Lively Case Discussion #514 8/19 - 8/21/2006

[Grande]

http://i8.tinypic.com/257lxt0.jpg  

Gardener's house, Alleged drop off Site, T.J. Ward's second witness, etc.

before I go to cry..thanks Grande..it makes sense to me!! I have read your FP posts and you excited me with your research and knowledge like no other!! So glad you are "officially" a member!! I have longed to probe your mind and research for a long time!! Just ask Klaas!! Welcome!!

Well I am flattered thank you!   Please don't cry though  

I am working on some new developments I think everyone will be interested in seeing in the next day or two.  I appreciate you taking the time to read my posts!

Grande!! Ask Klaas!! Have been watching your developements and REALLY REALLY impressed!! What a jewell you are!! So so glad you are with us now!! And sometimes ya just gotta cry..it's just too sad!!

Thanks again!  I agree crying is necessary to heal.  

Klass...
 
I was using a proprietary SM image as reference.  I went back and looked, the location I have labeled alleged drop off spot s/b location of Deepak's car @ 2:30am.

[klaasend]

Grande - yes, that would be where their car was spotted by the gardener.

[ldstlou]

Last post..through tears!!
Although no one wants to go there...think we have to focus in on the minds of the culprits...and we KNOW the culprits!!
We definately have an understanding of what goes on on the island...too ugly for words!! But we have to start thinking of Joran, k2 brothers and freinds as "Wanna be's". If they were real players...I really don't think they would be alive!! Does Paulus have enough stuff on the "real" players to keep his son alive...I think that is obvious!! Is Joran pushing the limits to his father's control...."HELLO!!!!!!!!" He's gotta be feeling the pressure!!!
Are people who covered the crime "For the sake of the Island and Tourism" tired of seeing Joran's ugly mug? HELLO!!! Would drive me nuts!! Especially since the only ones making $$ right now would be the Van Der Sloots!! the reason for the Island's desmise to begin with!!
We gotta figure out 1st of all...what makes the island tick...think Red and Klaas have got that down pat and have answered that everyday!! God Bless their souls!! $$$$ which is in a downward spiral!!
Next...these boys learned the "game" from somewhere...and in my opinion..Grande has got that covered!!
3rd...gotta admit...although they SO FAR they have gotten away with it..we are dealing w/ KIDS!!! AMATEURS!!!!
They have "gotten away with it" because they have so far not threatened the "players". But threathen the REAL players!! and these boys will be gone!! That is why I think we should follow Grande's lead!! And see where the"Players" these boys learned from...leads!!

[blah]

That comment....they had a rolling hotel, complete with video, was right on! Especially considering the porn site visited later that evening by one of the people in the Sloot household.

and Blah's comment made me laugh too

how much you wanna bet a pimp mobile hotel on wheels is fully stocked with condoms and other pimp stuff

[Kimmy53]

http://i8.tinypic.com/257lxt0.jpg  

Gardener's house, Alleged drop off Site, T.J. Ward's second witness, etc.

before I go to cry..thanks Grande..it makes sense to me!! I have read your FP posts and you excited me with your research and knowledge like no other!! So glad you are "officially" a member!! I have longed to probe your mind and research for a long time!! Just ask Klaas!! Welcome!!

Well I am flattered thank you!   Please don't cry though  

I am working on some new developments I think everyone will be interested in seeing in the next day or two.  I appreciate you taking the time to read my posts!

Gosh Grande... Can't wait to see.  I have wanted to say thanks for the pics and it is good to see you in the cage.  Welcome!!!

[Shell]

OT...without elaborating, my tests did not come back good. A prayer my way would be much appreciated.

Do you all ever wonder if ALE is spending as much time on solving this case as the people here do? They should have maps up and charts up and be putting their heads together and should have had this solved by now.

Stuck on stupid or corrupt? My money is on corrupt, nobody can be that stupid.

