Natalee Case Discussion #706 12/20 -

[Magnolia]

Could be Magnolia. That's most probable, but I'm thinking it COULD have been with Freddy as well. Actually, Deepak tried to line up an alibi with a girl, and so he may not have been as careful as he should have been with other people. I think Deepak also arranged for Steve Croes to tell his story of seeing them drop her off at the Hoiday Inn, too, but that's just my opinion and it's based on the police car transcripts.

I just don't think that Freddy or Steve Croes were involved yet when the
chat occurred.  I think the chat was the night Natalee disappeared.

[sirensong]

As angry, upset and sad as I am about this case, I can't imagine how Beth, Dave, Jug and all of Natalee's friends and relatives deal with this on a daily basis.  God bless you all and renewed prayers for the search.

[ospainter]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/21/holloway.case/

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is not closed but has entered a new phase, as four detectives continue to look for evidence, Aruba's chief public prosecutor says.

Charges were dropped against Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, prosecutor Hans Mos said, not because he didn't have a case but because he couldn't be sure of a conviction.

The decision not to prosecute doesn't mean "there is not a file in which these three people are primary persons of interest," Mos told CNN.

He said his office remains determined to find the truth. "We believe justice will prevail one day, but we cannot force that right now."

Mos on Thursday laid out the evidence authorities have in the Alabama teenager's disappearance on May 30, 2005.  Watch a report on the case »

In an Internet chat shortly after Holloway vanished, one of the three suspects said she was dead, Mos said.

The chat, retrieved from a computer hard disk, was among new evidence prosecutors used to justify re-arresting the three in November, he said.

New technology that was not available in 2005 was used to find that chat and more between two of the three suspects, as well as others, he said.

In the chat, Mos told CNN's Susan Candiotti, one of the suspects said, "The fact that she's dead is not good," referring to Holloway.

Other chats written before May 30 were also found, in which the suspects discussed "picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them," Mos said. Such chats gave authorities an idea of how the suspects operated, he said.

But, he said, authorities did not find any further discussion of Holloway's death or how she died. "If we had that, we would have been much further [along] than we are now," Mos said.

Other evidence against the three included two new witness statements. In one, a female friend told authorities that one suspect called her about five hours after Holloway was last seen leaving an Oranjestad, Aruba, nightclub with van der Sloot and the Kalpoes.

The female friend said that she could tell during the conversation that something was wrong, Mos said. When she asked about it, the suspect -- whom Mos did not name -- told her that "he didn't want to cause her any trouble, and that what had happened couldn't be discussed over the phone," he said.

Police wanted to ask the suspect what he meant by that statement, he said, but after their re-arrest, all three men exercised their right to remain silent and refused to speak to authorities.  See a timeline of how the case has developed »

A second witness statement came from a teacher who said that another one of the suspects exhibited "very peculiar behavior" the day after Holloway's disappearance, including making or receiving a lot of telephone calls, Mos said.

A fourth piece of new evidence came when authorities bugged the Kalpoe home in June and picked up a conversation about what happened that night, he said, but did not elaborate.

Holloway, 18, disappeared while visiting Aruba with about 100 classmates celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama, and was last seen leaving the nightclub with the three suspects.

All three suspects were arrested and released in the case in 2005. They were rearrested November 21, with authorities citing new and incriminating evidence against them.

In freeing the Kalpoes from jail November 30, judges from Aruba's Court of Appeal wrote that there was no evidence that Holloway died as a result of a violent crime or that the suspects were involved in such a crime. Using similar reasoning, a judge released van der Sloot a week later.

All three have maintained their innocence. The Kalpoes have told police they dropped Holloway and van der Sloot off near a lighthouse on the northern tip of the island after leaving the nightclub. Van der Sloot's mother, Anita, has said her son told her he was on the beach with Holloway but left her there because she wanted to stay.

What authorities needed, Mos said, was for at least one of the three to explain what happened that night. That's why, he said, his office went to the expense of transferring van der Sloot from the Netherlands, where he is attending college, after arresting him again in November -- out of hopes that he might talk.

"You never know whether a person two years later will, yes or no, open up," he said.

Mos acknowledged the new evidence against the three was circumstantial, and arresting them again may have been a long shot, but "we had to give it a shot."

"I would never have forgiven myself," he said, and never would have been able to answer the question "Why didn't you even try?" given the new evidence.

"And that's exactly what we did. I'd rather give it a try and not succeed than not give it a try at all. We gave it everything we got. We cannot torture these three guys and make them tell what happened."
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Sorry can't bold or change colors but here Mos clearly says in line 7 (if we are to believe CNN or MOS and I have no reason not to) that:

In an Internet chat shortly after Holloway vanished, one of the three suspects said she was dead, Mos said.

The chat, retrieved from a computer hard disk, was among new evidence prosecutors used to justify re-arresting the three in November, he said.

