Natalee Case Discussion #706 12/20 -

[sirensong]

Anna, for all my opinion is worth, I agree with you totally!   Good post!

[Dayhiker]

I think everyone might ought to re-think their feelings towards Mos. A good case can still be made that he is doing his job to the best of his abilities, possibly. He executed a strategy designed to attempt to make one of the boys panic and talk with arrest of the three boys. If you get in the case late, and there has been a coverup, then there isn't a lot to work with from Mos point of view, the prosecutor. So he attempted to shake some new evidence from not only a cold case, but a case that has actrually been washed clean of evidence by the previous investigation. Then he or the Dutch found new technology that enabled them to retrieve data that the clean up investigation crew thought they had cleaned. That evidence, if correct, was a statement by one of the 3 that "the girl was dead" and found a new witness that stated something was wrong with Joran that night after 1 and before daylight. Armed with that he executed his strategy designed to create new evidence from the boys. He took it to the judge, but of course the judge said it is not enough. Most prosecutors would have left it at that. But Mos didn't stop there, he called a press conference to tell the world what he found in Aruba, including what evidence he presented. He also kept Rudy Croes in the dark, the Minister of Justice, who has played a huge role in this coverup and had previously played a huge role in the Mathew coverup. In fact the Mathew case corruption was accomplished by none other than Rudy Croes, Ben Vonking (Prosecutors office), and Paulus Van Der Sloot. The  3 Asskateers of Aruba.

A lot of criticism has been directed towards Mos speaking Dutch during his press conference, but who he has to play this out in front of to affect a change is Holland. So his audience speaks Dutch. They have to be convinced because Holland is the key to Aruba. Aruba is soveriegn, but they are not solvent, and they dependent upon Dutch money to exists. In addition, Van Der Sloot and the Judges are all employees of the Dutch, so their conduct is subject to Dutch review. Maybe he should have had a translator, or gave the USA networks a heads up so they could have a translator, but he is going against the forces of the coverup, executing far superior strategy's than we have seen in the past on this case, and seems to be inclined to shine the light on the roaches as he goes.

I know this goes against popular pro Natalee concerns, and I realize that I almost expect for him to chump me, but my brain thinks that JUST MAYBE HE IS NOT. HE MAY BE FOR REAL.

He was not allowed to give Beth or JQK any of the evidence while they were down there according to my understanding of Dutch Law, and he didn't. The person who is sincerely trying to solve this case is going to follow the law concerning everyone.

Well said, private eye, and I have a tendency to agree with you   Let's hope he is mad as hell and vows to break up this network of "the ol boys club".

After reading all of Mos' comments, especially about never forgiving himself if he hadn't tried, I have softened on him somewhat. I think he did the perps and judges a lot of damage yesterday by releasing that information and I applaud him for that.

What I would like to see is Mos turn over the entire case file to the family on their appeal. This would be proof they really do care because it is obvious they are not going anywhere with the case unless Persistence is successful, God bless them.

[Dayhiker]

I am glad they are not being taken to trial right now.  They would be aquitted, and Mos knows it, because he realizes the judge is corrupt.  If they find Natalee, it will be hard enough to prosecute and get a sentence because of the corruption.  But if he makes it known to the public like he has, then finds  new evidence and starts a trial, at least the public will be outraged enough to say something about all the favors.  Ir eally do think for now his hands are tied.  But why was he so rude to Beth and Dave, not telling them anything?  They really threw Mos under the bus.  Now they will do it to the Kalpoe brothers.  There is no way in hell Joran is innocent.

I think he knocked a big old hole in Aruba tourism yesterday. Let everybody know they don't prosecute killers on the island.

[private eye]

Rudy Croes to me is the epitome of everything that is wrong about Aruba. And I assume that he would have to have the dirty hand in Aruba as he is the one who would have to be paid to be allowed to do illegal business in Aruba. That puts him in the bed with the drug lords, money launderers, pimps, pornographers, murderers, human traffickers, arms smugglers, etc. He has absolutely no background in law or legal training as he was awarded his post due to the fact that his Daddy created the current political party in power. He previously was employed as a lab technician. I am collecting a post with every allegation or fact that I can find about Rudy, and they are very telling of his nature. I understand that in 2006 he was even found to possess, if possible, 3 sex slaves from Columbia, so needless to say he has never shed a tear over the death of Natalee, unless she originally was meant for him. Anyway, I will post it soon, and all of you may be aware so I will apologize in advance if it is redundant.

