Lively Case Discussion #514 8/19 - 8/21/2006

[IBE]

anidac

Please post when you get back from the ER and let us know how it went... Good luck!

Luv all

IBE

[klaasend]

Klaas,

Sorry forgot the second "a"  but you still are a Klass (Class) act.

Monkeys keep to the good work

IBE - Shango is not a problem in this thread.  I don't think it's necessary to create another Code thread like we had before.  There's not enough news right now to keep two threads moving in the case anyway.

I have long believed in Shango and Simian.

[Bearlyhere]

I knew you day monkeys would wimp out on me...

Lala's, I am not going anywhere.  Why so glum, chum?

Mrs. Red organized these dance lessons and then she decides to take a nap.  No one wants to dance with me.  Tango?

Oh.  I don't tango well, but I will listen and try to help. ?

[sb]

Yeah, I am afraid I need to call it a day too. Bearlyhere, you missed a lot of stuff from earlier and if you aren't caught up, you ought to go back and read some.

See y'all tomorrow night.

[Bearlyhere]

Lala's said:
From Joran's June 9 statement:
I told Deepak to drive to the Lighthouse because Natalee had said to me that she wanted to see sharks. I had told Natalee that there were no sharks but she insisted that she had seen sharks already. At no point had Natalee said to me that she wanted to go to the North Coast. With Deepak's car one cannot drive to the North Coast because his car is too low.

That little statement bothers me for some reason. What is the reference to the North Coast? Was Joran accused of being seen there? Is this the place where the most recent witness claims to have seen Joran with Natalee?
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So Joran is telling Deepak to go to a place where Deepak's car can't go so Natalee can see the sharks she already saw?  Joran is saying Natalee didn't ask to go there specifically, but Joran did?

[Bearlyhere]

Yeah, I am afraid I need to call it a day too. Bearlyhere, you missed a lot of stuff from earlier and if you aren't caught up, you ought to go back and read some.

See y'all tomorrow night.

Hi sb!  That's exactly what I am doing, thanks.

[Lala'sMom]

Well it's obvious I have cleared the room with Shango once again...I give up!  I am going to bed too.  Too bad you guys don't like to tango...Shango was privy to the perp statements and that is how the riddle started.  He was trying to tell what they were saying and what was being said about them without losing either his source on the inside or maybe even his own job.  Since the statements have surfaced I have found many things that make more sense of Shango and Simian than I ever have.   So who really knows for sure if any of this is legit?  Shango knows.   Night monkeys...hugs to Nemo.

[klaasend]

I'm calling it a night as well.  Goodnight all!

[spooky112483]

Is Mrs Red still here? Probably not but I have to ask her...
Mrs Red...if you dont like your food to touch, then how do you eat chicken-pot-pie???
And if you dont then you are really missing out
Also, I guess you could dip the biscut in the tomato gravy

[IBE]

Thanks Klaas

I am only on page 30

I am glad there won't be a sep. thread... after I posted that I rethought and if we keep it hear.... we might just get going into this again... and have many BINGO MOMENTS... since more is being "released" every day... ie statements et al

Lala'sMom
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
Location: small town in Alabama
   
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:59 pm    Post subject:    
NOTE TO TYLERGAL

Dancing lessons will begin tonight. Included will be the Shango Tango and the Simian Shimmy. I may even throw in the Merian Mash. I have reservations for you, so be prompt. All monkeys welcome.

This is CHOICE!

Gads, it's hard when you get hours/pages behind in the reading.

Sure wish I could reread the Code Talkers Thread again.

It would be with "newer eyes"

Thanks all

I regrouped with a Dr. Pepper (gee thanks Southeners!) You have changed me off Cokes.

Lala I see you are here with your pencils. I'd like to dance with you all but can't tonight re: Mr. None and all suffering

Hey... don't forget to email Bill O'Reilly and thank him for the comments he make about the NH case

[memphis]

Well it's obvious I have cleared the room with Shango once again...I give up!  I am going to bed too.  Too bad you guys don't like to tango...Shango was privy to the perp statements and that is how the riddle started.  He was trying to tell what they were saying and what was being said about them without losing either his source on the inside or maybe even his own job.  Since the statements have surfaced I have found many things that make more sense of Shango and Simian than I ever have.   So who really knows for sure if any of this is legit?  Shango knows.   Night monkeys...hugs to Nemo.

LALA'S, YOU ARE BRILLIANT!!!!

