Natalee Case Discussion #706 12/20 -

[NYC_lover]

I think everyone might ought to re-think their feelings towards Mos. A good case can still be made that he is doing his job to the best of his abilities, possibly. He executed a strategy designed to attempt to make one of the boys panic and talk with arrest of the three boys. If you get in the case late, and there has been a coverup, then there isn't a lot to work with from Mos point of view, the prosecutor. So he attempted to shake some new evidence from not only a cold case, but a case that has actrually been washed clean of evidence by the previous investigation. Then he or the Dutch found new technology that enabled them to retrieve data that the clean up investigation crew thought they had cleaned. That evidence, if correct, was a statement by one of the 3 that "the girl was dead" and found a new witness that stated something was wrong with Joran that night after 1 and before daylight. Armed with that he executed his strategy designed to create new evidence from the boys. He took it to the judge, but of course the judge said it is not enough. Most prosecutors would have left it at that. But Mos didn't stop there, he called a press conference to tell the world what he found in Aruba, including what evidence he presented. He also kept Rudy Croes in the dark, the Minister of Justice, who has played a huge role in this coverup and had previously played a huge role in the Mathew coverup. In fact the Mathew case corruption was accomplished by none other than Rudy Croes, Ben Vonking (Prosecutors office), and Paulus Van Der Sloot. The  3 Asskateers of Aruba.

A lot of criticism has been directed towards Mos speaking Dutch during his press conference, but who he has to play this out in front of to affect a change is Holland. So his audience speaks Dutch. They have to be convinced because Holland is the key to Aruba. Aruba is soveriegn, but they are not solvent, and they dependent upon Dutch money to exists. In addition, Van Der Sloot and the Judges are all employees of the Dutch, so their conduct is subject to Dutch review. Maybe he should have had a translator, or gave the USA networks a heads up so they could have a translator, but he is going against the forces of the coverup, executing far superior strategy's than we have seen in the past on this case, and seems to be inclined to shine the light on the roaches as he goes.

I know this goes against popular pro Natalee concerns, and I realize that I almost expect for him to chump me, but my brain thinks that JUST MAYBE HE IS NOT. HE MAY BE FOR REAL.

He was not allowed to give Beth or JQK any of the evidence while they were down there according to my understanding of Dutch Law, and he didn't. The person who is sincerely trying to solve this case is going to follow the law concerning everyone.

What is the link to the Press conference? I want translated it later today!

[crazybabyborg]

I think everyone might ought to re-think their feelings towards Mos. A good case can still be made that he is doing his job to the best of his abilities, possibly. He executed a strategy designed to attempt to make one of the boys panic and talk with arrest of the three boys. If you get in the case late, and there has been a coverup, then there isn't a lot to work with from Mos point of view, the prosecutor. So he attempted to shake some new evidence from not only a cold case, but a case that has actrually been washed clean of evidence by the previous investigation. Then he or the Dutch found new technology that enabled them to retrieve data that the clean up investigation crew thought they had cleaned. That evidence, if correct, was a statement by one of the 3 that "the girl was dead" and found a new witness that stated something was wrong with Joran that night after 1 and before daylight. Armed with that he executed his strategy designed to create new evidence from the boys. He took it to the judge, but of course the judge said it is not enough. Most prosecutors would have left it at that. But Mos didn't stop there, he called a press conference to tell the world what he found in Aruba, including what evidence he presented. He also kept Rudy Croes in the dark, the Minister of Justice, who has played a huge role in this coverup and had previously played a huge role in the Mathew coverup. In fact the Mathew case corruption was accomplished by none other than Rudy Croes, Ben Vonking (Prosecutors office), and Paulus Van Der Sloot. The  3 Asskateers of Aruba.

A lot of criticism has been directed towards Mos speaking Dutch during his press conference, but who he has to play this out in front of to affect a change is Holland. So his audience speaks Dutch. They have to be convinced because Holland is the key to Aruba. Aruba is soveriegn, but they are not solvent, and they dependent upon Dutch money to exists. In addition, Van Der Sloot and the Judges are all employees of the Dutch, so their conduct is subject to Dutch review. Maybe he should have had a translator, or gave the USA networks a heads up so they could have a translator, but he is going against the forces of the coverup, executing far superior strategy's than we have seen in the past on this case, and seems to be inclined to shine the light on the roaches as he goes.

I know this goes against popular pro Natalee concerns, and I realize that I almost expect for him to chump me, but my brain thinks that JUST MAYBE HE IS NOT. HE MAY BE FOR REAL.

