie te vaak’
Investigators in a black breach and again a bad name of the Dutch police. It smells again to Corrpution and a negative researching in missing persons cases
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« Reply #975 on: December 18, 2007, 11:36:17 AM »

We know now too that MOS is not on our side.  He could have waiting until the 31st to make that announcement, just in case.
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« Reply #976 on: December 18, 2007, 11:40:49 AM »

It would have been the decent thing to do to wait
until the search was done.
But there isn't an ounce of decency on that whole
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« Reply #977 on: December 18, 2007, 11:43:07 AM »

Jug calling a spade a spade, said Paulus vanderSloot, in his opinion, was the lowest on earth. 

MONEY MUST HAVE RUN OUT FOR THE REFUGEES, SO CASE CLOSED EARLY
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« Reply #978 on: December 18, 2007, 11:43:58 AM »

For all our "friends" at other sites:

Not charged does not equal innocent.  It means not caught, yet....
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« Reply #979 on: December 18, 2007, 11:44:32 AM »

Hey, if they had waited until December 31, the lying agents would have not gotten their Christmas bonus to spend ahead of December 25. 
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