But my point in advance is that in the Mathew case, there was a franchise for a telecommunication company that Mathew somehow was awarded, and he was stripped of that franchise due to his arrest for domestic abuse against his wife. She is a doctor of some sorts and she vehemently denies that it occurred. The three men mentioned most frequently as being the Arubans involved are Paulus Van Der Sloot, Ben Vonking, and the man who was able to keep Mathew in isolation and subjected to inhumane conditions and thus silence him, Rudy Croes. Rudy controls the police, jail, and the prosecutors office to a certain extent, and completely if you add Van Der Sloot and Vonking. In my opinion that same trio, the 3 Assketeers of Aruba simply reunited after a 1 year respite to now cover up this case. It explains why it has never seemed like an all Aruba or an all Dutch cover up, because it was accomplished by 3 sorry bastards, 1 from Aruba and and 2 Dutch.

And I have to think that Charles Croes became involved because it was him that received the telecommunication franchise after Mathew, a black, was arrested and stripped of the franchise. I feel as if he won the franchise as his wife is well educated and being one of only a few in Aruba, she wrote the best application, she just had the wrong color skin and the Aruban thugs stripped it from them.

[wreck]

I am glad they are not being taken to trial right now.  They would be aquitted, and Mos knows it, because he realizes the judge is corrupt.  If they find Natalee, it will be hard enough to prosecute and get a sentence because of the corruption.  But if he makes it known to the public like he has, then finds  new evidence and starts a trial, at least the public will be outraged enough to say something about all the favors.  Ir eally do think for now his hands are tied.  But why was he so rude to Beth and Dave, not telling them anything?  They really threw Mos under the bus.  Now they will do it to the Kalpoe brothers.  There is no way in hell Joran is innocent.

I think he knocked a big old hole in Aruba tourism yesterday. Let everybody know they don't prosecute killers on the island.

I'll say it again :
Let's see what the Dutch and Aruban reaction is to Mos' press conference. If they get mad at J2K -- he did well. If they villify Mos -- the boycott is on.

[Tylergal]

i havent posted in 2 years but follow regularly. i am a PI in oklahoma.

i noticed Jug mentioned "incinerator".  Do any of the old timers remember something about a murder/killing in Aruba right after Natalies disappearance involving someone working at an incinerator business?  Can Red or someone ask Josy?

This has always been a bother in the back of my mind.  They could have had her body disposed in an incinerator and then murdered the person so they could never reveal/testify. 

Anyone else remember this? 

kat

Yes...

HEYNINGEN, Rene Michel van   – partially decapitated man found at cemetery on 6-18-05. Rumored to run the incinerator at the Refinery. It is also reported that he ran the incinerator at Oduber Hospital.  Yesenia Castillo, his wife(?) is reportedly being held in KIA in conjunction with his murder.

i wonder if any ALE or anyone else investigated this at a granular level.  It has just always bothered me.  How convenient that someone who runs an incinerator was killed so timely.  His wife being held may be just the dirty ALE at work in the coverup.  Who knows. The fact her body has never been found and that J2K are so smug reeks that they feel safe that her body was well disposed of...especially with paulus orchestrating the master coverup (no body no crime).  Well, we'll see if they find anything in the ocean. 

Thanks for updating me on this part.

kat

well,  i might as well get it all out.  the most bothersome things to me have always been the incinerator murder, and the timely furniture truck at paulus' house and the pool work.  one of these days his sweat glands will clog up and hopefully he will blow up into pieces! that man is guilty as sin........IMO

Kat,
Since you brought it up. I've been keeping my opinion on this subject to myself but.....
I've always thought the same. The incinerator operator elimination, along with what paulus did not say, and the fact the ocean search has not been hampered by Aruba's judge club, is to me an indication that sadly there is no trace.
paulus did not say "if they can't find a body". He said "if there is no body".
I do hope I'm wrong on this.

Ado

I think many of us thought the same, but it was just too horrific to linger on too long.  I always felt the suspicion of the beheaded man who happened to work in an area of incineration and also at the hospital and that Paulus was director of the QC Committee at the hospital and would have know that.  Perhaps this man was considered a threat and/or was blackmailing them.

Ty
I doubt he was blackmailing them. Organized crime in many high profile situations (say Jimmy Hoffa) will hit the hit man.
They assign someone to do in a high profile person. Only the high level organization insiders know what hit man has been assigned. Once the hit man has done his deed they then assign another hit man to do in the first hit man. The second hit man does not know that the first hit man had done in the high profile person. Sometimes the second hit man does not even know that the first hit man is a hit man.
In this case, if the incinerator operator was involved in the cover up then it's probable the incinerator operator elimination was just organized crime business as usual.
I've always wondered if anyone in law enforcement took a look at his financial and phone records from June till his death.