He was not allowed to give Beth or JQK any of the evidence while they were down there according to my understanding of Dutch Law, and he didn't. The person who is sincerely trying to solve this case is going to follow the law concerning everyone.

I agree with you, Private Eye! Great post.

NY? Thank you for your hard work! We've got it now!

[NYC_lover]

I have to go to dinner, before my parents become mad.
I want translated the next parts in Papiamentu article from Diario after dinner, I want BRB!

[NYC_lover]

I agree with you, Private Eye! Great post.

NY? Thank you for your hard work! We've got it now!

CBB it is not all, what there is stay, but I have to go to dinner. I want do the another parts after dinner. 

[ospainter]

Mum

The way I am reading what MOS told CNN is this:

1. They recovered chats between 2 of the 3 suspects that occured in the wee hours (shortly) of the morning that Natalee went missing

In an Internet chat shortly after Holloway vanished, one of the three suspects said she was dead, Mos said.

2. They recovered chats with the suspects and others

New technology that was not available in 2005 was used to find that chat and more between two of the three suspects, as well as others, he said.


3. They have a phone call between 1 of the suspects and a female that happened within 6 hrs of Natalee being seen last

Other evidence against the three included two new witness statements. In one, a female friend told authorities that one suspect called her about five hours after Holloway was last seen leaving an Oranjestad, Aruba, nightclub with van der Sloot and the Kalpoes.

The female friend said that she could tell during the conversation that something was wrong, Mos said. When she asked about it, the suspect -- whom Mos did not name -- told her that "he didn't want to cause her any trouble, and that what had happened couldn't be discussed over the phone," he said.


4. They have a witness (teacher)

A second witness statement came from a teacher who said that another one of the suspects exhibited "very peculiar behavior" the day after Holloway's disappearance, including making or receiving a lot of telephone calls, Mos said.

5.Kalpoes house bugged

A fourth piece of new evidence came when authorities bugged the Kalpoe home in June and picked up a conversation about what happened that night, he said, but did not elaborate.



All of this happened before Beth & Jug got there, (in fact sounds like before daylight Monday to me, except for the teacher) when these 3 should not have known she was missing.

Evidence of guilt imo..


OS

[AZSunny]

Fed Up We Are...

Let us pray that justice will prevail...

There is a reason J. Edgar Hoover was so tough on the Mob...

Wow!  That is a good one.  You have done your homework. 

I am sending this by email to travel agents in my area, along with a note asking them to please consider these findings before scheduling anyone on a vacation in Aruba.  It will be interesting to see what responses I get back! 

[Nut44x4]

EXCELLENT IDEA AZSUNNY!

[AZSunny]

I think everyone might ought to re-think their feelings towards Mos. A good case can still be made that he is doing his job to the best of his abilities, possibly. He executed a strategy designed to attempt to make one of the boys panic and talk with arrest of the three boys. If you get in the case late, and there has been a coverup, then there isn't a lot to work with from Mos point of view, the prosecutor. So he attempted to shake some new evidence from not only a cold case, but a case that has actrually been washed clean of evidence by the previous investigation. Then he or the Dutch found new technology that enabled them to retrieve data that the clean up investigation crew thought they had cleaned. That evidence, if correct, was a statement by one of the 3 that "the girl was dead" and found a new witness that stated something was wrong with Joran that night after 1 and before daylight. Armed with that he executed his strategy designed to create new evidence from the boys. He took it to the judge, but of course the judge said it is not enough. Most prosecutors would have left it at that. But Mos didn't stop there, he called a press conference to tell the world what he found in Aruba, including what evidence he presented. He also kept Rudy Croes in the dark, the Minister of Justice, who has played a huge role in this coverup and had previously played a huge role in the Mathew coverup. In fact the Mathew case corruption was accomplished by none other than Rudy Croes, Ben Vonking (Prosecutors office), and Paulus Van Der Sloot. The  3 Asskateers of Aruba.

A lot of criticism has been directed towards Mos speaking Dutch during his press conference, but who he has to play this out in front of to affect a change is Holland. So his audience speaks Dutch. They have to be convinced because Holland is the key to Aruba. Aruba is soveriegn, but they are not solvent, and they dependent upon Dutch money to exists. In addition, Van Der Sloot and the Judges are all employees of the Dutch, so their conduct is subject to Dutch review. Maybe he should have had a translator, or gave the USA networks a heads up so they could have a translator, but he is going against the forces of the coverup, executing far superior strategy's than we have seen in the past on this case, and seems to be inclined to shine the light on the roaches as he goes.