Could the key be the panties? The panties Anita could describe so well?

[sb]

Juping back in for a minute to test my dsl.. hi spooky! You're gonna have to carry on tonight, I HAVE to head out so I can get up early tomorrow.

Ibe, Lala's, Bearly, everyone, I think there's a lot to the Shango stuff and I think we need to continue this and look at what he(?) really was trying to tell us. I think there's a LOT of detail in his story that would explain things.

I have never subscribed to the idea that this case is "simple", if it was, it would have almost solved ITSELF with self-evident details. Complicated events took place that night, and even more involved things happened to "paper over" the crime afterwards.

[IBE]

Yes Mrs. read... it's all in "plain view" (he he alittle Shango there). We are connecting more dots suddenly. Like a new surge.

I think in Shango he said "I have even danced with the Red Cowboy"
    IMO At first I thought.. really dancing and the writer had to be a girl??but that didn't make sense last month.. Now in the last few weeks I have learned that Red has lived/visited Aruba often for years.
I think this means the info has been shared with The SM and ref. too to the background info that Red told Beth etc at first that they might be getting "shined on"... ie a cover up.
          I wonder if the date in the code matches when Red was there?
I remember spending hours researching (ie learning) about bifrons (sp?) the music of Aruba, and myths the Code refers too.

Anna and many on the SM bus were the first ones... I saw your avatars on the bus last night and remembed.. shy me then.. lurked, and lurked

Now I wish to learn all your names.

Wish to go find my back up CDs to see who helped me with my avatar. Thought I was really a big Monkey then! Then we had Katrina and I posted there; then was ill and now back. I am glad we don't have the "rating" system... OK so much for last year!

Luv you all You guys (transplanted Hoosier generic for "you=all") are so smart and dedicated. The dots are close to being filled in. Sharpen you pencils.

[IBE]

Sorry Mrs. Red... I called you Mrs. Read.. OK so I am pages behind and my mind is sad, tired. Sorry Mrs. Red

[IBE]

Klaas,

Is it possible to have a locked thread archive posted of the Code Talkers Thread archive for the first few months? back in June to say to Dec.++ of last year?

If we are going to Shango Tango again.. ? I see an archive now of Shango, one on Ernest but there were others of deep knowledge that posted in the Code Thread.

Based on what we know now, we might get some BINGOs rereading the indepth postings... 'cause Shango really went into follow the Music, Myths, et al and it all meant something. Dutchlady had some really neat theories as many other Scared Monkeys that are still here today!

I guess, I just don't want to re=research what has already been posted and the research I did that I didn't know had already been done.

IMO the first card was played was the action of disposing of the body/coverup and started the coverup the first day... the second card was played when Paulus made some sort of deal with Dirty Hand(s) or ???? whomever in govt??? (maybe Shango tells us)  between the June10th when Joran was so glum, hit the police car and June 24th +- when he was upbeat looking like he knew he had beaten the system. Paulus knew one maze well... how to beat the judical/police enforcement maze by calling in his favors (cards played).

But like all mazes... one just doesn't know what is around the next new corner, do they? I don't think when the coverup was started they realized the "stick-to-it-ness" of Natalee's families, the Americans, some good Arubians and smart Scared Monkeys. IMO

Lala'sMom
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
Location: small town in Alabama

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:59 pm Post subject:
NOTE TO TYLERGAL

Dancing lessons will begin tonight. Included will be the Shango Tango and the Simian Shimmy. I may even throw in the Merian Mash. I have reservations for you, so be prompt. All monkeys welcome.

Lala dont forget the Bennent bend. the Anna lively waltz, the Arubiangirl polka, and the Dutchlady klog.  (sorry Anna couldn't think of names of dances for a better one for you) I'll try to do the IBE-wibby-waddle. I know there are those of you still here that were there, but I am just reading more and getting to know you.... the PICT of the Bus helped.

The Shango stuff brings back alot of good memories for me here. I'd tell my friends last summer... "oh this is what is going on... for I learned it on SM with the Shango code, just wait and see". and back last summer my friends told me to trade in the laptop! Now they call me when they see anything new in MSM in the case and say.. "didn't you tell us you learned it on SM long ago"

Go Go Monkeys , oh gads, the Monkey go go! Nite all.. actually no one is awake here.

