Natalee Case Discussion #704 12/11 - 12/18/2007

[Dayhiker]

Not good. Aruba is essentially holding Natalee hostage. Asking us to believe she's dead but not telling us how they know this.

Leaking misinformation regarding the b.s. overdose etc.

Aruba is responsible for kidnapping Natalee and continuing to hold her hostage. I am furious at our own government. Jean Akers, Spencer Bacchus etc.

All of this to protect joran? I don't think so. This is about Paulus. And not just about Paulus protecting his son, there is someone higher up directly involved.

Dana and even JQK keep saying there were mistakes, or bungling. No Way.

They unsolved this crime. Nobody screwed up.

Goes all the way up the chain to Holland:

Joran and Kalopes- covering for their crime ->

Paulus and ALE- covering up for their criminals ->

Dutch Judges- covering for their friend Paulus and Holland ->

Aruba Government- protecting their tourism dollars ->

Holland and Prosecutors- protecting their world image <-

They all gain by not having the crime solved.

[Tamikosmom]

You're right Frank.  This should have been a solved case with Natalee returned to her family within 72 hours.  It was a solved case.  There's no mistake about it. JQK needs to start saying it for what it was/is.  Corruption.  No mistake.
I'll never forgive them.

snoopy and Frank

Think about the implications regarding Phil McGraw's words regarding Deepak and Satish ... those words have come back to haunt him in a defamation lawsuit ... a lawsuit that I believe may just stand a chance of succeeding once the Deepak and Satish are declared no longer suspects.

I am wondering if there are legalities behind the reason that John Q. Kelly implies that "mistakes" were made in the Aruban investigation rather than saying it how it is.  There was a time when Kelly did not stop and consider his words in regards to what he perceived as a coverup.

Just the musings of Tamikosmom.

Janet

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John Q. Kelly
DR. PHIL
January 29, 2006

We're not going to sit here and say, 'Mr. Cohen's a nice guy. He told us some nice things. Aruba's a nice country.' No! Their daughter's missing. We don't have answers. The answers are down there. They have the resources, they have the men, they have the answers, they've got the suspects, it's all down there for them to solve this, and they're not doing it. We need that done.


John Q. Kelly
DR. PHIL
January 29, 2006

Apparently there was one statement Joran had made as early as June 13th, in the evening as a matter of fact, where he indicated that he had been down at the Fisherman's Hut on the beach, one of the locations that kept coming up, indicated he had been there with Natalee, left, that Deepak Kalpoe, one of the brothers, had returned and that he thought or knew that Deepak had raped Natalee and buried her nearby. And the report indicates they had taken Joran back down there on June 13th to search that area. That's something, depending on who you talk to, the officials say that statement was never made, never occurred, or that it's just not credible.

[Silverfox]

oh and btw...

I was told awhile back that casino surveillance consists of much more than the videos and the watchful eyes of the pit bosses -- but also AUDIO to go along with the video...

Assuming that this is a true practice... wouldn't you love to know what Paulus was suggesting to Nat when you see her in the video recoil and move away from him at the table?

Food for Thought

[Frank]

The threat of a lawsuit is over-hyped and won't happen.

What about Rosalie saying Beth is doing it for the money?

Or saying she O'd without proof, it works both ways.

Slander is nearly impossible to prove. All these players are now "public figures."

Lying is not slander.

Someone has to show me how the Kalpoes have been slandered? What Deepak can't get that barrista job at Starbucks because of Dr. Phil?

It's another attempt at intimidation.

There's less chance the Kalpoe's will win than there is in Aruba prosecuting the 3.

And what happens down the road if the kalpoe's are found to be guilty of crimes after an unlikely award?

The case will never be closed.

[Frank]

Does anyone have a picture of Jean Akers in Aruba? I have one of her in Asia but do you see her in any of the Joran release press conference? The first one?

[Helen Back]

I believe that this case needs to be looked at in a "backwards" way.  Instead of focusing on the three little punks and their friends and what happened that night, we need to look at this from the top down. 

Let's look at the Big wheels, make the connections between them, and the lil' punks will shake out in the end. 

Maybe Jossy can help us with the connections.  As we have always wondered, why was a narcotics detective running this case of a missing person?  Good beginning.

[MumInOhio]

Frank that post of mine the other day that you quoted, is I believe the first mention of MS JA. Beth's book did not give a name and I had to go and find it out. She was the only VC at the time that was a female and the only pics I found were from the same interview that you have.

[sirensong]

I believe that this case needs to be looked at in a "backwards" way.  Instead of focusing on the three little punks and their friends and what happened that night, we need to look at this from the top down. 

Let's look at the Big wheels, make the connections between them, and the lil' punks will shake out in the end. 

Maybe Jossy can help us with the connections.  As we have always wondered, why was a narcotics detective running this case of a missing person?  Good beginning.

I agree.  BIG attention needs to be brought to the cover up.  That is the part that I think the people still going to Aruba don't get.  How dangerous it really is behind the facade.  I wonder why Jossy is the only one who can say the truth about this case, because he has the money and voice to keep the evil ones off of him?  And I missed it if it was mentioned, but what ever happened to Luis Mansur?  Is there even a trial pending?  Jean Ackers should hang her head in shame.  She needs to be replaced with someone who won't sleep with the enemy.

[Nut44x4]

Be pretty hard pressed to find someone who won't sleep with the enemy in Aruba...They pass each other around down there like salt at the dinner table.

