Lively Case Discussion #514 8/19 - 8/21/2006

[IBE]

Just thoughts of mine:

friend of monkeys
I wonder if someday Shango or Simian will write a book......if i knew so much about this i could not hold onto it forever.....

IMO=You could hold on to your info for a long time if you wished to live to a ripe old age

Peaches
To me, every day on the daisy side of the dirt is a great day.

Great Peaches... a sense a humor means you are feeling better? You seems to have humor even in "off" days tho. Thanks.

Lala'sMom wrote:
About the money...gambling, money laundering, drugs, spending money, payoffs, gambling...Joran has a side job that paid very well up this point. There is money going or coming from somewhere or else he couldn't get away with just the small things like...gambling, drinking, etc.
LaLa's Mom
Someone in ALE knew all about this 20+ times. Someone with a dirty hand...oops! Sorry.

When the MSM was announcing the arrest or info about the 3 a reported said Joran was a drug dealer. This statement was very early on and I don't know if it was from Geraldo or not Klaas????

Some say they are just "doing a drive=by" here. I cringe each time they say that! Where I live they are serious.

Just a gut level feeling.. no reason known.. just this case will be solved. Some BINGOs coming up.Same kind of feeling when online here when the annoc. about Mr. None but this is a positive "gut feeling"

Food for thought: in the JonBenet case it is rumored that the murderer put a Santa pillow on her bed... do they always leave or keep trophies?

It gives me more "heads-up" that was told by Joran's mom to Greta about all the details of the panties

where are the records about those? or did they "just disappear" too. Wouldn't the ALA get them as evicence... Oh I forgot, they had 10 days to launder.

I read all of the 400 posts on the Front Page when Shango first came on.. see I thought he was on a SM Thread... but it was the Code Talkers de-coding that was here... anyway...  Elaine sure talks about areas of the rocks. et al. Very interesting.

Keep up the good work Monkeys.

[klaasend]

It was at the end of September

I have the article where Joran spoke to the NE reporter Kristina Pedersen from October 10th.  I just read it and I didn't see anything in there where he says they stopped somewhere to get drinks.

In fact that's the article where Joran claims the following:

"He said Natalee then asked him, Do you want to go home with me? and Joran said okay," Kristina added.

In a dramatic new twist, Joran then claimed that after leaving the bar, Deepak and Satish Kalpoe drove him and Natalee to his home - not to the beach.  Kristina said: "They went to his home for a while and then to the Holiday Inn, where she was staying.

Thanks San.  He tells so many lies I don't know what to believe any more.

Klaas I can scan the article and sent it to you.  I never scanned this particular article it was before I got my scanner at home and I remember typing most of it and posting it on the forum   What was I thinking

Actually, I think I have it or at least some of it.  I think I bought it and scanned it myself.  I was looking for the bar information and couldn't find it.  Don't worry about it San..thanks anyway.

By the way, if you are having problems with the forum being sluggish you aren't the only one!  It's acting up.

[klaasend]

The initial reports from the family and the media where that Natalee was last seen leaving CnC in the company of a local drug dealer.  I don't know if Geraldo also reported that.  I know Arbeej posted that on the Tripadvisor forum on June 1, 2005.

[San]

Actually, I think I have it or at least some of it.  I think I bought it and scanned it myself.  I was looking for the bar information and couldn't find it.  Don't worry about it San..thanks anyway.

By the way, if you are having problems with the forum being sluggish you aren't the only one!  It's acting up.

Thanks Klaas.  I am having problems and I'm calling it a night.

Have a good night.

[anidac]

Klaas, I didn't quite make it to bed like I said I was going too.  The little guy needs some fluids so I am trying to talk him into some juice.  

Did you see my email yet?

[klaasend]

Klaas, I didn't quite make it to bed like I said I was going too.  The little guy needs some fluids so I am trying to talk him into some juice.  

Did you see my email yet?

Anidac - yes I did, very cute!  

