Natalee Case Discussion #706 12/20 -

[Silverfox]

Nite CBB

Silverfox - you're getting very creative 

Hi Angie -  {{HUGS}}

 

[Sue]

Ok I know your all in bed, But I am just now listening to Dana's show with Jug and Now Listening to Red
I had a thought dont know if this has ever been thrown out there
But.. When Beth and Jug arrived at Sloots the first time
It was said and confirmed with plate number of Deepaks car behind gate.. Have you guys entertained the thought that When the family arrived that all the boys were there and Paul called Joran on cell
Joran told him that He was at casino when in fact he was home
and when Paul took off to run with everyone to casino then the boys quickly went and hid Natalee somewhere returned back at the home
when Paul called again and said where are you and Joran said he was back at home and Like Jug said they were sweaty and crap..

hmmmm just food for thought

[MumInOhio]

Ok I know your all in bed, But I am just now listening to Dana's show with Jug and Now Listening to Red
I had a thought dont know if this has ever been thrown out there
But.. When Beth and Jug arrived at Sloots the first time
It was said and confirmed with plate number of Deepaks car behind gate.. Have you guys entertained the thought that When the family arrived that all the boys were there and Paul called Joran on cell
Joran told him that He was at casino when in fact he was home
and when Paul took off to run with everyone to casino then the boys quickly went and hid Natalee somewhere returned back at the home
when Paul called again and said where are you and Joran said he was back at home and Like Jug said they were sweaty and crap..

hmmmm just food for thought

Hi Sue......someone just posted exactly this in the last week or so. I am sorry I don't remember who, but it does make a lot of sense.


There should not be any reason to wonder anymore why they released the suspects on the same day as the water search began. They were not going to wait until 12/31 in case something is found. We already have the bathtub comment and rumor of law suits. I would really like to know if it was Mos or Rudy who couldn't wait until 12/31.

[adoronron]

i havent posted in 2 years but follow regularly. i am a PI in oklahoma.

i noticed Jug mentioned "incinerator".  Do any of the old timers remember something about a murder/killing in Aruba right after Natalies disappearance involving someone working at an incinerator business?  Can Red or someone ask Josy?

This has always been a bother in the back of my mind.  They could have had her body disposed in an incinerator and then murdered the person so they could never reveal/testify. 

Anyone else remember this? 

kat

Yes...

HEYNINGEN, Rene Michel van   – partially decapitated man found at cemetery on 6-18-05. Rumored to run the incinerator at the Refinery. It is also reported that he ran the incinerator at Oduber Hospital.  Yesenia Castillo, his wife(?) is reportedly being held in KIA in conjunction with his murder.

i wonder if any ALE or anyone else investigated this at a granular level.  It has just always bothered me.  How convenient that someone who runs an incinerator was killed so timely.  His wife being held may be just the dirty ALE at work in the coverup.  Who knows. The fact her body has never been found and that J2K are so smug reeks that they feel safe that her body was well disposed of...especially with paulus orchestrating the master coverup (no body no crime).  Well, we'll see if they find anything in the ocean. 

Thanks for updating me on this part.

kat

well,  i might as well get it all out.  the most bothersome things to me have always been the incinerator murder, and the timely furniture truck at paulus' house and the pool work.  one of these days his sweat glands will clog up and hopefully he will blow up into pieces! that man is guilty as sin........IMO

Kat,
Since you brought it up. I've been keeping my opinion on this subject to myself but.....
I've always thought the same. The incinerator operator elimination, along with what paulus did not say, and the fact the ocean search has not been hampered by Aruba's judge club, is to me an indication that sadly there is no trace.
paulus did not say "if they can't find a body". He said "if there is no body".
I do hope I'm wrong on this.

Ado

[MumInOhio]

When administered in combination with alcohol, narcotics, or other central nervous system depressants, date rape drugs such as Rohypnol and GHB can cause seizures, cardiac and respiratory arrest, coma, or death.

Jug stating that ALE asked him if Natalee was epileptic makes me wonder if in fact she did have a seizure (something bad happened).

 If Natalee did have a seizure, it would explain Joran’s black eye. When a person has a seizure they often jerk and fling their arms and legs uncontrollably.

If Natalee was standing, she could have hit her head very hard on falling, if a car door was open, or if she was inside a vehicle, same result. If she was laying down she could have choked. She could have choked after hitting her head.

If Natalee did give Joran a black eye, I'm sure he retaliated, maybe with his size 14 shoe.
 

[sandy leiva]

Could someone clarify what was shown in the pics or video of a girl in a bathtub with blood that was reportedly on myspace back in 2005?  Did anyone in this group actually see it firsthand?  Thanks.

yes i actually saw this, there was a picture of a bathtub i believe it was on a website visited or by valentin, jorans younger brother, there were 2 females black lond
g hair, maybe asian decent screeching nathalee i remember they spelled her name out as if they were sounding it out. there was a tub they were standing over it the tub was filled wit blood.