I know this goes against popular pro Natalee concerns, and I realize that I almost expect for him to chump me, but my brain thinks that JUST MAYBE HE IS NOT. HE MAY BE FOR REAL.

He was not allowed to give Beth or JQK any of the evidence while they were down there according to my understanding of Dutch Law, and he didn't. The person who is sincerely trying to solve this case is going to follow the law concerning everyone.

Private eye, these are my thoughts exactly and what I was trying to express yesterday.  You are much better at it! I see Mos trying to buck the big boys and get the job done.  I am thrilled that he excluded Rudy in the decision making process.  Who knows what additional information as to the cover up he is sending to the Dutch government.  Rudy may yet have his sorry ass in court, as the defendant!

[MumInOhio]

Thanks OS and CBB. Much appreciated!

[Anna]

Tourism is just their 'Cover' 

Gambling, prostitution and drugs are where the big money is.  I think Spencer Bacchus' bill to stop online gambling was defeated.  That bill went to the House in February 2006 (I think, working from an old woman's memory here), but Shedegg and Jon Kyl were also in favor of such a bill but it  never made its way out of the house, if memory serves.

Tyler,

I believe the bill actually written by Spencer Bauchus was not used but another supposedly even better was used in its stead and DID pass.  It is supposedly illegal to use credit cards for online gambling in this country but they find ways around it like billing to something listed as other than a casino.  Bauchus was very big in getting this passed which was tied to Abramoff PROSECUTION contrary to what some people posted about Bauchus.  He has done as much to stop online gambling as any congressman in this country.

[GreatOwl]

Klaas, I just came across this link today.   Is this new or something old.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007SellMyTimeshareNOW/12NataleeHolloway/prweb579942.htm

[Anna]

Nut4 posted:
Tourism is just their 'Cover' 

Nut,
I completely agree with this and that is why Aruba dares to be so arrogant with Americans.  They have long ago found more lucrative and easier ways to make money.  I have been saying this for over a year now but have not found much agreement.

If they have the money to launder, they can just show the tourist on paper.  They don't have to even exist.  That's what is keeping their room occupancy so high.  I would venture to guess there are any number of ghost tourists who will oddly enough pay their bills in cash which can then be deposited in the bank and become clean.

I always get a lecture about how I don't understand the hospitality industry and hotels, etc. but show me a set of books and I will show you how to cook them! 

If you have fifty tourists, just report 100 and deposit the dirty money as from the added fifty that do not even exist and voilà, clean money.  Then pay it to whomever it belongs for fake charges, etc.

If they truly, those in power, needed tourists, they would not be thumbing their noses and insulting their best customer.  They don't need REAL tourists at all, just the appearance of having them.  Thence the empty beaches while claiming a high occupancy rate.  Latin American drug money by the millions with each one getting just enough of a cut to get fat.

My opinion only but bet it would be interesting to take a peek into some of those hotel rooms and see if they are actually occupied.

Why else would they keep on and on and on spitting in our faces when we have done absolutely nothing wrong to them?  Because they can.  And those PTB know it. 

They are still the Pirates of the Caribbean, just gone high tech.

Only My Humble Opinion.

.

[Anna]

Did I miss the Kalpoe news conference?

If not, do we have a time posted for it to happen?

.

[Anna]

All righty,

Have a good afternoon!

.

[Nut44x4]

Haven't heard a peep. Making peanut butter cookies and not at keyboard all the time, lol.

[MumInOhio]

Tourism is just their 'Cover' 

Gambling, prostitution and drugs are where the big money is.  I think Spencer Bacchus' bill to stop online gambling was defeated.  That bill went to the House in February 2006 (I think, working from an old woman's memory here), but Shedegg and Jon Kyl were also in favor of such a bill but it  never made its way out of the house, if memory serves.

Tyler,

I believe the bill actually written by Spencer Bauchus was not used but another supposedly even better was used in its stead and DID pass.  It is supposedly illegal to use credit cards for online gambling in this country but they find ways around it like billing to something listed as other than a casino.  Bauchus was very big in getting this passed which was tied to Abramoff PROSECUTION contrary to what some people posted about Bauchus.  He has done as much to stop online gambling as any congressman in this country.

