Natalee Case Discussion #704 12/11 - 12/18/2007

[San]

RAMM translation from Joran's book

- Joran met Freddy Zedan Arambatzis when Freddy was 19, they met during a tournament at the racquetball club. - I will bet anything that Joran met Freddy through Deepak.

- Freddy is a light colored latino from Venezuela that only spoke papi. Joran thinks he is a nice guy.  I do not believe that Freddy only spoke papi.  I will guarantee he speaks broken English.  Why does Joran have to make it a point in say Freddy light skinned.  Who would cares what color skin Freddy has.  Unless someone saw him that night. 

- he invited Joran to go with him and his friends sometime and Joran accepted that invitation (first time out ever for Joran that was).  Is Joran trying to explain the picture of him in the car with Deepak and Freddy in the back seat with the American girl.  Joran is saying first time out ever.  Does he mean first time he raped a tourist.

- Freddy lives close to Joran. He is doing hotel management. A course given in dutch. Because Freddy was new to dutch the education was difficult. Joran helped him with school work.

http://scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2482&sid=b2eb293a37ceefffad74e79c61cd41c0

I am very behind.  My writing in blue.

[crazybabyborg]

Could someone that has Dave's book tell me where this is mentioned in the book? TIA

This is from the Grey Whisper posts...yes, more codetalk...sorry.

7:27 PM
Dan in Tx said...
So Whisper is a Koko fan eh? Or does Koko have a doppelganger like Simian did? Koko isn't welcome here so let's hope not.

The real export is porn...or girls...or both.

So Whisper...DO the Babylonians make movies? Read Dave's book- he saw one of the places Freddy works.

Dave's book is hard to look stuff up in; I've run into it before. There isn't anything under "Freddy" in the index. Help me remember Freddy's last name and I'll see if it's listed?

[crazybabyborg]

Got it Lala's. I'll post it

[klaasend]

Could someone that has Dave's book tell me where this is mentioned in the book? TIA

This is from the Grey Whisper posts...yes, more codetalk...sorry.

7:27 PM
Dan in Tx said...
So Whisper is a Koko fan eh? Or does Koko have a doppelganger like Simian did? Koko isn't welcome here so let's hope not.

The real export is porn...or girls...or both.

So Whisper...DO the Babylonians make movies? Read Dave's book- he saw one of the places Freddy works.

Dave's book is hard to look stuff up in; I've run into it before. There isn't anything under "Freddy" in the index. Help me remember Freddy's last name and I'll see if it's listed?

Freddy Zedan Arambatzis

[San]

Here is something that is bothering me:

Koen's alibi is that he was at a party with many guests and not in Aruba, the day after Natalee went missing. However, its is also said that, he attempted to provide an alibi for Joran, by saying he was playing tennis with him that Monday afternoon and evening. I have read that the prosecutor in June 2005 wanted to interview him but couldn't, and his Father gave a statement in his place. So what is the truth here?

1. Was Koen in Aruba?
2. Did Koen meet with Joran Sunday or Monday?
3. Did Koen give a statement in early June 2005?
4. Did Koen invite Joran on a boat party that sunday evening but Joran said he was going to C&C instead?
5. How can someone be in Aruba or not be in Aruba all at the same time?

#4 - No, it was Sander that invited Joran on the boat but Joran said no.  It's in one of Sanders statements.

I sometimes wonder if Sander gave this statement because they know it was Koen on the boat and they want Sander to come forward and say it was him who took the boat out to cover for his brother.  They are trying to confuse whoever witnessed Koen on the boat that night.

[Helen Back]

Can someone help me? I know you've posted it somewhere but the "forensics" goon with Tacopina, what do we know about him?

We couldn't find much Frank.  A recent Wiki bio and that's about all.  I couldn't locate any info on New York Forensics, Inc., in Fishkill, New York, where he is reportedly the Chief forensic examiner.  Also reportedly an Investigator in the Dutchess County Medical Examiner's Office.

Someone posted that they located Dutchess County records indicating he had judgments against him as a result of recent lawsuits by families of deceased individuals.

Wow, his wiki has been updated several times in the last few days to include the BS about his recent trip to Aruba and slamming the prosecution.  Now he is a noted forensic photographer as well.