New technology that was not available in 2005 was used to find that chat and more between two of the three suspects, as well as others, he said.

In the chat, Mos told CNN's Susan Candiotti, one of the suspects said, "The fact that she's dead is not good," referring to Holloway.

[NYC_lover]

You are so wonderful!! Thank you!! I told Jug about you yesturday when he called to see if we had a translation. I think he would appreciate that. Klaas has my e-mail address, you can get it from her and I will forward your info on to Jug.
Thanks again!!

You are welcome, its not a problem and I want help with translating when it is need.

Could you try your hand at that Diario article, NYC_lover? Thanks for the help!

Sure what its? Dutch or Papiamentu?

[Lala'sMom]

Fed Up We Are...

Let us pray that justice will prevail...

There is a reason J. Edgar Hoover was so tough on the Mob...

Wow!  That is a good one.  You have done your homework. 

[crazybabyborg]

As angry, upset and sad as I am about this case, I can't imagine how Beth, Dave, Jug and all of Natalee's friends and relatives deal with this on a daily basis.  God bless you all and renewed prayers for the search.

I know, Sirensong. The pics and news from the ship is encouraging and I do hope we all are remembering them in our prayers!

Magnolia, yes, you're probably right. The most likely persons to have been involved in that chat include Joran.

[crazybabyborg]

This one, NY! Thank you so much!

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/12/21/

MINISTERIO PUBLICO A REVELA KICO E EVIDENCIA
NOBO TABATA, DEN CASO HOLLOWAY
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diahuebs merdia Ministerio Publico a tene un conferencia di prensa, relaciona cu nan decision di declara cu Joran van der Sloot y e rumannan Kalpoe no ta sospechoso mas den e caso di desaparicion di Natalee Holloway.

Fiscal Mayor Hans Mos a cuminza na bisa cu Ministerio Publico no tin trio mas como sospechoso.
El a bisa cu e decision aki no a wordo tuma facilmente, sino Ministerio Publico a evalua tur cos hunto cu tur hurista na nan disposicion y conhuntamente e conclusion a wordo saca cu e investigacion al fin y al cabo no a conduci na suficiente evidencia legal, pa por hiba e caso dilanti huez cu exito.

Mos a sigui bisa cu si e caso lo a bin dilanti, ta sigur cu e sospechosonan lo a wordo declara liber di tur acusacion.Mirando cu Ministerio Publico a yega na e conclusion ey, lo tabata contra e codigo profesional di O.M pa toch purba di bay corte cu e caso aki.

Despues di a splica con e investigacion a sigui, entre otro bao di guia di un equipo nobo, fiscal Mos a sigui bisa cu nan a saca tur cos for di bahul, pa por yega na hiba e sospechosonan dilanti di huez, pero sin exito.

El a bisa cu mirando cu evidencia nobo a bin dilanti y cu di berdad el a sinti cu Ministerio Publico lo por a logra algo cu esaki, el a prefera di hasi un intento di logra yega haya mas material pa por hiba e caso dilanti, en bez di keda sin purba.

Pa loke ta e evidencia nobo, Mos a splica cu ora cu Ministerio Publico papia di evidencia nobo, e ta referi na tur material cu a wordo haya, despues cu e tres sospechosonan a wordo laga den libertad despues di Juli 2005.

Mirando cu e material a wordo haya despues cu nan a sali den libertad, e por a wordo considera como evidencia nobo, pa cual un biaha mas e sospechosonan por a wordo deteni atrobe y e huez tabata di acuerdo cu tabata tin suficiente motibo pa hasi esaki.

Mos a trece dilanti cu un pista importante cu O.M a haya tabata un testigo femenino cu a bin dilanti na Juni 2007.E testigo aki a conta O.M di un conversacion telefonico cu e tabata tin cu un di e sospechosonan, exactamente 5 ora y 13 minuut despues cu segun O.M Natalee Holloway lo a wordo mira bibo pa ultimo biaha.

E testigo a bisa cu durante e conversacion, e por a tende cu algo no tabata bon cu e persona.El a puntra e mucha homber kico a pasa y como contesta el a bisa e mucha muher cu e no kier hinca e mucha muher den problema y cu loke a sosode, no por a wordo palabra door di telefon.

Banda di esaki tabata tin declaracion di un testigo tocante di comportacion di un di e otro sospechosonan riba dia di desaparicion di Natalee.Ademas di esaki investigacion digital a wordo hasi riba hard disk di computer di e 3 sospechosonan y riba computer di otro hende tambe.

E hard disk-nan aki tabata contene conversacionnan di chat entre e sospechosonan y entre sospechoso y otronan cu tabata mustra di sa mas di e caso aki tambe.E conversacionnan aki tabata contene informacion importante.

Un di e chat-nan aki ta referi na e hecho cu Natalee lo ta morto.E investigacion aki a pone cu mas mihor a determina un asina yama “time line”, pa loke ta e desaparicion di Natalee.  E tecnicanan den e investigacion digital, ta tecnicanan cu no tabata tin disposicion di dje mas trempan durante e investigacion.

