Natalee Case Discussion #705 12/18 - 12/20/07

[msmarple]

I'm sorry - I sort of messed up my posting from Diario today. I failed to put the Pap version (directly from Diario) of the last two articles in quotes.  Hope that doesn't confuse anyone.

Or maybe klaas can fix. 

Meanwhile - Murder & Crime thread views - 45,038. (Just passed 45,000.)  Hope some of them are web searchers.

[Anna]

This was posted on the FP.  Wonder if Paulus is practicing law again?  Bet he has advised Joran's lawyer (wonder if that would be his Aruban lawyer or his American lawyer) to be sure and file a complaint against the searchers just in case they find Natalee:


Amsterdam 020 on December 19th, 2007 5:41 am

Please don’t believe everything that Fox is telling you!

In the Aruban media as well as the Dutch media it has been confirmed that (for now) the investigation is indeed closed.

For everyone’s understanding; this does not mean that the person(s) responsible for the dissapearance of Natalee will never be convicted. However new and strong evidence shall have to be presented in order to prosecute the suspect(s).

And again; neither the Dutch people nor the Dutch government have anything to do with the way the investigation was conducted. Only because the Aruban government invited the Dutch police detectives, they were able to get involved.

The Dutch media also report that the attorney of Joran van der Sloot is not happy with the fact that the Aruban prosecutors are not involved in the (private) boat search because of the risk that evidence is planted.

All the Dutch from Holland have shown so far is their continuing ability to catch and release suspects and making themselves look like senseless fools for wrecking the family of the victim's Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays, a time when comfort and sensitivity should have been shown. They look like royal assholes.

If I recall correctly the main suspect, his father who is also implicated, suspect GW, suspect GVC, the original Prosecutor, the Police Commissioner, the Lead Detective, the Prime Minister, the Attorney General, the Curacao judges were all Dutch nationals who were living and working in Aruba.

And this ain't a Dutch thang?

Dayhiker,

Are cases like Scott Peterson and Drew Peterson an American Thang?  Or even a Peterson thang?  Surely based on your logic they would qualify as that and yet some how I doubt that is true.  Same for the Dutch.  I could name you endless examples of crimes and corruption committed in this country but would not suggest that it includes a whole nation of people. 

Never implied it was Anna. read my list, does it say Dutch people on there? All I was stating was that the majority of players involved were Dutch and they all came from Holland and some did work for the Dutch government. Nobody is blaming the Dutch populus for any of this.

No where do you say government, just Dutch.  That includes everybody.

But we are all entitled to our own opinions.  I believe if this truly were a Dutch thang as you call it, they would have much greater crime problems in The Netherlands.  This seems rather peculiar to Aruba where I suspect the Dutch tend to send their misfits and problems.

Remember, they are only still there at the request of the U.S. that they not leave abruptly because it would destabilize the region.  There have been some very negative comments in the Dutch Parliament about Aruba including suggestions, jokingly supposedly, of selling Aruba to the highest bidder which one went on to suggest might be $1, not very complimentary of Aruba at all.

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[Tamikosmom]

I believe what is currently happening in the Natalee Holloway case is that ALL the current suspects will be released from suspect status because of insufficient evidence but ... the case will not be closed ... it will remain open ... waiting on "new evidence".

In other words ... Aruba is allowing the Natalee Holloway case to become a "cold case" which implies ... no family/FBI access to the case files!

I hope I am wrong.

Janet

++++++++++

Suspects in the Natalee Holloway Case:

1.  Mickey John - released from suspect status (?).
2.  Abraham Jones
3.  Joran van der Sloot
4.  Deepak Kalpoe
5.  Satish Kalpoe
6.  Steve Croes
7.  Paulus van der Sloot - released from suspect status.
8.  Geoffrey van Cromvoirt
9.  Guido Weaver

[Anna]

Taco Joe must have been running from TV program to program this morning.  He must really want to host his own show or something. 

The possibilities are endless for a name for it.  Disinformation Central comes to mind first. 

Off to work and lurk........

