Natalee Case Discussion #705 12/18 - 12/20/07

[robots]

i think when Mos is done talking, most people will go "HOLY COW"

the judge is ROTTEN to the core and it will clear as bells

MOS, because of their crazy laws - had his hands tied

NEW EVIDENCE was there, it is there BUT he cant use it

mos is still gutless, but the world will see what a farce this is

[Lala'sMom]

Let's play connect the dots...I am revisiting this for the benefit of those that may not have been in on previous (over a year ago) conversations.

Paul Brough, aka Mr. Pink is into the porn movie business...runs legit sailing business on the side. He makes tons more money with the porn. He in turn not only makes these videos, what better way to get fresh meat than use an island with tourists.  I would think that Mr. Pink would not need to drug his porn stars, since they would most likely be willing to earn some extra cash.  Word gets around the island. Especially in the casinos where the money is loose and the stakes are high.  There are those certain high rollers that can pay the price to have certain lovely ladies of the night in their company.  It's a "whatever you want" kind of scenario.  They fly in on private jets and pay to have their needs met whether it be gambling, drugs or prostitution. Now, if you are local and you cooperate and assist these high rollers..you get to sample the merchandise also.  I am talking about those on the island and those that frequent it for other legal reasons being able to partake of the high stakes gambling and such. 

Enter the children of the elders that see there is big money in all this. Now, it's more difficult for them to be able to get tourists to cooperate so you have to devise a plan and if you are lucky you make movies and then sell them to the guy that has access to the porn sites and can pay you for them.  Money that then can be laundered in the casinos.  There has to be a plan in place...visit the casinos...pick out the girls.  But wait...how do you get them to do this?  Ahhh....yes.  The sneaky date rape drug works wonders.  Maybe a little ecstasy too and you have a very compliant female that will remember little the next day.

Wow!  The local bars are full of these girls...tourists...they are like ripe apples just waiting to be picked.  They are having a good time unaware that anyone is planning more sinister things.  You do this over and over and Mr. Pink buys the videos and you have some cash to spend on whatever.  On the side you take your share of the goods too. 

Enter Freddy...the camera guy.
Enter Deepak...the internet connection and he has the car.
Enter Guido...the assistant in the casino that reels them in.
Enter Joran that knows there is money to be made....EASY MONEY.
The casino owner looks the other way...the ALE looks the other way...everyone just looks the other way...after all boys will be boys.

But then one night something bad happens...


Why does Paul Brough run like crazy?  Why does Guido leave so quickly? Add to that GVC, the pretty boy that flirts with the girls and is on the beach as much as Boeti. Favors have to be called in...Lorenzo, or Brough or Sander or Koen.  Someone helped dispose that body...Paulus simply called in the favor.  He was on the inside...he knew about Rudy Croes and his underworld dealings.  He knew all about the other elders and the ALE was powerless to do much since they had so many of their own involved too.  The island had a perfect system in place...casinos, gambling, prostitution, high rollers, young girls.....then something bad happened to Natalee.


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:01 pm
Of whom is the young Babylonian afraid?
Why won’t he talk?

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:05 pm
The dice throwers know
the maze of the rave
and the fly that entered the trap
DirtyHand is the key
He walks in many circles

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:33 pm
Follow the music


Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:37 pm
The DiceMen must be questioned.
They to go to the Music and enter the same Maze
Mary who was not a virgin entered
The DiceMen ROLLED
Mary ROLLED

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze
He knows of the forbidden fruit
and the gardeners

Shango Says: June 26th, 2005 at 9:43 pm
Did the babylonians like to make movies?
From the tears, a new river will spring forth….

[Anna]

Holy I was see this. Joran in De Gouden Kooien, that would be funny!

Good Morning, NYC,

What is this Gouden Kooien?  I know it is the Good something and I can't imagine Joran in anything good.

.

[SunnyinTX]

LegallyLex @ BFN

Posts: 39


     Re: Search Group Back to Aruba to Search for Natalee
« Reply #515 on: Today at 10:28:05 AM »   

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Good morning everyone! Uma asked a question about Dateline NBC yesterday and I did not know the answer.  I talked to John this morning and he said they are doing a story on this.  I hope that answers your question.

In any event, John said that the equipment is doing a great job!  I would ask that everyone continue to keep updated by checking out oceanexplorer Kyle's blog.  He writes daily with the updated information.

In the meantime, someone on here gave a site that showed the missing people in Aruba. I am having a hard time locating it again.  Can someone provide me with the site again.  I would appreciate it very much. 