Anna I hope this link works..it is from page 17 of the Murder and Crime thread - a post of yours - to the bill

http://tinyurl.com/yun3bc

[dennisintn]

has there been any word about the kalpoe press conference?  what time was it scheduled for?
dennisintn

[msmarple]

If 2K have a press conference, and no one is there to hear it, does it make a sound bite?

(Sorry  )

[ospainter]

Mum

The way I am reading what MOS told CNN is this:

1. They recovered chats between 2 of the 3 suspects that occured in the wee hours (shortly) of the morning that Natalee went missing

In an Internet chat shortly after Holloway vanished, one of the three suspects said she was dead, Mos said.

2. They recovered chats with the suspects and others

New technology that was not available in 2005 was used to find that chat and more between two of the three suspects, as well as others, he said.


3. They have a phone call between 1 of the suspects and a female that happened within 6 hrs of Natalee being seen last

Other evidence against the three included two new witness statements. In one, a female friend told authorities that one suspect called her about five hours after Holloway was last seen leaving an Oranjestad, Aruba, nightclub with van der Sloot and the Kalpoes.

The female friend said that she could tell during the conversation that something was wrong, Mos said. When she asked about it, the suspect -- whom Mos did not name -- told her that "he didn't want to cause her any trouble, and that what had happened couldn't be discussed over the phone," he said.


4. They have a witness (teacher)

A second witness statement came from a teacher who said that another one of the suspects exhibited "very peculiar behavior" the day after Holloway's disappearance, including making or receiving a lot of telephone calls, Mos said.

5.Kalpoes house bugged

A fourth piece of new evidence came when authorities bugged the Kalpoe home in June and picked up a conversation about what happened that night, he said, but did not elaborate.



All of this happened before Beth & Jug got there, (in fact sounds like before daylight Monday to me, except for the teacher) when these 3 should not have known she was missing.

Evidence of guilt imo..


OS

6. From PV's (I believe) Freddie says jvds told him on Monday (someone help me out here)..

7. An earlier post jvds gets home at 4 am.

8. Headmaster at jvds school talks about Natalee falling and hitting her head.

Feel free to add to the list..

What else do we know happened before Monday night when Jug & Beth arrived?

OS

[sirensong]

I think everyone might ought to re-think their feelings towards Mos. A good case can still be made that he is doing his job to the best of his abilities, possibly. He executed a strategy designed to attempt to make one of the boys panic and talk with arrest of the three boys. If you get in the case late, and there has been a coverup, then there isn't a lot to work with from Mos point of view, the prosecutor. So he attempted to shake some new evidence from not only a cold case, but a case that has actrually been washed clean of evidence by the previous investigation. Then he or the Dutch found new technology that enabled them to retrieve data that the clean up investigation crew thought they had cleaned. That evidence, if correct, was a statement by one of the 3 that "the girl was dead" and found a new witness that stated something was wrong with Joran that night after 1 and before daylight. Armed with that he executed his strategy designed to create new evidence from the boys. He took it to the judge, but of course the judge said it is not enough. Most prosecutors would have left it at that. But Mos didn't stop there, he called a press conference to tell the world what he found in Aruba, including what evidence he presented. He also kept Rudy Croes in the dark, the Minister of Justice, who has played a huge role in this coverup and had previously played a huge role in the Mathew coverup. In fact the Mathew case corruption was accomplished by none other than Rudy Croes, Ben Vonking (Prosecutors office), and Paulus Van Der Sloot. The  3 Asskateers of Aruba.

A lot of criticism has been directed towards Mos speaking Dutch during his press conference, but who he has to play this out in front of to affect a change is Holland. So his audience speaks Dutch. They have to be convinced because Holland is the key to Aruba. Aruba is soveriegn, but they are not solvent, and they dependent upon Dutch money to exists. In addition, Van Der Sloot and the Judges are all employees of the Dutch, so their conduct is subject to Dutch review. Maybe he should have had a translator, or gave the USA networks a heads up so they could have a translator, but he is going against the forces of the coverup, executing far superior strategy's than we have seen in the past on this case, and seems to be inclined to shine the light on the roaches as he goes.

I know this goes against popular pro Natalee concerns, and I realize that I almost expect for him to chump me, but my brain thinks that JUST MAYBE HE IS NOT. HE MAY BE FOR REAL.

He was not allowed to give Beth or JQK any of the evidence while they were down there according to my understanding of Dutch Law, and he didn't. The person who is sincerely trying to solve this case is going to follow the law concerning everyone.

Well said, private eye, and I have a tendency to agree with you   Let's hope he is mad as hell and vows to break up this network of "the ol boys club".