E liña di tempo reconstrui, en combinacion cu datonan anteriormente haya y e informacion duna pa e sospechosonan den nan declaracionnan, a pone O.M saca su conclusion cu e ultimo version duna pa e sospechosonan, no por a cuadra cu berdad.

Pesey tabata tin vraagteken grandi poni na alibi di e 3 sospechosonan.Un otro material nobo tabata un grabacion hasi den cas di e rumannan Kalpoe.

Fiscal Mos a trece dilanti tambe cu informacion di e diferente entrevistanan cu Joran y su tata a duna na diferente medionan Hulandes, ta duna e impresion cu nan tin mas informacion di loke nan a trece dilanti.

Problema ta cu tabata tin mucho tiki evidencia directo, pa yega na un caso dilanti huez.E hecho cu e tres sospechosonan a hasi uso di nan derecho di no bisa nada, tambe a pone cu tabata hopi dificil pa bin cu un caso.

Ministerio Publico mester a tuma e decision di declara e mucha hombernan no sospechoso mas den e caso aki, pasobra segun ley esaki mester wordo hasi dentro di un periodo razonable, pa O.M no perde su derecho di persigui den e caso aki.

Awor cu e decision a wordo tuma, no kiermen cu investigacion den e caso aki lo no sigui mas, sino cu un otro fase a cuminza den e caso aki.

Tur material nobo cu bin dilanti lo wordo poni banda e material cu tin caba, pa wak si ainda por yega na un caso penal.Si bin suficiente evidencia, por cuminza un caso penal contra e 3 sospechosonan ainda.

Sinembargo mester tene cuenta cu e termino cu pa ley tin pa esaki.Segun Mos, ley ta pone cu pa e acusacion di morto pa culpa di un sospechoso e termino ta 6 aña, mientras cu pa homicidio e termino den cual e caso mester wordo trata, pa e sospechosonan ainda por wordo persigui ta 12 aña.

Si despues di 12 aña cualkier evidencia importante wordo haya, e sospechosonan toch lo no por wordo persigui penalmente mas.

Mos a splica cu tin algun agente special disponible pa sigui cu e investigacion y esaki ta importante, pasobra tin diferente persona cu a bin dilanti cu a bisa cu nan tin cierto informacion cu por yuda e investigacion.

Pesey e fiscal mayor a hasi un apelacion na cualkier persona cu tin informacion, pa e bin dilanti cu esaki.

 
Online Pap translation:

ministerio publico owing to revela kico the evidencia
new was, in caso holloway

oranjestad(aan): diahuebs afternoon ministerio publico owing to as one conferencia of prensa, relaciona cu they decision of declara cu joran van der sloot y the rumannan kalpoe do not sospechoso more in the caso of desaparicion of natalee holloway.

fiscal parent hans mos owing to cuminza at tell cu ministerio publico not have trio more because; sospechoso.
past owing to tell cu the decision here not owing to wordo take facilmente, but ministerio publico owing to evalua all cos together cu all hurista at they disposicion y conhuntamente the conclusion owing to wordo saca cu the investigacion al end y al cabo not owing to conduci at sufficient evidencia legal, for can take away the caso fast huez cu exito.

mos owing to follow tell cu if the caso will owing to come fast, is assure cu the sospechosonan will owing to wordo declara pound of all acusacion.mirando cu ministerio publico owing to arrive at the conclusion ey, will was contra the codigo profesional of or.m for yet try of bay corte cu the caso here.

after of owing to splica con the investigacion owing to follow, among another bao of guia of one equipo new, fiscal mos owing to follow tell cu they owing to saca all cos for of bahul, for can arrive at take away the sospechosonan fast of huez, but without exito.

past owing to tell cu mirando cu evidencia new owing to come fast y cu of berdad past owing to feel cu ministerio publico will can owing to succeed algo cu this, past owing to prefera of make one attempt of succeed arrive achieve more material for can take away the caso fast, provided that bez of stay without try.

for thing is the evidencia new, mos owing to splica cu hour cu ministerio publico talk of evidencia new, the is referi at all material cu owing to wordo achieve, after cu the three sospechosonan owing to wordo let in freedom after of july 2005.

mirando cu the material owing to wordo achieve after cu they owing to leave in freedom, the can owing to wordo considera because; evidencia new, for cual once more the sospechosonan can owing to wordo deteni again y the huez was of acuerdo cu was have sufficient motibo for make this.

mos owing to trece fast cu one pista important cu o.m owing to achieve was one witness female cu owing to come fast at june 2007.e witness here owing to count ; o.m of one conversacion telefonico cu the was have cu one of the sospechosonan, exactly 5 hour y 13 minuut after cu according o.m natalee holloway will owing to wordo see bibo for ultimo trip.