[klaasend]

Very interresting front page post just now by poster 10061906:

I have been reading SM postings while away and unfortunately there is really nothing really new that I could possibly add except perhaps the following. This is assuming that Deepak’s testimony (on SM)is truthful and accurate and thus would eliminate Deepak and Satish from being charged with Natalee’s disappearance.
On the evening of May 29th, 2005, Joran and Paulus left the Excelsior and they went home together. They may have discussed Natalee. If, and it is a big if they could get Natalee, they had a prearranged place to meet later. Deepak picked up Joran and later Natalee at C & C’s. I still do not know why Deepak volunteered to take Joran and then pick up Natalee at C n C’s if there was nothing in it for him and his brother; unless Joran offered to pay them. After driving around they came to the road that Joran asked Deepak to stop, both Natalee and Joran left the car. (He was never asked to show which street.) (See Deepak’s testimony) Joran and Natalee walked down the road towards the beach and waiting for them is Joran’s father. (He had to remain unseen from any witnesses.) They get her into PVDS’s car. They then went back to the Van Der Sloot compound. At some point in time she is left alone and manages an abbreviated phone call. After that fiasco she is restrained. Imaginations can run unabated as to what may have taken place. She may have fallen on the rocks around the swimming pool. She could have choked from being gagged. She may have been turned over as payment for gambling debts.
I have been of the opinion that she was buried and latter cremated. However; in view of what one poster has stated concerning his sister remote possibility. She, Natalee may have eventually been placed in the landfill. After all there was a witness. Later the area was covered over and set fire before being fully investigated.
Based upon Deepak’s testimony at that point in time May 30th, 2005, the K2’s knew nothing of PVDS’s involvement, what happened to Natalee and where she may be.
Other than this as a possible explanation, I can’t fitQuido, Geoffery and others fit into this puzzle even though they are still considered suspects. I stated before it may have been misogamists’ revenge. I’m just trying to make it as simple as possible. I have nothing more to speculate. I have no idea why Paulus continues to pay the K2’s legal fees except to spy and be able to know first hand what going on with the brothers.
I also don’t know how Van der Sloot, Van der Straaten, Dennis Jacobs and Williem von Cromvoirt are involved; but they are all associated either by friendship and being in the legal system in Aruba and the Netherlands.
No matter what I have speculated in the past I now believe the whole affair was a father and son operation with a coverup.
They did not have to put Natalee’s family through over a year of hell. If they can lie this much now a lie as to what happened to Natalee and supply her body could have been done last year.

PS I hope Fabienne is smart enough not to be alone with PVDS when Anita is not around

[klaasend]

Posted by Grande on the front page, the almost complete photo list of Joran's character witnesses:

CHARACTER WITNESSES…

http://i7.tinypic.com/24yd3mh.jpg

[klaasend]

Well, since everyone's gone I'm going to call it a night myself!  

[KatzHome]

Klaas, I didn't quite make it to bed like I said I was going too.  The little guy needs some fluids so I am trying to talk him into some juice.  

Did you see my email yet?

Anidac ~ Hi ~ what's up?  How is the little one who you brought to the ER last night ~ you guys have been in my prayers...

[klaasend]

Klaas, I didn't quite make it to bed like I said I was going too.  The little guy needs some fluids so I am trying to talk him into some juice.  

Did you see my email yet?

Anidac ~ Hi ~ what's up?  How is the little one who you brought to the ER last night ~ you guys have been in my prayers...

I was about to leave for the night and saw your post.  I think Anidac has gone to bed.  Her grandson is OK.  Seems he has the flu and and kindof a long story, he was left out in the sun too long on a hot day with the flu by his father who had him for the day.

[klaasend]

Goodnight Katz!

[Kat_Gram]

Those character witnesses posted on the FP... doesn't Fabienne stick out ?
The title of the montage should be  Bad Company.
The two one the end, look like guys whose pix are in the Post Office... FBI Most Wanted .  
Or Most Unwanted as Friends.    

[Grande]

Those character witnesses posted on the FP... doesn't Fabienne stick out ?
The title of the montage should be  Bad Company.
The two one the end, look like guys whose pix are in the Post Office... FBI Most Wanted .  
Or Most Unwanted as Friends.    

Kat_Gram...

Here is the link to the front page of the "Portfolio of Character Witnesses" I am preparing > http://i7.tinypic.com/24yd3mh.jpg (The individual profiles of each will be provided asap)

Klaasend and I have been looking for web activity on Caro Croes with no luck to date.  Multiple names have been either mispelled or an alias was used.  I spent a week trying to locate 19 of them.  Klaasend found Fabienne and to everyones surprise linked Fabienne to Joran in the recent pimp 'reunion' in Aruba.  

I have a very interesting email from one of the 21 witnesses!  I also have an ongoing discussion with another! Let's try and keep that on the down low for the time being however.  I would advise everyone to not repost that particular detail anywhere other than here for the time being.  

I will post the details of the dialouge I have had with these 2 as soon as I am certain I have exhausted the potential for more communication.