[crazybabyborg]

pg.52/Aruba

(The motel next to the VIP club)

We also heard that this might be the place where a friend of Joran's, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, was alleged to have taken lewd pictures of a minor girl. He has denied the charge, but his lawyer says he admits he was present when photos of the girl in "tempting poses" were taken.

[Helen Back]

RAMM translation from Joran's book

- Joran met Freddy Zedan Arambatzis when Freddy was 19, they met during a tournament at the racquetball club. - I will bet anything that Joran met Freddy through Deepak.

- Freddy is a light colored latino from Venezuela that only spoke papi. Joran thinks he is a nice guy.  I do not believe that Freddy only spoke papi.  I will guarantee he speaks broken English.  Why does Joran have to make it a point in say Freddy light skinned.  Who would cares what color skin Freddy has.  Unless someone saw him that night. 

- he invited Joran to go with him and his friends sometime and Joran accepted that invitation (first time out ever for Joran that was).  Is Joran trying to explain the picture of him in the car with Deepak and Freddy in the back seat with the American girl.  Joran is saying first time out ever.  Does he mean first time he raped a tourist.

- Freddy lives close to Joran. He is doing hotel management. A course given in dutch. Because Freddy was new to dutch the education was difficult. Joran helped him with school work.

http://scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2482&sid=b2eb293a37ceefffad74e79c61cd41c0

I am very behind.  My writing in blue.

Well, Freddy's brother, Ernesto "the fabulous" Arambatzis speaks fluent english as evidenced by his many interviews to newspapers while he was the party meister of South Beach.


Too bad he and Freddy can't communicate except in Papi.

[Tamikosmom]

Good Night Monkeys.

Christmas shopping today ... Christmas program at grandkids school  tonight ... busy ... busy ... busy ...

PRAYERS FOR NATALEE'S FAMILY!!

Janet

6:00 pm

[Magnolia]

Can someone help me? I know you've posted it somewhere but the "forensics" goon with Tacopina, what do we know about him?

We couldn't find much Frank.  A recent Wiki bio and that's about all.  I couldn't locate any info on New York Forensics, Inc., in Fishkill, New York, where he is reportedly the Chief forensic examiner.  Also reportedly an Investigator in the Dutchess County Medical Examiner's Office.

Someone posted that they located Dutchess County records indicating he had judgments against him as a result of recent lawsuits by families of deceased individuals.

Wow, his wiki has been updated several times in the last few days to include the BS about his recent trip to Aruba and slamming the prosecution.  Now he is a noted forensic photographer as well.

AZLady found information that he was a failed undertaker and funeral home
operator who had been sued twice......aside from the recent 35,000 judgement.  Once for around 26,000 and once for around1,600.

[Magnolia]

RAMM translation from Joran's book

- Joran met Freddy Zedan Arambatzis when Freddy was 19, they met during a tournament at the racquetball club. - I will bet anything that Joran met Freddy through Deepak.

- Freddy is a light colored latino from Venezuela that only spoke papi. Joran thinks he is a nice guy.  I do not believe that Freddy only spoke papi.  I will guarantee he speaks broken English.  Why does Joran have to make it a point in say Freddy light skinned.  Who would cares what color skin Freddy has.  Unless someone saw him that night. 

- he invited Joran to go with him and his friends sometime and Joran accepted that invitation (first time out ever for Joran that was).  Is Joran trying to explain the picture of him in the car with Deepak and Freddy in the back seat with the American girl.  Joran is saying first time out ever.  Does he mean first time he raped a tourist.

- Freddy lives close to Joran. He is doing hotel management. A course given in dutch. Because Freddy was new to dutch the education was difficult. Joran helped him with school work.

http://scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2482&sid=b2eb293a37ceefffad74e79c61cd41c0

I am very behind.  My writing in blue.

Well, Freddy's brother, Ernesto "the fabulous" Arambatzis speaks fluent english as evidenced by his many interviews to newspapers while he was the party meister of South Beach.


Too bad he and Freddy can't communicate except in Papi.

How could Freddy be a bartender at the Marriot and only speak Papi?

[crazybabyborg]

RAMM translation from Joran's book

- Joran met Freddy Zedan Arambatzis when Freddy was 19, they met during a tournament at the racquetball club. - I will bet anything that Joran met Freddy through Deepak.