Thank you so much for the continued prayers! Have a good day!

 Morning Nut... thanks for bringing this over

[SunnyinTX]

Good morning all! 

Good Morning NYC

[klaasend]

Thanks Wizard.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=4031425

Aruba to Detail Evidence in Holloway Case
Aruba Prosecutors to Detail Evidence Against 3 in Dismissed Natalee Holloway Case
By MARGARET WEVER
The Associated Press
ORANJESTAD, Aruba


Prosecutors on Thursday plan to divulge evidence they gathered over the last eight months against three young men who will not be charged in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway because it was not sufficient to charge anyone.

Prosecutors will detail what they had touted as "new incriminating evidence" at a news conference at the Aruban prime minister's office, two days after they dismissed their case against the suspects a Dutch college student and two Surinamese brothers.

The Aruban prosecutors say they still believe the trio were involved in the American teenager's disappearance, but cannot prove a crime was committed because her body was never recovered. They have said they focused on cell phone calls and text messages between the suspects.

On Wednesday, Holloway's family blamed mistakes by Aruban investigators for bringing the case to a dead end after more than two years of searching.

Holloway's stepfather, Jug Twitty, said he believes witnesses in the Dutch Caribbean island of Aruba know what happened but are not coming forward, and he criticized prosecutors' decision to dismiss the case against the only known suspects.

"It's also I think a sad day for the Aruban people because the officials there are inept," Twitty told The Associated Press in a telephone interview from Birmingham, Ala. Natalee's mother, Beth Twitty, referred a reporter's questions about the handling of the case to Jug Twitty.

The Aruba Public Prosecutor's Office said Tuesday it will not charge the three young men who were seen leaving a bar with Holloway on May 30, 2005, the night the 18-year-old vanished during a trip to the island with members of her high school graduating class.

Jug Twitty said Holloway's mother was considering appealing the prosecutor's decision and hoped a new search by a Texas-based private group in the waters off Aruba might find Holloway's body.

"I can't say we're optimistic," Twitty said.

The three suspects Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe were re-arrested last month and questioned for several days before their release. Prosecutors said they still believe the young men played a role in Holloway's disappearance, but they cannot prove it without recovering her body.

Detectives are assigned to review any new evidence that surfaces in the case, said John Pauly, a communications consultant for the prosecutor's office.

Van der Sloot, 20, a college student who was re-arrested in the Netherlands, declined to comment when reached Wednesday morning at his parents' home in Aruba.

"I'm sorry but I really have better things to do than this, OK?" he told the AP over the phone.

Jug Twitty, who recently divorced Beth Twitty, said police botched the investigation from the start by waiting nine days to arrest the three suspects, giving them "plenty of time to cover their tracks."

"There are also people I believe that know what happened but won't say anything because they have to live on that island," he said.

Complaints the last two years about the handling of the investigation prompted calls for a tourism boycott by officials in the United States, including Alabama Gov. Bob Riley.

"We'll be glad when it's out of the media ... We've suffered enough," said John Herbert, a receptionist at the Arubiana Inn on the island of white sand beaches off the coast of Venezuela.

[Tylergal]

NBC13HD Local News Video (Great Video)

http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/video.html

Good Morning.....******* thanks for bringing this video  here...but darn it you should have warned us that RENHO was on it...I nearly lost my breakfast

Don't ya love Louis Schaefer's statement....you can't just kill an innocent young American girl like that and sweep it under the rug like it never happened!  I love Louis Schaefer!!!

I wish these go-to newspeople would wake up and smell the stench from Julia Renfro and never, ever have ask that quack for anything, not even the time of day, because she lies every time she breathes, even if it is only in what she is thinking.

[Anna]

Anyone would be far, far safer to stay in Aruba than to "run" to the U.S. where there is much more regulation of the porn industry.  Would think most would rather deal with ALE than the FBI any day. 

MO

[SunnyinTX]

NBC13HD Local News Video (Great Video)

http://www.nbc13.com/gulfcoastwest/vtm/video.html

Good Morning.....******* thanks for bringing this video  here...but darn it you should have warned us that RENHO was on it...I nearly lost my breakfast

Don't ya love Louis Schaefer's statement....you can't just kill an innocent young American girl like that and sweep it under the rug like it never happened!  I love Louis Schaefer!!!

I wish these go-to newspeople would wake up and smell the stench from Julia Renfro and never, ever have ask that quack for anything, not even the time of day, because she lies every time she breathes, even if it is only in what she is thinking.