the witness owing to tell cu during the conversacion, the can owing to hear cu algo not was good cu the person.el owing to ask about the boy kico owing to happen y because; contesta past owing to tell the child muher cu the does not hinca the child muher in problem y cu thing owing to sosode, not can owing to wordo word door of telephone.

near of this was have declaracion of one witness tocante of comportacion of one of the another sospechosonan on day of desaparicion of natalee.ademas of this investigacion digital owing to wordo make on hard disk of computer of the 3 sospechosonan y on computer of another person also.

the hard disk-nan here was contene conversacionnan of chat among the sospechosonan y among sospechoso y others cu was show of know more of the caso here also.e conversacionnan here was contene informacion important.

one of the chat-nan here is referi at the mature cu natalee will is dead.e investigacion here owing to place cu more mihor owing to determina one so calling “time line”, for thing is the desaparicion of natalee.
the tecnicanan in the investigacion digital, is tecnicanan cu not was have disposicion of dje more trempan during the investigacion.

the cord of time reconstrui, provided that combinacion cu datonan anteriormente achieve y the informacion give for her sospechosonan in they declaracionnan, owing to place o.m saca his conclusion cu the ultimo version give for her sospechosonan, not can owing to cuadra cu berdad.

pesey was have vraagteken big poni at alibi of the 3 sospechosonan.un another material new was one grabacion make in cas of the rumannan kalpoe.

fiscal mos owing to trece fast also cu informacion of the various entrevistanan cu joran y his father owing to give at various medionan dutch, is give the impresion cu they have more informacion of thing they owing to trece fast.

problem is cu was have mucho bit evidencia directo, for arrive at one caso fast huez.e mature cu the three sospechosonan owing to make usage of they derecho of not tell nothing, also owing to place cu was much dificil for come cu one caso.

ministerio publico have to did take the decision of declara the child hombernan not sospechoso more in the caso here, because according ley this have to wordo make dentro of one period razonable, for o.m not lose his derecho of persigui in the caso here.

now cu the decision owing to wordo take, not kiermen cu investigacion in the caso here will not follow more, but cu one another phase owing to cuminza in the caso here.

all material new cu come fast will wordo poni near the material cu have end, for look at if still can arrive at one caso penal.si come sufficient evidencia, can cuminza one caso penal contra the 3 sospechosonan still.

sinembargo have to as cuenta cu the termino cu for ley have for this.segun mos, ley is place cu for her acusacion of dead for culpa of one sospechoso the termino is 6 year, while cu for homicidio the termino in cual the caso have to wordo deal, for her sospechosonan still can wordo persigui is 12 year.

if after of 12 year cualkier evidencia important wordo achieve, the sospechosonan yet will not can wordo persigui penalmente more.

mos owing to splica cu have some agent special disponible for follow cu the investigacion y this is important, because have various person cu owing to come fast cu owing to tell cu they have cierto informacion cu can help the investigacion.

pesey the fiscal parent owing to make one apelacion at cualkier person cu have informacion, for her come fast cu this. come across

[NYC_lover]

This one, NY! Thank you so much!

I see now, but its translating, only probably not good and u want a better one
I want looking or I can fix one better, give me some time. Thanks!

[Magnolia]

Here is the Pap version run through the Portuguese Translator.
That sometimes helps me a lot.