[Tamikosmom]

Anna or Tyler help, please. John Pauley's name came up a week or so ago, and I am not familiar with him. Was there a New York connection?
Any info would be appreciated. TIA

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/03/truth-for-natalee-aruba-hires-porn.html
ARUBA HIRES PORN ADVOCATE AS MEDIA ADVISOR
March 20, 2007


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/12/03/natalee-holloway-investigation-steve-cohen-appointed-as-spokes-person-for-aruba-let-the-spin-begin/
Scared Monkey FP
December 3, 2005

[dennisintn]

The possibilities are endless for a name for it.  Disinformation Central comes to mind first. 

Off to work and lurk........



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new york must not have any mafia bigshots on trial this week since taco's got so much time to spend flapping his lip over his precious sporter.
dennisintn

[friend of monkeys]

A PORN PERSONA in charge of the media????

what next???

[Observer]

Anna or Tyler help, please. John Pauley's name came up a week or so ago, and I am not familiar with him. Was there a New York connection?
Any info would be appreciated. TIA

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The judge called for Joran van der Sloot, 20, to be freed, according to John Pauly, a communications consultant who acts as a spokesman for the prosecutors' office. Details of the ruling were not immediately available and a news conference was scheduled for later in the day.

Hmmm....I wonder if this is the same John Pauly.....



ARUBA HIRES PORN ADVOCATE AS MEDIA ADVISOR

T4N EXPOSES THE TRUTH FOR NATALEE



John Pauly


“Researchers have shown the educational value of pornography and its role in enhancing communications between couples."


ArubaTruth reported this quote was made by John Pauly, a Media Consultant who represents Adult Freedom Foundation (AFF). This statement is contained in the contents of his letter's to Legislative Director Ken Miller and Dr. Phil McGraw of the Dr. Phil Television Show.




A letter was written to Dr. Phil McGraw in reference to AFF by John Pauly. In the letter Pauly addresses the porn industry with Dr. Phil and makes the following statements:

"Please allow the staff of the Adult Freedom Foundation to provide you with free expert information when discussing issues concerning the adult entertainment industry.
AFF can draw from a pool of attorneys, researchers and industry executives to counter misinformation and unfounded criticism from industry critics.
All too often television audiences are exposed only to attacks on the increasingly main stream adult entertainment scene.
There are two sides to every story and AFF wants to provide a balance to any print story or broadcast.
For example, researchers have shown the educational value of pornography and its role in enhancing communications between couples.
While adamantly against child pornography, AFF believes adults should be allowed to enjoy erotic entertainment.
AFF experts are ready to service your informational needs on a moments notice.
Thank you for your time and consideration." This communication was signed by John Pauly, Media Consultant.

John Pauly is a Veteran TV news producer who worked as a reporter in the 1980s at WCAU located in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He worked there with Steve Cohen, whom we have spotlighted in previous articles. At 20/20 WUVP-TV 65 also in Philadelphia, Pauly held the position of Field Producer per a 2004 source, univision.net.

An investigation reveals general counsel for Adult Freedom Foundation is Paul Cambria & John Pauly. These same two men are associated with strategic planning for Aruba in reference to the Natalee Holloway case. Cambria and Pauly are associates of Steve Cohen, the hired political consultant for premier Oduber and the MEP party in Aruba.

Public records indicate the AFF is located as follows:

•ADULT FREEDOM FOUNDATION
119 E. MONTGOMERY AVE.,
SUITE 2 ARDMORE, PA., 19003
PHONE 610 896 5558

In Ardmore, Pennsylvania, Montgomery County public records reflect a Mortgage Deed for AFF's street address and parcel registered to John Pauly.

Paul Cambria is a Buffalo, NY based first amendment attorney who has represented various figures and companies within the pornography industry.
Interestingly, Paul Cambria is Larry Flint's (Penthouse Magazine Founder) general counsel as well. In taking a deeper look into Cambria it is noted, "after George W. Bush's 2000 election, there was concern within the pornography industry regarding possible future U.S. Justice Department prosecution over obscene material. Cambria is known for creating a list of sex acts which he recommended pornographers not film so as to avoid possible legal problems with the U.S. Government. It became known as, "The Cambria List" and is controversial and subject to interpretation, even within the porn industry."