Hi Tyler!  boy do I agree......I am always shocked when they have her on...I know I shouldn't be...but I am....surely they are desperate people!!

[klaasend]

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

Update: Wed. 20-Dec -0430 hrs
The Persistence has completed the first day of the side scan sonar search. The search team is very optimistic about the probability of finding Natalee Holloway. The data quality is excellent and the conditions are sufficient to carry out the detailed search.

[Anna]

O/T Tornado on the ground near Columbia, Mississippi.

[crazybabyborg]

Well, somebody just go ahead and slap me up side the head, but I'm going to venture out on this limb one more time.............and wait for it to break in under me.

I think Mos will make a case for JK2's guilt in the press conference. Oh, they're released as suspects, but I think he'll provide a verbal swing at them on his way down. Mos can't be happy with the criticism that has come his way from ALL sides.

When Mos "inherited" this case, I think upon review he saw how compelling it was against the three and so he felt that any new evidence would suffice to break them if they were separated and in fear of exaggerated "touted" new evidence. I honestly think he felt they would turn against each other. He just needed a break and the arrests were the way he thought he could obtain it.

He was wrong. Way wrong. That strategy does not accurately measure the degree of Paulus' influence and direction, or the impact of their attorneys. It miscalculates the level of fear that was relieved as they walked out of jail and were told if they kept their mouth shut, it would be OK. That strategy also did not reflect the corrupt involvement of ALE in protecting against the truth ever coming out, and it was thrown right back in that soup where there was reason for ALE to protect itself at this point.

Too many layers have covered the whole thing for Aruba to ever pony up and do the right thing. Their mindset of truth being the answer for both the family and for themselves just does not exist. That's a scary, scary, thing.

[Tylergal]

Anyone would be far, far safer to stay in Aruba than to "run" to the U.S. where there is much more regulation of the porn industry.  Would think most would rather deal with ALE than the FBI any day. 

MO

So they were afraid when the Bush administration took office in 2001, they would need more lying liars to keep their whore dollars in place.  Too bad these idiots have not understood the American President has nothing to do with their whoremongering.  It seems to me they don't understand their system.

[Nut44x4]

Anyone know much about Paulus' lawyer Mr A. J. Swaen? Is he the bank and Minister Swaen? TIA

Yes, same one, Mum.

But they have different initials....??
Minister of Finance & Economic Affairs--Nilo J.J. Swaen
http://www.kabga.aw/en/index.php?page=nieuws

Paulus's lawyer= A. J. Swaen
http://arubayp.com/classpage/1/2/3/4/mcid-168/yellowsearch.html

[AZSunny]

I am confused by this headline, that is repeated.

Aruba to Detail Evidence in Holloway Case
Aruba Prosecutors to Detail Evidence Against 3 in Dismissed Natalee Holloway Case
By MARGARET WEVER

How can they say they "haven't" closed the case, and then release all the evidence?  We were not told over and over again that no info could be released, because if it was it COULD NEVER be used in a trial???  Are they doing this now, so the evidence can't be used if they find Natalee's body?  I am so irritated by the continual false information or the aruban gov. can and can not do legally. 

[MumInOhio]

Lala's Are these Lorenzo's gardeners?

Shango Says: June 27th, 2005 at 10:52 pm
DirtyHand has walked through the maze
He knows of the forbidden fruit
and the gardeners

[NYC_lover]

Holy I was see this. Joran in De Gouden Kooien, that would be funny!

Good Morning, NYC,

What is this Gouden Kooien?  I know it is the Good something and I can't imagine Joran in anything good.

Good morning Anna,

Well no Good meant Goed in Dutch. Just one letter different. 
Gouden Kooien is a tv programm, there are around 8 people in one house and one people that has all the people get out the house votes, he or she is the winner. He or she is miljonair after that.
That programm is follling all the people 24/7 with very much cameras.
In the programm they have sex, make attack to together and ect.
Many sex and another videos are staying on the internet (I don't want post the link directly...but many are stay on clickandvideo.com and youtube.com
This programm is not really nice for watching and really incredible.

[klaasend]

Per Glenda at RU - Press conference in Aruba should be right now

[NYC_lover]

Good morning all! 

Good Morning NYC

Good morning Sunny,
how are u been? Long time not spoken by the mail..lol..

[SunnyinTX]

Holy I was see this. Joran in De Gouden Kooien, that would be funny!

Good Morning, NYC,

What is this Gouden Kooien?  I know it is the Good something and I can't imagine Joran in anything good.

.

the nearest I can come up with is the Golden cage