Babel Fish Translation    Help

In English:
Online Pap translation: ministerio I publish owing discloses to kico the to you evidences new was, in case holloway oranjestad(aan): diahuebs afternoon ministerio I publish owing you one discusses of presses, relates cu they decision of declares cu joran van to give sloot y the rumannan kalpoe of not sospechoso lives in the case of desaparicion of natalee holloway. inspector parent hans me owing you cuminza at tell cu ministerio I publish not have trio lives because; sospechoso. past owing you tell cu the decision here not owing you wordo take, but easily ministerio I publish owing you evalua all cos to together cu all hurista at they disposicion y conhuntamente the conclusion owing you wordo bag cu the investigacion al end y al handle not owing you conduci at sufficient evidences legal, will be can take away the case fast exito huez cu. me owing you follow tell cu if the in case that will owing you eats fast, is assure cu the sospechosonan will owing wordo declares pound to you of all acusacion.mirando cu ministerio publishes owing you arrive at the conclusion ey, will was against the codigo profesional of or.m will be yet try of bay cut cu the case here. to after of owing you the splica con the investigacion owing you follow, among to another bao of guide of one I equip new, cos inspector me owing you follow tell cu they owing you the bag all will be of bahul, will be can arrive at take away the sospechosonan fast of huez, but without exito. past owing you tell cu aiming cu evidences new owing you eats fast y cu of berdad past owing feel cu ministerio publishes will to you can owing you succeed something cu this, past owing you the prefera of make one attempt of succeed arrive achieve lives material will be can take away the in case that fast, provided that bez of stay without try. is will be thing the evidences new, me owing you the ministerio splica cu hour cu publishes talk of evidences new, the is related at all material cu owing you wordo achieve, to after cu the three sospechosonan owing you wordo let in freedom to after of july 2005. aiming cu the material owing you wordo achieve to after cu they owing you leave in freedom, the can owing you wordo considers because; it evidences new, will be cual once lives the sospechosonan can owing you wordo deteni again y the huez was of acuerdo cu was have sufficient motibo will be make this. me owing you trece fast cu one track important cu o.m owing you achieve was one witness female cu owing you eats fast at june 2007.e witness here owing you count; o.m of one conversacion telefonico cu the was have cu one of the sospechosonan, exactly 5 hour y 13 minuut to after cu according o.m natalee holloway will owing you wordo see bibo will be finishes trip. the witness owing you tell cu during the conversacion, the can owing you hear cu something not was good cu the person.el owing you ask about the boy kico owing you happen y because; owing contests past you tell the child to muher cu the donates not hinca the child to muher in problem y cu thing owing you sosode, not can owing you wordo word door of telephone. to near of this was have declaracion of one witness moving of comportacion of one of the to another sospechosonan on day of desaparicion of natalee.ademas of this investigacion digital owing you wordo make on hard disk of to computer of the 3 sospechosonan y on to computer of to another person also. the hard disk-nan here was contene conversacionnan of chat among the sospechosonan y among sospechoso y others cu was show of know lives of the case here also.e conversacionnan here was contene informacion important. one of the chat-nan here is I related at the mature cu natalee will is dead.e investigacion here owing you place cu lives mihor owing you determines one so calling "teams line", will be thing is the desaparicion of natalee. the tecnicanan in the investigacion digital, is tecnicanan cu not was have disposicion of dje lives trempan during the investigacion. the cord of teams reconstrui, provided that combinacion cu datonan previously achieve y the informacion give will be to her sospechosonan in they declaracionnan, owing you place o.m bag his conclusion cu the finishes version give will be to her sospechosonan, not can owing you cuadra cu berdad. pesey was have vraagteken big poni at alibi of the 3 sospechosonan.un to another material new was one grabacion make in cas of the rumannan kalpoe. inspector me owing you trece fast also cu informacion of the various entrevistanan cu joran y his to father owing you give at various medionan dutch, is give the impresion cu they have lives informacion of thing they owing you trece fast. was problem is cu have mucho bit evidences direct, will be arrive at one in case that fast huez.e mature cu the three sospechosonan owing you make usage of they derecho of not tell nothing, also owing you place cu was much dificil will be eats cu one case. ministerio I publish have you did take the decision of declares the child hombernan not sospechoso lives in the in case that here, because according ley this have you wordo make inside of one period razonable, is o.m not lose his derecho of persigui in the case here. now cu the decision owing you wordo take, not kiermen cu investigacion in the in case that here will not follow lives, but cu one to another phase owing you cuminza in the case here. all material new cu eats fast will wordo poni to near the material cu have end, will be look at if still can arrive at one in case that penal.si eats sufficient evidences, can cuminza one criminal case against the 3 sospechosonan still. sinembargo have you the cuenta cu the I finish cu will be ley have will be this.segun me, ley is place cu will be to her acusacion of dead will be sospechoso guilt of one the I finish is 6 to year, while cu will be homicidio the I finish in cual the in case that have you wordo deal, is to her sospechosonan still can wordo persigui is 12 to year. if to after of 12 to year to cualkier evidences important wordo achieve, the sospechosonan yet will not can wordo persigui criminally lives. me owing you the splica cu have adds agent special disponible will be follow cu the investigacion y this is important, because have various person cu owing you eats fast cu owing you tell cu they have cierto informacion cu can help the investigacion. pesey the fiscal parent owing you make one apelacion at to cualkier person cu have informacion, will be to her eats fast cu this. eats across

[crazybabyborg]

This one, NY! Thank you so much!

I see now, but its translating, only probably not good and u want a better one
I want looking or I can fix one better, give me some time. Thanks!

Oh, Thank YOU!! 

[MumInOhio]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/21/holloway.case/

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (CNN) -- The investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is not closed but has entered a new phase, as four detectives continue to look for evidence, Aruba's chief public prosecutor says.

Charges were dropped against Joran van der Sloot and brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe, prosecutor Hans Mos said, not because he didn't have a case but because he couldn't be sure of a conviction.

The decision not to prosecute doesn't mean "there is not a file in which these three people are primary persons of interest," Mos told CNN.

He said his office remains determined to find the truth. "We believe justice will prevail one day, but we cannot force that right now."

Mos on Thursday laid out the evidence authorities have in the Alabama teenager's disappearance on May 30, 2005.  Watch a report on the case »

In an Internet chat shortly after Holloway vanished, one of the three suspects said she was dead, Mos said.