- Freddy is a light colored latino from Venezuela that only spoke papi. Joran thinks he is a nice guy.  I do not believe that Freddy only spoke papi.  I will guarantee he speaks broken English.  Why does Joran have to make it a point in say Freddy light skinned.  Who would cares what color skin Freddy has.  Unless someone saw him that night. 

- he invited Joran to go with him and his friends sometime and Joran accepted that invitation (first time out ever for Joran that was).  Is Joran trying to explain the picture of him in the car with Deepak and Freddy in the back seat with the American girl.  Joran is saying first time out ever.  Does he mean first time he raped a tourist.

- Freddy lives close to Joran. He is doing hotel management. A course given in dutch. Because Freddy was new to dutch the education was difficult. Joran helped him with school work.

http://scrux.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2482&sid=b2eb293a37ceefffad74e79c61cd41c0

I am very behind.  My writing in blue.

Well, Freddy's brother, Ernesto "the fabulous" Arambatzis speaks fluent english as evidenced by his many interviews to newspapers while he was the party meister of South Beach.


Too bad he and Freddy can't communicate except in Papi.

Ernesto:

[Observer]

Holloway Case Could Be Closed(Interview with JQK)

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=3597392n

[San]

I just want to thank Klaas, Red, Tom, Dugga, et al, for this site. Such a respite from the other sites claiming any degree of concern for Natalee's plight.

 

[Anna]

I just want to thank Klaas, Red, Tom, Dugga, et al, for this site. Such a respite from the other sites claiming any degree of concern for Natalee's plight.

 

Yes, with primary concern for the victim and her mother instead of the suspects and their attorneys.

[crazybabyborg]

Might be interesting to review what Dave had to say about Freddy's arrest: Pg. 139:

On August 26, the FBI called to inform us that the Kalpoe brothers had been arrested again along with Joran's friend Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, twenty one, who was brought in for suspicion of another crime unrelated to Natalee. He had a website on which he called himself "Locoman Pimp." He was accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and showing them to other people. He was further suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl. The Kalpoe brothers and Joran were also considered suspects in the incident, which had occurred prior to Natalee's disappearance.

[Magnolia]

Might be interesting to review what Dave had to say about Freddy's arrest: Pg. 139:

On August 26, the FBI called to inform us that the Kalpoe brothers had been arrested again along with Joran's friend Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, twenty one, who was brought in for suspicion of another crime unrelated to Natalee. He had a website on which he called himself "Locoman Pimp." He was accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and showing them to other people. He was further suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl. The Kalpoe brothers and Joran were also considered suspects in the incident, which had occurred prior to Natalee's disappearance.

What happened to that case?  Let me guess....not enough evidence to prosecute.

[San]

I just want to thank Klaas, Red, Tom, Dugga, et al, for this site. Such a respite from the other sites claiming any degree of concern for Natalee's plight.

 

Yes, with primary concern for the victim and her mother instead of the suspects and their attorneys.

Right Anna.  I will never ever say a kind word about the Sloot family (they are evil), Kalpoes, Joe Tacopina, a sewer called Julia Renfro and anyone else in Aruba.  Aruba made their bed now they can lie in it.

[crazybabyborg]

Might be interesting to review what Dave had to say about Freddy's arrest: Pg. 139:

On August 26, the FBI called to inform us that the Kalpoe brothers had been arrested again along with Joran's friend Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, twenty one, who was brought in for suspicion of another crime unrelated to Natalee. He had a website on which he called himself "Locoman Pimp." He was accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and showing them to other people. He was further suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl. The Kalpoe brothers and Joran were also considered suspects in the incident, which had occurred prior to Natalee's disappearance.

What happened to that case?  Let me guess....not enough evidence to prosecute.

If Dave says, I haven't found it yet. Hurricane Katrina hits shortly after the arrests and I think everyone was released.

Jossy did comment about the arrests, however, saying that Freddy lives very near Joran, and that they were all friends and all called themselves "Pimps" and preyed on young girls together.

[Helen Back]

I just want to thank Klaas, Red, Tom, Dugga, et al, for this site. Such a respite from the other sites claiming any degree of concern for Natalee's plight.

 

Yes, with primary concern for the victim and her mother instead of the suspects and their attorneys.

True advocates for victim's rights here at SM.