Adult Freedom Foundation actively participates in U.S. Government
as advocates for the porn industry. A reference can be made to  lobbying that took place in Congress where the General Counsel for AFF testified on its behalf.

"The Adult Freedom Foundation is pleased to announce that Paul Cambria, our general counsel, has been invited to testify before a U.S. Senate hearing on “Internet Pornography,” Thursday, Jan. 19, 2006.
Atty. Cambria will present oral testimony and then participate in a panel discussion before the Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation.

In a letter signed by Sen. Ted Stevens, the Committee chairman, Cambria is asked to: “Focus your testimony on what appropriate controls might be placed on pornography on the Internet and whether there is a role that government might play.”

Cambria also stated “I’m pleased that the Committee is allowing me to appear on behalf of the Adult Entertainment Industry to present a balanced picture on this important issue,” Cambria said.
“All too often in the past, Congress has heard only one side of issues involving the Industry. I’m hoping my appearance will mark a turning point in allowing AFF expert witnesses to testify at future hearings,” he said. Cambria acknowledged the support of AFF founders and the efforts of John Pauly, media consultant in making this break through possible.

Here is some revelation knowledge that Researchers at T4N uncovered:

"James writes:
Thanks Luke for continuing to expose the .xxx domain name scam. It is as obvious as the nose on your face that the scam is a way for a private, non-adult company (ICMR, Jason Hendales, CEO) to quickly make a few fast millions by extorting adult webmasters. If we must purchase just 25,000 domains (to protect our copyrights) at $60 a pop, that’s $1,500,000/yr out of thin air!

Meanwhile, adult content would be ghettoized thereby making the future right-wing crack down about 100 times easier. Some dimwits (usually so-called porn defending attorneys) say it is good because it will “legally protect” us and it’s voluntary. First, it is only voluntary so far and secondly, you know if an adult company does purchase their .com domain name in the .xxx version, they might as well throw away the .com version, because to continue to use it AFTER you set up a mirror site in .xxx would virtually be an admission of guilt!!! That you are continuing to try to attract those who don’t want to or shouldn’t be viewing your site.

Mr. Cambria and his attorney friends are the only ones in a love affair with the .xxx scam. Might it have something to do with the massive litigation that will ensue, making each of them far more valuable per hour and bigger stars than ever on the talk show circuit? Thankfully .xxx appears to be heading toward defeat. Otherwise it would be the first step toward the end of our industry on the Net." A reference to the source of this information is made to: http://www.lukeisback.com/archives/updates/060124.htm

NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE

At Arubatruth, a post by the Strategic Communications Task Force at 1:50 PM  on Saturday, October 8, 2005 was made that stated,  "A newsman who covered the case but wished to remain anonymous praised Pauly, who set up regular noon briefings to allow Aruban authorities to correct errors and rumors."

Pauly stated his "greatest triumph was persuading Aruban authorities to hold a press briefing when the suspects were released and made available for interviews."

"The Aruban police thought the American media were morons because of all the misinformation they were putting on the air," said  John Pauly. "So they weren't about to cooperate with them."

"This was the first time in the history of this investigation that the police actually cooperated with the media," said Pauly. "So the media got their access to ask questions."

Like Holloway, Bradley may have gotten too close to local characters of less-than-stellar repute.

http://web.archive.org/web/20060110184420/http://www.arubatruth.com/
What exactly is John Pauly suggesting in this statement ?

Unfortunately, the question of what happened to Holloway may never be solved. "Look at it from a logical point of view," said Pauly. "There's no body, so there's no murder. There's no crime. There's no rape because there's no complainant. There's no forensic evidence, no credible witnesses. So what are you going to do with these guys?"


DISCLAIMER: While every effort has been made to report the truth, this article  is subject to errors and omissions. It is not intended to slander, libel, or defame anyone. It is merely the opinion of researchers at Truth4Natalee.