[Kat_Gram]

Those character witnesses posted on the FP... doesn't Fabienne stick out ?
The title of the montage should be  Bad Company.
The two one the end, look like guys whose pix are in the Post Office... FBI Most Wanted .  
Or Most Unwanted as Friends.    

Kat_Gram...

Here is the link to the front page of the "Portfolio of Character Witnesses" I am preparing > http://i7.tinypic.com/24yd3mh.jpg (The individual profiles of each will be provided asap)

Klaasend and I have been looking for web activity on Caro Croes with no luck to date.  Multiple names have been either mispelled or an alias was used.  I spent a week trying to locate 19 of them.  Klaasend found Fabienne and to everyones surprise linked Fabienne to Joran in the recent pimp 'reunion' in Aruba.  

I have a very interesting email from one of the 21 witnesses!  I also have an ongoing discussion with another! Let's try and keep that on the down low for the time being however.  I would advise everyone to not repost that particular detail anywhere other than here for the time being.  

I will post the details of the dialouge I have had with these 2 as soon as I am certain I have exhausted the potential for more communication.

Ok, I read your post on Guido. He might have been left out because he was named a suspect in February. Plus, he has one of the best lawyers in Europe representing him. Other suspects in a murder case do not make good character witnesses.

[Grande]

List of known Tickle sites for the 21 character witnesses...

Jaime Carisquilla   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=CqHOEUBMNl4cqyqu
Michael Dompig   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=.6iucirt.2TMYgSG
Taylor Escobedo   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=J.hbnScSwliAdmCl
Koen Gottenbos   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=cRESLtgdmFzyeTNd
Sander Gottenbos   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=-NZ_ow.j5rsDnVj8
Melody Granadillo   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=ZtQjWH-8ggt2lKin
Aline Hibbert   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=fl-tVEWN4WYU9ZZB
Kawish Misier
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=fccwevYGEFckQ.D.
Sasha Ridpath
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=bZADrC2PqYY8IhOH
Andre Santos
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=bngDSqBp3tu6q8fX
Arthur Santos
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=ZqEAa9qKxy1iVUQ7
Freddy Zedan
http://profile.tickle.com/Cj6EbUxs1Bwouc5i
Alexsander Zievinger   
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=sHmzJDkx5VZgCKzj

I will post the known myspace and  Zorpia sites tomorrow.  Perhaps we can keep this list and see what it evolves into.  

Reach out to them, who knows what they might say  

[Buckeye]

Those character witnesses posted on the FP... doesn't Fabienne stick out ?
The title of the montage should be  Bad Company.
The two one the end, look like guys whose pix are in the Post Office... FBI Most Wanted .  
Or Most Unwanted as Friends.    

Kat_Gram...

Here is the link to the front page of the "Portfolio of Character Witnesses" I am preparing > http://i7.tinypic.com/24yd3mh.jpg (The individual profiles of each will be provided asap)

Klaasend and I have been looking for web activity on Caro Croes with no luck to date.  Multiple names have been either mispelled or an alias was used.  I spent a week trying to locate 19 of them.  Klaasend found Fabienne and to everyones surprise linked Fabienne to Joran in the recent pimp 'reunion' in Aruba.  

I have a very interesting email from one of the 21 witnesses!  I also have an ongoing discussion with another! Let's try and keep that on the down low for the time being however.  I would advise everyone to not repost that particular detail anywhere other than here for the time being.  

I will post the details of the dialouge I have had with these 2 as soon as I am certain I have exhausted the potential for more communication.

Are you sure Michael Dompig is one??  I have it as Doming

[sharon]

http://tinyurl.com/r4v4h

Klaas --

From your post #54 -- MEP article -- responding to 'bunchodamnrats'


Do you know where this picture/collage came from?

Doesn't it look like a collage put together from pieces of comic books

Maybe 'Marvel' comic books

I couldn't find it on the dj's zorpia site -- but I admit I try not to spend much time on the tickle/myspace/zorpia stuff


(btw -- I usually try to catch up on the FP posts before coming into the forum to catch up. some very interesting posts. and for the few trolls left -- it's a fun game of mine to figure out what the old 'nic' was )

[San]

Posted by Grande on the front page, the almost complete photo list of Joran's character witnesses:

CHARACTER WITNESSES…

http://i7.tinypic.com/24yd3mh.jpg

And look at what one of the little Character Witnesses is holding in his hand.  Is this is the drink of choice when drugging people.

[Buckeye]

San

Saw that right after the George Smith case and thought the same thing............