The chat, retrieved from a computer hard disk, was among new evidence prosecutors used to justify re-arresting the three in November, he said.

New technology that was not available in 2005 was used to find that chat and more between two of the three suspects, as well as others, he said.

In the chat, Mos told CNN's Susan Candiotti, one of the suspects said, "The fact that she's dead is not good," referring to Holloway.

Other chats written before May 30 were also found, in which the suspects discussed "picking up American girls and what they plan to do with them," Mos said. Such chats gave authorities an idea of how the suspects operated, he said.

But, he said, authorities did not find any further discussion of Holloway's death or how she died. "If we had that, we would have been much further [along] than we are now," Mos said.

Other evidence against the three included two new witness statements. In one, a female friend told authorities that one suspect called her about five hours after Holloway was last seen leaving an Oranjestad, Aruba, nightclub with van der Sloot and the Kalpoes.

The female friend said that she could tell during the conversation that something was wrong, Mos said. When she asked about it, the suspect -- whom Mos did not name -- told her that "he didn't want to cause her any trouble, and that what had happened couldn't be discussed over the phone," he said.

Police wanted to ask the suspect what he meant by that statement, he said, but after their re-arrest, all three men exercised their right to remain silent and refused to speak to authorities.  See a timeline of how the case has developed »

A second witness statement came from a teacher who said that another one of the suspects exhibited "very peculiar behavior" the day after Holloway's disappearance, including making or receiving a lot of telephone calls, Mos said.

A fourth piece of new evidence came when authorities bugged the Kalpoe home in June and picked up a conversation about what happened that night, he said, but did not elaborate.

Holloway, 18, disappeared while visiting Aruba with about 100 classmates celebrating their graduation from Mountain Brook High School in suburban Birmingham, Alabama, and was last seen leaving the nightclub with the three suspects.

All three suspects were arrested and released in the case in 2005. They were rearrested November 21, with authorities citing new and incriminating evidence against them.

In freeing the Kalpoes from jail November 30, judges from Aruba's Court of Appeal wrote that there was no evidence that Holloway died as a result of a violent crime or that the suspects were involved in such a crime. Using similar reasoning, a judge released van der Sloot a week later.

All three have maintained their innocence. The Kalpoes have told police they dropped Holloway and van der Sloot off near a lighthouse on the northern tip of the island after leaving the nightclub. Van der Sloot's mother, Anita, has said her son told her he was on the beach with Holloway but left her there because she wanted to stay.

What authorities needed, Mos said, was for at least one of the three to explain what happened that night. That's why, he said, his office went to the expense of transferring van der Sloot from the Netherlands, where he is attending college, after arresting him again in November -- out of hopes that he might talk.

"You never know whether a person two years later will, yes or no, open up," he said.

Mos acknowledged the new evidence against the three was circumstantial, and arresting them again may have been a long shot, but "we had to give it a shot."

"I would never have forgiven myself," he said, and never would have been able to answer the question "Why didn't you even try?" given the new evidence.

"And that's exactly what we did. I'd rather give it a try and not succeed than not give it a try at all. We gave it everything we got. We cannot torture these three guys and make them tell what happened."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Sorry can't bold or change colors but here Mos clearly says in line 7 (if we are to believe CNN or MOS and I have no reason not to) that:

In an Internet chat shortly after Holloway vanished, one of the three suspects said she was dead, Mos said.

The chat, retrieved from a computer hard disk, was among new evidence prosecutors used to justify re-arresting the three in November, he said.

New technology that was not available in 2005 was used to find that chat and more between two of the three suspects, as well as others, he said.

In the chat, Mos told CNN's Susan Candiotti, one of the suspects said, "The fact that she's dead is not good," referring to Holloway.

I'm assuming the bolded part pertains to Joran as Satish did not go to school that day. This says another one of the suspects, so it was a different suspect that was involved in the 6AM chat. Am I correct on this?

[crazybabyborg]

That is better, Magnolia! Thanks! Between that and NY, we may get to what it says afterall!

[sirensong]

I am glad they are not being taken to trial right now.  They would be aquitted, and Mos knows it, because he realizes the judge is corrupt.  If they find Natalee, it will be hard enough to prosecute and get a sentence because of the corruption.  But if he makes it known to the public like he has, then finds  new evidence and starts a trial, at least the public will be outraged enough to say something about all the favors.  Ir eally do think for now his hands are tied.  But why was he so rude to Beth and Dave, not telling them anything?  They really threw Mos under the bus.  Now they will do it to the Kalpoe brothers.  There is no way in hell Joran is innocent.

[Magnolia]

That is better, Magnolia! Thanks! Between that and NY, we may get to what it says afterall!

We need Getagrip!!!

[crazybabyborg]

Yes, Mum, I think so too. Joran was the student and I think Deepak was the chat contributor. Could have been Satish, but the way it reads, it wouldn't have been Joran.

[crazybabyborg]

Gotta run. BBL. Thanks again, NY, I'll check back here in a bit!