Copyright Protected @ Truth4Natalee 2007
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[MumInOhio]

Anna or Tyler help, please. John Pauley's name came up a week or so ago, and I am not familiar with him. Was there a New York connection?
Any info would be appreciated. TIA

http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/03/truth-for-natalee-aruba-hires-porn.html
ARUBA HIRES PORN ADVOCATE AS MEDIA ADVISOR
March 20, 2007


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/12/03/natalee-holloway-investigation-steve-cohen-appointed-as-spokes-person-for-aruba-let-the-spin-begin/
Scared Monkey FP
December 3, 2005

Thanks Tamikosmom......Lets give Dugga's spiders some work


Google Aruba                        Yahoo Aruba

[sirensong]

 "There's no body, so there's no murder. There's no crime. There's no rape because there's no complainant."


Boy, that sounds familiar.  Wonder if this is one of Paulus' cronies.

[sirensong]

One day I was looking at the site meter, and it showed someone from this lawyer firm had come to this site.  Things that make you go hmmmm

http://www.paulweiss.com/firm/

[Tamikosmom]

"COLD" CASE ... NOT "CLOSED" CASE

December 19, 2007

Natalee Holloway Moved to Cold Case File
By MARGARET WEVER – 7 hours ago

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g03xmlbMM0BjGFGrLokyvroCO6FwD8TKEDD00

[Tamikosmom]

Klaas ... please change year in my post to 2007.

Thank you

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

Keepthefaith is praying always!!Thanx for continuing to find the great information and show this case for what it is.Corruption!!!This is quite the sleazy place.Pull away the layers and i don't think to many people will be traveling there!!Keep up the good work!!

Keepthefaith

[Port Valerie]

Never implied it was Anna. read my list, does it say Dutch people on there? All I was stating was that the majority of players involved were Dutch and they all came from Holland and some did work for the Dutch government. Nobody is blaming the Dutch populus for any of this.

No where do you say government, just Dutch.  That includes everybody.

(Snipped above quotes.)

Response: People get the government they want badly enough to fight for. Look what the students in Venezuela were able to accomplish just last month, in the face of a blatant dictator. Courage and convictions. If the people of Aruba had any convictions or courage, they would have a decent government. They don't. End of story.

[MumInOhio]

One day I was looking at the site meter, and it showed someone from this lawyer firm had come to this site.  Things that make you go hmmmm

http://www.paulweiss.com/firm/

Someone yesterday morning had searched Dr Carlo Vianna (sp) from lacabana. Maybe they needed a doctor! Arubans always looking at Mr Pink and their own Crime and Corruption.

Don't know why but when I click on the setard....address on the sitemeter, it says page not found. Been like that the last couple of days.

[Nut44x4]

O/T Klaas......why are there 2 names for the recent missing person in missing persons thread??

[private eye]

 Good morning. I don't think they can close this case, because to close the case they would have had to actually be investigating the case, and we all know that didn't happen. Maybe a search and destroy operation of all possible evidence. Maybe a stellar defense of the guilty production orchestrated by the prosecutor's office and the judges. Maybe a bungling public relations campaign that protects the guilty and condemns who they supposedly value so highly, a tourist. If the problems with this case rests with the prosecutor's office and the judges, conflict of interest being the obvious possible problem, then this is a Dutch problem, orchestrated by all Dutch Nationals, using Dutch Institutions, who have seemingly placed as shields in front of themselves the Arubian citizens. The Dutch hand pick every Dutch legal employee who have touched this case, they have procedures for handling conflicts of interest, and soley bear the responsibility for the independence and integrity of their employees actions. The Dutch are the only ones who could launch an investigation of the investigation itself.

[Port Valerie]

Aruba has a population of 103,484 and an area of 74.5 square miles.

That makes it the equivalent of Gary, Indiana, which has a population of 97,715 and an area of 50 square miles.

It certainly is possible to for a small population center to be more corrupt than not and to deserve its bad rep. We don't have to bend over backwards to be fair to the fine people of Aruba. Apparently there aren't enough "fine people" to clean up the mess.

 

[klaasend]

O/T Klaas......why are there 2 names for the recent missing person in missing persons thread??

Probably just added twice in error.  I'll go fix.

Edited to add:  I had incorrectly put the mothers name in as the missing persons name (Leah).  I corrected in the opening post but the incorrect name showed in the replies after.  I've fixed them all now.