[KatzHome]

Good day to all you monkeys. Speaking of the dynamics of that family, I found it odd that in the videos of that family that I saw, mind you I did not see everything, for sure...but I found it odd that I don't recall Anita and Paul walking hand in hand or touching/hugging or kissing each other. I did see many times Joran was walking hand in hand with his Mom,  hugging his mom, and making more physical contact. I am not concluding a perverse relationship with mom and son, but I conclude Mom and Pop have serious problems with each other.

my observation in all of the times I have seen them... is that jvds acts like he is the parent... he kisses the top of his mom's head and pets her like she is a child...and in the CA video - that interview - pvds is struggling with all the luggage... jvds is just hanging with his IPOD...

I just wonder if he does that because he's so much taller than his parents...

[KatzHome]

OT...without elaborating, my tests did not come back good. A prayer my way would be much appreciated.

Do you all ever wonder if ALE is spending as much time on solving this case as the people here do? They should have maps up and charts up and be putting their heads together and should have had this solved by now.

Stuck on stupid or corrupt? My money is on corrupt, nobody can be that stupid.

OK Shell ~ I will ~ saying a prayer right now..

[ldstlou]

OT...without elaborating, my tests did not come back good. A prayer my way would be much appreciated.

Do you all ever wonder if ALE is spending as much time on solving this case as the people here do? They should have maps up and charts up and be putting their heads together and should have had this solved by now.

Stuck on stupid or corrupt? My money is on corrupt, nobody can be that stupid.

So ashamed...but have been out for awhile and still catching up..what tests? Tell me what to pray for and I will pray!!

[KatzHome]

And, are we going to talk about the possibility of their using a gun tonight ~ not that I have anything to add...  but I do like Mrs. Red's thoughts on the headliner of the car...  does make sense...

[thirdstrike]

OT...without elaborating, my tests did not come back good. A prayer my way would be much appreciated.

Do you all ever wonder if ALE is spending as much time on solving this case as the people here do? They should have maps up and charts up and be putting their heads together and should have had this solved by now.

Stuck on stupid or corrupt? My money is on corrupt, nobody can be that stupid.

I beg to differ Shell!  In reading about some of the happenings in this case (by the ALE), I think using the word "stupid" would make stupid people angry...

I do think the corruption began as a result of having to cover up the fact that it began stupidly...

Wait...does that even make snese?  Now I'M stupid...

[ldstlou]

Good day to all you monkeys. Speaking of the dynamics of that family, I found it odd that in the videos of that family that I saw, mind you I did not see everything, for sure...but I found it odd that I don't recall Anita and Paul walking hand in hand or touching/hugging or kissing each other. I did see many times Joran was walking hand in hand with his Mom,  hugging his mom, and making more physical contact. I am not concluding a perverse relationship with mom and son, but I conclude Mom and Pop have serious problems with each other.

my observation in all of the times I have seen them... is that jvds acts like he is the parent... he kisses the top of his mom's head and pets her like she is a child...and in the CA video - that interview - pvds is struggling with all the luggage... jvds is just hanging with his IPOD...

LOL you Sweet Catholic Girl!! Me too before this case!!
 But think it is much more deep and evil than just being taller!! Something really evil in this family!!

I just wonder if he does that because he's so much taller than his parents...

[sharon]

That comment....they had a rolling hotel, complete with video, was right on! Especially considering the porn site visited later that evening by one of the people in the Sloot household.

and Blah's comment made me laugh too

how much you wanna bet a pimp mobile hotel on wheels is fully stocked with condoms and other pimp stuff

Well, here's an instance where they're not 'mobile'.


To your question whether I know the girl named "Stephany BOEKHOUWER", I answer you the following. This year, I don't remember the exact date, Freddy, Jaime and me went to a "Houseparty" in Oranjestad. We drove in Jaime's car to the houseparty. The car of Jaime is famous because we had experienced a lot of things in Jaime's car. Jaime has a 4-door green "Honda". On that day Freddy had sex with Stephany BOEKHOUWER on the backseat of Jaime's car. I gave Freddy a condom before he had sex with Stephany. While Freddy was having sex with Stephany on the backseat, Jaime and myself stood down at the trunk of the car and drank alcoholic beverages.



I wonder where they parked? The lighthouse? The racquet club?

They say they have a lot of experience in Jaime's car. They must have a 'favorite place' to park?

I wonder why they mention the house party -- unless that's where they met up with Stephany?