[IBE]

SB thanks

Glad your DSL is working! I still have dial up but after 11 yrs. on Earthlink they gave me a deal this month and for life, yea that's what he said... on my dial up I couldn't turn down... to save $$ I am patient. DSL doesn't help me read faster... so I need DSL or more RAM for the brain.

Got alittle out of sorts tonight, but am back. Nite Nite have to go back to page 31

[dkpen]

                                       Angie


God bless,
dkpen~

[sharon]

Morning monkeys.

Lala's -- I wish we were on the same 'sleep' schedule I've been tangoing since the first Shango dance. I was here when he was posting. I read your posts from last evening and I wish I had been awake to discuss with you.

I forget now the spanish statement you needed translated  I'll look later.

Simian began posting in Spanish because there was a fake Simian posting at the time. Simian said he/she was South American (I assumed Venezuelan). A 'doppleganger' is -- a fake. This was the time that 'allyinmiami' was posting and she was 'interpreting' for Simain

I think both Shango and Simian had inside info. Not necessarily 'correct' info however, as we've seen the concentrated effort to divert and deceive.

I said it earlier yesterday -- from the first time I read Shango, I got the impression that this was FBI or DEA. Someone who may be privy to the 'larger picture' -- not just Natalee's disappearance.

We have large FBI and DEA offices in Miami. (Duh ) Deetch's blog placed Shango in Ft Lauderdale (if you've seen his blog from the last 2 weeks). Maybe there are offices there as well.

Anyway -- post is already too long  Just wish I could stay awake later than 9:00 to dance with you Lala's Mom. Maybe not 'answers' -- but the 'confirmations' are there in the early posts.

Read Shango's last few posts from June 30

[justinsmama]

Completely OT! Oh my gosh, I think that I may have discovered the root of many of the difficulties that Justin has! We've known for years that he has ADHD, and in more ones, an anxiety disorder. Also have known that he's a bright kid. I stumbled across a site about gifted children, which led me to research more re: their characteristics, and ultimately children who are both gifted and have ADHD.  Still much to determine with this, and luckily he is now in a school system that actually gives a chit and wants to assess him out the wazoo, in order to help him reach his potential, not just to get him to be "good".  Justin has been deeply impacted by our move from Indy, and is grieving. However, in the long run, this may well be the best thing that has happened for him in a long while. I am so excited and hopeful!

[mastiffs22]

Hello to evryone, I have been away for quite a long time.  Trying to catch up, but, things seem to be too messy for me to un-tangle.

I did want to say this about Aruba and what they don't want to share with the U.S.  It is amazing that 10 years after the JonBenet case, something is going on.  Maybe we will see an end to this.  AMazing what happens when the police know and care enough to try and solve a case.  Certainly these young jerks cannot have been smart as to have wiped out all traces of infor from the hard drives and/or cell phone records.

Many months ago I had been quite involved in the Holloway case.  Reading and adding my two cents worth every now and again.  I posted  several times about the rough road area, or lack of roads around the Lighthouse.  I had described one area in the back to the right facing the Lighthouse, that looked like a dumping ground used by people who frequented the place to drink and/or have sex.  Many, many broken bottles, all sorts of junk like shoes, food containers, etc.,  This area was half paved, like they dropped the extra asphalt there when they finished.  Beyond that mess the walking was very difficult.  Huge peieces of limestone and huge cracks between the rocks, some areas were very smooth but  also steep.  I had also mentioned that at the top of the road leading up to the lighthouse; a thick speed bump was across the road.  We were in a toyota sedan, and had to almost go over it with the car just barely rolling so as not to bottom out.  I cannot believe that Deepak would have gone up there.  I do not rule out the possibility of the strange area where the park workers were later seen "painting" rocks; as well as whatever strange antics took place in that same area with items going into or coming out of police car trunks.  At that time, another poster poo-pooed my statement.  Saying she had been to the Lighthouse many times and even on horseback but she had never, never seen what I had described at the top.

Just to add another remark to someones question:  What is she doing with him?  Do we know about a friendship/relationship they may have had in the Netherlands?  Obviously from the photos of her on the zorpia site she has travelled around.  Some woman like to have "scary" men in their lives.  For all we know, maybe she has her own scary side.  She may have known he was from Aruba and paid for him to escort her to his homeland to show her around.   Burning question in my head::: why doesn't Joran ever wearing a swimsuit or shorts?  He does look pretty silly on the beach all covered up and her hardly covered.

Okay, I feel better now that I have spoken to my cyber-friends.