[KarmaRoundUp]

I hope someone will ask the Kalpoes or their attorneys just what exactly it was that they were planning to do to American girls as discussed in the chatroom IM per Prosecutor Mos.

That should present a very interesting response.

.

Deepak Kalpoe
Suspect Statement
June 10, 2005

To your question as to what role Joran plays in our circle of friends, I can state the following. He has no real role. We are all the same.

To your question as to where we take the girls we pick up, I can state the following. Sometimes the girls stay at "Carlos & Charlies" or sometimes we take them to their hotel.

To your question was to what exactly happens when we have picked up the girls, I can state the following. Just kissing and dancing.

To your question whether sexual intercourse has happened, I can state the following. Yes, it has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that the three of us had sexual intercourse with a girl, I can state the following. That has never happened.

Good morning Monkeys
When deepak states that sometimes when they pick up girls,they stay at C&C's,this makes me think that C&C's has a backroom or basement for after hours partying.

[crazybabyborg]

I woke up with 2 thoughts about what we learned yesterday: One good, and One bad.

First, "the fact the girl is dead" statement was retrieved from a chat session on a hard drive, that in 2005 was not technically retrievable. That means that the hard drive had to be secured from the suspect's home on that initial search, right? I don't recall the Dutch removing anything during their more recent investigation. Am I right about this?

If I am right, then the timeframe of when the chat took place is locked in: between the time she disappeared and the hard drive was removed from the home.

Second; JQK, Beth, and Dave spoke with Mos for 4 hours and came away saying he had nothing new. Either Mos didn't tell them what he had, or this seemingly compelling evidence that appears new isn't what it has been portrayed to be in that press conference.

[Nut44x4]

Ok I know your all in bed, But I am just now listening to Dana's show with Jug and Now Listening to Red
I had a thought dont know if this has ever been thrown out there
But.. When Beth and Jug arrived at Sloots the first time
It was said and confirmed with plate number of Deepaks car behind gate.. Have you guys entertained the thought that When the family arrived that all the boys were there and Paul called Joran on cell
Joran told him that He was at casino when in fact he was home
and when Paul took off to run with everyone to casino then the boys quickly went and hid Natalee somewhere returned back at the home
when Paul called again and said where are you and Joran said he was back at home and Like Jug said they were sweaty and crap..

hmmmm just food for thought

Yes, I have always believed this. It makes perfect sense.

[ldstlou]

When administered in combination with alcohol, narcotics, or other central nervous system depressants, date rape drugs such as Rohypnol and GHB can cause seizures, cardiac and respiratory arrest, coma, or death.

Jug stating that ALE asked him if Natalee was epileptic makes me wonder if in fact she did have a seizure (something bad happened).

 If Natalee did have a seizure, it would explain Joran’s black eye. When a person has a seizure they often jerk and fling their arms and legs uncontrollably.

If Natalee was standing, she could have hit her head very hard on falling, if a car door was open, or if she was inside a vehicle, same result. If she was laying down she could have choked. She could have choked after hitting her head.

If Natalee did give Joran a black eye, I'm sure he retaliated, maybe with his size 14 shoe.
 

Mum, I went to bed last night thinking of what Natalee may have gone through. It just made me so sad. Very possible she had seizures. Even probable after listening to Jug. Explains also paulus looking up on the computer drugs and alcohol.

[crazybabyborg]

I woke up with 2 thoughts about what we learned yesterday: One good, and One bad.

First, "the fact the girl is dead" statement was retrieved from a chat session on a hard drive, that in 2005 was not technically retrievable. That means that the hard drive had to be secured from the suspect's home on that initial search, right? I don't recall the Dutch removing anything during their more recent investigation. Am I right about this?

If I am right, then the timeframe of when the chat took place is locked in: between the time she disappeared and the hard drive was removed from the home.

Second; JQK, Beth, and Dave spoke with Mos for 4 hours and came away saying he had nothing new. Either Mos didn't tell them what he had, or this seemingly compelling evidence that appears new isn't what it has been portrayed to be in that press conference.

Wanted to add that the press conference also referred to "other chats occurring before May 30, 2005" so that would also point to the hard drive that was initially removed during the first search.

[ldstlou]

I woke up with 2 thoughts about what we learned yesterday: One good, and One bad.

First, "the fact the girl is dead" statement was retrieved from a chat session on a hard drive, that in 2005 was not technically retrievable. That means that the hard drive had to be secured from the suspect's home on that initial search, right? I don't recall the Dutch removing anything during their more recent investigation. Am I right about this?

If I am right, then the timeframe of when the chat took place is locked in: between the time she disappeared and the hard drive was removed from the home.

Second; JQK, Beth, and Dave spoke with Mos for 4 hours and came away saying he had nothing new. Either Mos didn't tell them what he had, or this seemingly compelling evidence that appears new isn't what it has been portrayed to be in that press conference.