[ldstlou]

OT...without elaborating, my tests did not come back good. A prayer my way would be much appreciated.

Do you all ever wonder if ALE is spending as much time on solving this case as the people here do? They should have maps up and charts up and be putting their heads together and should have had this solved by now.

Stuck on stupid or corrupt? My money is on corrupt, nobody can be that stupid.

I beg to differ Shell!  In reading about some of the happenings in this case (by the ALE), I think using the word "stupid" would make stupid people angry...


3rd..understand your anger PERFECTLY!! Although the players or wanna-be's may have been stupid...there is definately something evil and sinister about this "One Happy Island"  Just wish it did not cost poor Natalee her life to expose it all. Can't stop crying today.
I do think the corruption began as a result of having to cover up the fact that it began stupidly...

Wait...does that even make snese?  Now I'M stupid...

[Kimmy53]

OT...without elaborating, my tests did not come back good. A prayer my way would be much appreciated.

Do you all ever wonder if ALE is spending as much time on solving this case as the people here do? They should have maps up and charts up and be putting their heads together and should have had this solved by now.

Stuck on stupid or corrupt? My money is on corrupt, nobody can be that stupid.

Consider it done!  Prayers going up right now.

[Shell]

OT...without elaborating, my tests did not come back good. A prayer my way would be much appreciated.

Do you all ever wonder if ALE is spending as much time on solving this case as the people here do? They should have maps up and charts up and be putting their heads together and should have had this solved by now.

Stuck on stupid or corrupt? My money is on corrupt, nobody can be that stupid.

So ashamed...but have been out for awhile and still catching up..what tests? Tell me what to pray for and I will pray!!

My health~guess I will elaborate a little. In checking out some pains, apparently I have 3 fractures, and I have only done normal activities. In finding those fractures and source of pain, 4 areas of concern showed up, in addition to the 3 fractures. All I can say now, as is all I know, more tests to be done in weeks to come.

[ldstlou]

AAAHHH!!!!
I messed up all my quotes!! lol...phones ringing off the hook!! Hope you can all find MY quotes in the midst of the quotes!! LOL

[thirdstrike]

AAAHHH!!!!
I messed up all my quotes!! lol...phones ringing off the hook!! Hope you can all find MY quotes in the midst of the quotes!! LOL

That's ok.  I understood what you meant...

How yopu doin', BTW??  Haven't seen you in a while...

[ldstlou]

OT...without elaborating, my tests did not come back good. A prayer my way would be much appreciated.

Do you all ever wonder if ALE is spending as much time on solving this case as the people here do? They should have maps up and charts up and be putting their heads together and should have had this solved by now.

Stuck on stupid or corrupt? My money is on corrupt, nobody can be that stupid.

So ashamed...but have been out for awhile and still catching up..what tests? Tell me what to pray for and I will pray!!

 

Osteoporosis? Have a 9 year old niece with osteoporosis. She is a little angel!! but had a spill on the jungle gym that cracked her backbone in 3 places and thats how we found it!! Emergency room and her hubby thought my sister was nuts when she kept taking my niece back and asking for a back ex-ray..but she KNEW something was wrong!! My niece is also mentally +++++++..not sure of the politically correct term...so she had no way of describing her pain..but my sister's love...a mother's love...had instincts it was something bad. Ohio Sate University..my Alma Mater...has a brand new clinic focused on osteoporosis. Hope it is jusr something minor!! But if not...send me an e-mail!! Also have a brother doing his post-doc and the NIH..let me know if I can help!!
My health~guess I will elaborate a little. In checking out some pains, apparently I have 3 fractures, and I have only done normal activities. In finding those fractures and source of pain, 4 areas of concern showed up, in addition to the 3 fractures. All I can say now, as is all I know, more tests to be done in weeks to come.

[ldstlou]

AAAHHH!!!!
I messed up all my quotes!! lol...phones ringing off the hook!! Hope you can all find MY quotes in the midst of the quotes!! LOL

That's ok.  I understood what you meant...

How yopu doin', BTW??  Haven't seen you in a while...

Actually life is good!! Enjoying the remainder of the summer after working so hard on the rehab.