[Magnolia]

Here it is from Getagrip....ta dah!
Thanks Getagrip!

Public Ministry reveals what the new evidence was in the Holloway case
Diario Aruba
12/21/2007


ORANJESTAD(AAN): Midday Thursday, the Public Ministry held a press conference related to their decision to declare that Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers are no longer suspects in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Chief prosecutor Hans Mos started by saying that the Public Ministry no longer holds the trio as suspects.

He said that this decision was not taken lightly, and that the Public Ministry evaluated every aspect along with jurists are their disposal and jointly the conclusion was reached that finally the investigation did not produce enough legal evidence to be able to bring the case successfully before a judge.

Mos continued to say that if the case had been brought forth, he is sure that the suspects would have been acquitted of all accusations. Given that the Public Ministry arrived at this conclusion, it was against the O.M.’s professional code to bring this case to court.

After explaining how the investigation proceeded, among other things under the guidance of a new team, prosecutor Mos continued to say that they made use of all available tools to be able to bring the suspects in front of a judge, but unsuccessfully.

He said that given that the new evidence was brought up and that he truly felt that the Public Ministry could have achieved something with this, he preferred to make an attempt to be able to find more material to bring the case forward, rather than not try.

As to the new evidence, Mos explained that when the Public Ministry spoke of the new evidence, it referred to all evidence that had been found after the three suspects were set free after July 2005.

Given that the evidence was found after that they were released, they could consider it as new evidence, for which once again the suspects could be re-detained and the judge was in agreement that there was sufficient reason to do this.

Mos brought up that an important clue that the O.M. found was a female witness who came forward in June 2007. This witness told the O.M. about a telephone conversation that she had with one of the suspects, exactly 5 hours and 13 minutes after Natalee Holloway was last seen alive for the last time, according to the O.M.

The witness said that during the conversation, she could hear that something wasn’t right with the person. She asked the boy what happened and as an answer he told the girl that he didn’t want to get her in trouble and that what happened could not be told over the phone.

Aside from this, there was a declaration from a witness relating to the bahaviour of one of the other suspects on the day of the disappearance of Natalee. Furthermore, a digital search was conducted on the hard drives of the 3 suspects’ computers and on the computers of others as well.

These hard drives contained chat conversations among the suspects and among the suspects and others which demonstrated that they knew more about this case as well. These conversations contained important information.

One of these chats referred to the fact that Natalee was dead. This search was better able to determine a so-called ‘time line’ in regards to the disappearance of Natalee. The technicians in the digital search are technicians who did not have access to these earlier in the investigation.

The reconstructed time line, combined with facts found earlier and the information given by the suspects in their declarations, made the O.M. conclude that the last version given by the suspects could not fit with the truth.

Because of this there were big questions about the 3 suspects’ alibis. Another new evidence was a recording made in the Kalpoe brothers’ home.

Prosecutor Mos brought up that additionally, with the different interviews that Joran and his father gave to different Dutch media, it gave the impression that they had more information than they had given.

The problem was that there was little direct evidence to be able to bring the case in front of a judge. The fact that the three suspects made use of their right to remain silent also made it very difficult to make the case.

The Public Ministry had to take a decision to declare the kids no longer suspects in this case because according to the law, this has to be done within a reasonable period of time, in order for the O.M. not to lose its right to prosecute this case.

Now that the decision has been taken, it does not mean that the investigation into this case will not continue, rather that a different phase begins.

All new evidence that surfaces will be added to the evidence they already have, to see if they could still make a criminal case. If there’s enough evidence, they can still begin a criminal case against the 3 suspects.

However, one has to take into account the term [statute of limitations] that the law has for this. According to Mos, the law sets a term of 6 years for voluntary manslaughter, while for murder, the term by which the case against the suspects must be made is 12 years.

If after 12 years any important evidence is found, the suspects could no longer be criminally prosecuted.

Mos explained that there are some special agents available to continue the investigation and this is important, because there are various people who have come forward who have said that they have certain information that could help in the investigation.

Because of this, the chief prosecutor made an appeal for any persons who have information, to come forward with it.

[translated by Getagrip]


// posted by Getagrip @ 12/21/2007 10:53:00 AM 
12.19.2007

[private eye]

I think everyone might ought to re-think their feelings towards Mos. A good case can still be made that he is doing his job to the best of his abilities, possibly. He executed a strategy designed to attempt to make one of the boys panic and talk with arrest of the three boys. If you get in the case late, and there has been a coverup, then there isn't a lot to work with from Mos point of view, the prosecutor. So he attempted to shake some new evidence from not only a cold case, but a case that has actrually been washed clean of evidence by the previous investigation. Then he or the Dutch found new technology that enabled them to retrieve data that the clean up investigation crew thought they had cleaned. That evidence, if correct, was a statement by one of the 3 that "the girl was dead" and found a new witness that stated something was wrong with Joran that night after 1 and before daylight. Armed with that he executed his strategy designed to create new evidence from the boys. He took it to the judge, but of course the judge said it is not enough. Most prosecutors would have left it at that. But Mos didn't stop there, he called a press conference to tell the world what he found in Aruba, including what evidence he presented. He also kept Rudy Croes in the dark, the Minister of Justice, who has played a huge role in this coverup and had previously played a huge role in the Mathew coverup. In fact the Mathew case corruption was accomplished by none other than Rudy Croes, Ben Vonking (Prosecutors office), and Paulus Van Der Sloot. The  3 Asskateers of Aruba.