[Frank]

mum,
I contacted Jean Akers in Cambodia, left a voice message and an email. She responded asking if she could help.

I asked her to confirm or deny the passage in Beth's book, twice, but haven't heard back from her.

[Nut44x4]

http://www.kroooz-cams.com/caribbeanindex.html

Heli at RU seems to think this is The Persistence in Grand Caymen

OceanEx....is this our boat?

[Frank]

It's about the coverup, more than the crime.

Paulus implicated almost everyone in the first 10 days. Now the truth about how they worked against Natalee would doom them in their lust for power.

That's the political part. Paulus is not a player, has no power, has no information other than those that helped him and Joran.

Tacopina is being paid by those that want Oduber's party to stay in power for their own purposes. They could care less about the van der sloots, or Natalee.

The Clintons have an army of "defenders" not because they believe in the Clinton's but because the Clinton's will help them with their power.

Oduber's comment that "mistakes were made" is very true, very telling and a confession of his own.

[oceanexploration]

That's laughable!!! Of course that isn't the Persistence.  If it were true, it wouldn't be posted where it was.  Please consider the source.  Second, that is some random small crew boat.  It looks nothing like the Persistence.  Nevermind the fact that the Persistence was never within a hundred miles of that location.

[Tylergal]

Any comments from Debbie or Robin on how sorrowful either is regarding the outcome of this? 

Debbie seemed pretty optimistic when Dave was coming home, not one word of dismay or unhappiness in her comments regards Dave's visit to Aruba, perhaps pleasure at the fact that he was able to see Julia Renfro and Mark Purcell.  What's with that?

[NYC_lover]

There is a special forum for the Stacy Peterson case.
http://findstacypeterson.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=vdu6hkhgh7497fot59c1ojh8i1&

[AZLady]

Hello everyone.  I'm done with finals and turned in my grades! hooray!  I'm on Christmas break!

I found an interesting couple of things while researching the newest face in Taco's gang.  Here's my path so you can all follow my research.

I started with this recent and really ridiculous wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Archer.  You all know how I hate wikipedia and find it totally unreliable.  It did, however, give me a few leads to research this new name. 

I started with the Dutchess County, NY, County Clerk's Document Search at http://www.co.dutchess.ny.us/CountyGov/Departments/CountyClerk/12976.htm
Very interesting finds.  I found documents there that reference Michael Archer dating back to 1999.  I can't get enough info from these documents to know details, but here is what I could ascertain.  You can look at them yourself at the above link.
*(1999) Reference to a pistol permit application ,
*(1999) Judgment against Hignell & Phelps Funeral Parlor Inc 10 Willow St Beacon Ny 12508 and Michael Archer (same address) for $24,690.77.  Plaintiff is Pine Vanderlyn.  He owns a company called American Funeral Consultants who provide services to funeral homes.
* (1999) Judgment against Archer Michael L C/O Highnell Phelps Funeral 10 Willow St
Beacon Ny 12508 for $1,615.00.  Plaintiff is Robinson Anny S 69 Teller Ave Beacon Ny 12508
* (2005) mortgage and deeds filed for Donna Bamond Archer and Michael Archer in town of Fishkill, NY.
* (2007) Judgement against Archer Michael E Po Box 28 Fishkill Ny for $35,199.75.  Plaintiff is Hudson Valley Fcu. There are some minute orders that name co-defendents ARCHER MICHAEL E LP 04/13/2007 2:38PM 105 2115 04/16/2007
D PINE VANDERLYN R LP 04/13/2007 2:38PM 105 2115 04/16/2007
D ROBINSON ANNY S LP 04/13/2007 2:38PM 105 2115 04/16/2007
D COMMONS AT FISHKILL LP 04/13/2007 2:38PM 105 2115 04/16/2007
D DOES JOHN LP 04/13/2007 2:38PM 105 2115 04/16/2007
D DOES JANE

I researched Michael Archer and can find no other mention of him as a forensic scientist.  If he is a photographer, as listed in the wikipedia entry, I can find no mention of him as a photographer, either.

When looking at the picture of him, he looked Aruban to me, or at least Caribbean.  I found a listing for a Mr. Michael Archer (Director) Office of Public Sector Reform in Barbados!  Address is: 20-23 Roebuck Plaza, Roebuck Street, B'town.  Link is http://www.barbados.gov.bb/contactus.htm .  This is probably no connection, but I found it interesting.

[NYC_lover]

Is there anything new today, about the boat?

[MumInOhio]

Frank Thanks...I would be surprised if she were to reply! I know you'll post if she does!

I think that Beth has told a little of what she can in 'Loving Natalee'. There was a reason that paragraph was written other than to tell us about Scarface. I really need to read it again, with that in mind.

And I agree...it's not about J2Ks!

[Nut44x4]

Good job AZLADY...I knew when I saw that wiki a while back that it was hogwash...then when I started searching and was hardpressed to find any connection to him as a forensic 'anything', I knew Joe T. was full of it. There wasn't much info on him at all and like you said...not a scientist, for sure. I HATE THEM ALL! Just lie after lie after lie. Pathetic excuses for human beings.

[AZLady]

Nut, Taco is all about appearances.  I wouldn't put it past him to grab some guy he knows who needs the money, tell him what to say and do, and then take him to Aruba with him and introduce him around as a "forensic scientist."  When we Monkeys began to question who he was, someone created a wiki entry for him so we would find it.  Phony, phony, and more baloney.