Morning CBB!!
My understanding is that Beth and John asked Mos alot of questions and he would not give them any answers. It is also my understanding, that Beth and Dave didn't even have the information Mos announced yesturday in the press conference!!! Once again, the press knew the information before the Family did. To make matters even worse, because it was in Dutch, the Family was scrambling for the information like we were!!! Waiting and watching for it to be translated to even know what Mos said!!! How is that for yet another stab in the back!!!

[ldstlou]

I woke up with 2 thoughts about what we learned yesterday: One good, and One bad.

First, "the fact the girl is dead" statement was retrieved from a chat session on a hard drive, that in 2005 was not technically retrievable. That means that the hard drive had to be secured from the suspect's home on that initial search, right? I don't recall the Dutch removing anything during their more recent investigation. Am I right about this?

If I am right, then the timeframe of when the chat took place is locked in: between the time she disappeared and the hard drive was removed from the home.

Second; JQK, Beth, and Dave spoke with Mos for 4 hours and came away saying he had nothing new. Either Mos didn't tell them what he had, or this seemingly compelling evidence that appears new isn't what it has been portrayed to be in that press conference.

Wanted to add that the press conference also referred to "other chats occurring before May 30, 2005" so that would also point to the hard drive that was initially removed during the first search.

I think you are correct CBB, seems it was the original hard drive.
Mos did not disclose any of the info to Beth, Dave and JQK. They found out through our site and the news translations what the evidence was Mos talked about.

[wreck]

I woke up with 2 thoughts about what we learned yesterday: One good, and One bad.

First, "the fact the girl is dead" statement was retrieved from a chat session on a hard drive, that in 2005 was not technically retrievable. That means that the hard drive had to be secured from the suspect's home on that initial search, right? I don't recall the Dutch removing anything during their more recent investigation. Am I right about this?

If I am right, then the timeframe of when the chat took place is locked in: between the time she disappeared and the hard drive was removed from the home.

Second; JQK, Beth, and Dave spoke with Mos for 4 hours and came away saying he had nothing new. Either Mos didn't tell them what he had, or this seemingly compelling evidence that appears new isn't what it has been portrayed to be in that press conference.

Wanted to add that the press conference also referred to "other chats occurring before May 30, 2005" so that would also point to the hard drive that was initially removed during the first search.

It tells me that J2K had tried desperately to erase their hard drives after the fact. In 2005, the tecnology to recover data was pretty good except for the latest expensive data erasers. Either ALE never did a thorough examination of their hard drives or the Dutch in 2007 used an even better tool to recover data. It would not matter if the original hard drive was analyzed in 2005 or 2007  -- the same data would still be the same and still on the hard drive.

[Blue Moon]

What time is the news conference with the Kalpoes?

[ldstlou]

Just going through my Google Alerts and I dont see anymore new info that was not already posted. Just some ignorant,idiot lying dirtbags that are terribly misinformed like this guy.

{{edit - sorry ******* but no need to post their BS,  the link is bad enough}}

http://themoderatevoice.com/media/tv-news/cnn/16612/requiem-for-our-favorite-missing-blonde/

Just wanted to add, it's posts like what that jerk said that I constantly delete from the front page of SM.

Great job Klaas...the stuff that you must see!!! Thanks for getting rid of it for us!!

[robots]

this is crazy,

If someone said within 5 hours of Natalee leaving the BAR around 1:00 AM and we add 5 hours to that, then we have 6:00 am where someone is saying "the girl is dead"

then this is HUGE. this breaks the case wide open - (not that we didnt already know this case is broken wide open) but you know what i mean

in aruba - up is DOWN - left is right

hmmmmmmm..wonder what stupid FRANKENGRETA thinks now?  is she still inclined
to beleive KILLERJORAN now...


gawsssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


 

[SunnyinTX]

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/12/viii-day-1-side-scan-sonar-search.html

UPDATE: Fri. 21-Dec - 0130 hrs
The sonar search is progressing forward very well. The data quality is terrific. The seafloor morphology although complicated, is much more accommodating than expected. Once the sonar search is completed, the ROV dives will commence.


To illustrate the quality of the sonar system, the following image is a side scan sonar image of an anchor and chain found during this search (Dec-21, 0130 hrs). Notice the links are clearly imaged.

Good Morning to all...this is absolutely AMAZING!!!  A big thanks to Jug, Dana and Red for last night's show...I hope Jug will come back on Dana's show again very soon...and keep reading Sm Jug...we admire and respect you and always have..

[crazybabyborg]

I don't know what time the press conference is, Blue Moon, but I'm curious as to whether it will be in English. I'd bet yes. ( I have SUCH a good batting average ) 

Idstlou, thanks for your comments. If that statement was one the original hard drive, even Greta said last night, it's huge.

Klaas, you have a message. 

[robots]

"girl is dead"

now, there is only one reason anyone would say that

and that is because they Knew she was dead

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