A lot of criticism has been directed towards Mos speaking Dutch during his press conference, but who he has to play this out in front of to affect a change is Holland. So his audience speaks Dutch. They have to be convinced because Holland is the key to Aruba. Aruba is soveriegn, but they are not solvent, and they dependent upon Dutch money to exists. In addition, Van Der Sloot and the Judges are all employees of the Dutch, so their conduct is subject to Dutch review. Maybe he should have had a translator, or gave the USA networks a heads up so they could have a translator, but he is going against the forces of the coverup, executing far superior strategy's than we have seen in the past on this case, and seems to be inclined to shine the light on the roaches as he goes.

I know this goes against popular pro Natalee concerns, and I realize that I almost expect for him to chump me, but my brain thinks that JUST MAYBE HE IS NOT. HE MAY BE FOR REAL.

He was not allowed to give Beth or JQK any of the evidence while they were down there according to my understanding of Dutch Law, and he didn't. The person who is sincerely trying to solve this case is going to follow the law concerning everyone.

[NYC_lover]

Part 1 translating Papiamentu article from Diario

MINISTERIO PUBLICO A REVELA KICO E EVIDENCIA
NOBO TABATA, DEN CASO HOLLOWAY
Ministery of Justice owing to revela kico the evidence was new, in Holloway case come across

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diahuebs merdia Ministerio Publico a tene un conferencia di prensa, relaciona cu nan decision di declara cu Joran van der Sloot y e rumannan Kalpoe no ta sospechoso mas den e caso di desaparicion di Natalee Holloway.
Ministery of Justice owing to it reveals there was new evidence in Holloway case.
Oranjestad:  Yesterday in the afternoon is ministery of justice owing to as one press conference relation with they decision of declaration of Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoes don´t more suspects in the case of Natalee Holloway.

Fiscal Mayor Hans Mos a cuminza na bisa cu Ministerio Publico no tin trio mas como sospechoso.
El a bisa cu e decision aki no a wordo tuma facilmente, sino Ministerio Publico a evalua tur cos hunto cu tur hurista na nan disposicion y conhuntamente e conclusion a wordo saca cu e investigacion al fin y al cabo no a conduci na suficiente evidencia legal, pa por hiba e caso dilanti huez cu exito.
Fiscal parent Hans Mos owing to cuminza at tell with Ministery of Justice not have the trio more of suspects, because owing in the past to tell with the decision here not owing to word take facilmente, but Ministery of Justice owing to evalua all cos together with all hurista at they disposition and conhuntamente the conclusion owing to word removes
with the investigation already and already end not owing to conduci at sufficient evidence legal, for can take away the case fast huez with exit.

Mos a sigui bisa cu si e caso lo a bin dilanti, ta sigur cu e sospechosonan lo a wordo declara liber di tur acusacion.Mirando cu Ministerio Publico a yega na e conclusion ey, lo tabata contra e codigo profesional di O.M pa toch purba di bay corte cu e caso aki.
Mos owing to follow with to tell, if the case will owing to come fast, is assure with the sospechosonan will owing to word it declares pound of all accusation. Watching with Ministery of Justice owing to arrive at the conclusion ey, I was against to the cosay profesional of or.m for yet try of bay corte with the case here.

[crazybabyborg]

Here it is from Getagrip....ta dah!
Thanks Getagrip!

Public Ministry reveals what the new evidence was in the Holloway case
Diario Aruba
12/21/2007


 Furthermore, a digital search was conducted on the hard drives of the 3 suspects’ computers and on the computers of others as well.

These hard drives contained chat conversations among the suspects and among the suspects and others which demonstrated that they knew more about this case as well. These conversations contained important information.

One of these chats referred to the fact that Natalee was dead. This search was better able to determine a so-called ‘time line’ in regards to the disappearance of Natalee. The technicians in the digital search are technicians who did not have access to these earlier in the investigation.

The reconstructed time line, combined with facts found earlier and the information given by the suspects in their declarations, made the O.M. conclude that the last version given by the suspects could not fit with the truth.



[translated by Getagrip]


// posted by Getagrip @ 12/21/2007 10:53:00 AM 
12.19.2007

I'm just pulling out the part relating to the chat. Thanks Getagrip and thanks Magnolia for bringing it over!