Ado

Of course not, they just charged his wife who made a small stink about it but knew what was good for her was to keep quiet, spend her 3 months in jail and move on.

[NYC_lover]

Part 1 translating Papiamentu article from Diario

MINISTERIO PUBLICO A REVELA KICO E EVIDENCIA
NOBO TABATA, DEN CASO HOLLOWAY
Ministery of Justice owing to revela kico the evidence was new, in Holloway case come across

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diahuebs merdia Ministerio Publico a tene un conferencia di prensa, relaciona cu nan decision di declara cu Joran van der Sloot y e rumannan Kalpoe no ta sospechoso mas den e caso di desaparicion di Natalee Holloway.
Ministery of Justice owing to it reveals there was new evidence in Holloway case.
Oranjestad:  Yesterday in the afternoon is ministery of justice owing to as one press conference relation with they decision of declaration of Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoes don´t more suspects in the case of Natalee Holloway.

Fiscal Mayor Hans Mos a cuminza na bisa cu Ministerio Publico no tin trio mas como sospechoso.
El a bisa cu e decision aki no a wordo tuma facilmente, sino Ministerio Publico a evalua tur cos hunto cu tur hurista na nan disposicion y conhuntamente e conclusion a wordo saca cu e investigacion al fin y al cabo no a conduci na suficiente evidencia legal, pa por hiba e caso dilanti huez cu exito.
Fiscal parent Hans Mos owing to cuminza at tell with Ministery of Justice not have the trio more of suspects, because owing in the past to tell with the decision here not owing to word take facilmente, but Ministery of Justice owing to evalua all cos together with all hurista at they disposition and conhuntamente the conclusion owing to word removes
with the investigation already and already end not owing to conduci at sufficient evidence legal, for can take away the case fast huez with exit.

Mos a sigui bisa cu si e caso lo a bin dilanti, ta sigur cu e sospechosonan lo a wordo declara liber di tur acusacion.Mirando cu Ministerio Publico a yega na e conclusion ey, lo tabata contra e codigo profesional di O.M pa toch purba di bay corte cu e caso aki.
Mos owing to follow with to tell, if the case will owing to come fast, is assure with the sospechosonan will owing to word it declares pound of all accusation. Watching with Ministery of Justice owing to arrive at the conclusion ey, I was against to the cosay profesional of or.m for yet try of bay corte with the case here.

Part 2 translating Papiamentu article from Diario. CBB I don't do part 3, because this all we all know. It goes about the witness and the chat-conversations.

Despues di a splica con e investigacion a sigui, entre otro bao di guia di un equipo nobo, fiscal Mos a sigui bisa cu nan a saca tur cos for di bahul, pa por yega na hiba e sospechosonan dilanti di huez, pero sin exito.
After of owing to splica with the investigacion owing to follow, among another beam of guide of one equipment new, fiscal Mos owing to follow tell with they owing to removes it all cos for of bahul, for can arrive at take away the suspects fast of huez, but without exit.

El a bisa cu mirando cu evidencia nobo a bin dilanti y cu di berdad el a sinti cu Ministerio Publico lo por a logra algo cu esaki, el a prefera di hasi un intento di logra yega haya mas material pa por hiba e caso dilanti, en bez di keda sin purba.
Past owing to tell with watching of new evidence owing to come fast and with of berdad past owing to feel with Ministery of Justice will can owing to succeed something with this, past owing to prefera of make one attempt of succeed arrive achieve more material for can take away fast the case, provided that bez of stay without try.

Pa loke ta e evidencia nobo, Mos a splica cu ora cu Ministerio Publico papia di evidencia nobo, e ta referi na tur material cu a wordo haya, despues cu e tres sospechosonan a wordo laga den libertad despues di Juli 2005.
For thing is the new evidence, Ministery of Justice Mos owing to splica with a hour talk of new evidence, the is referi at all material with owing to word achieve, after with the three suspects owing to word let in freedom after of July 2005.

Mirando cu e material a wordo haya despues cu nan a sali den libertad, e por a wordo considera como evidencia nobo, pa cual un biaha mas e sospechosonan por a wordo deteni atrobe y e huez tabata di acuerdo cu tabata tin suficiente motibo pa hasi esaki.
Watching with the material owing to woro achieve after with they owing to leave in freedom, the can owing to words it considers because; new evidence, for as once more the suspects can owing to words deteni again and the huez with of agreement was have sufficient motibo for make this.

Mos a trece dilanti cu un pista importante cu O.M a haya tabata un testigo femenino cu a bin dilanti na Juni 2007.E testigo aki a conta O.M di un conversacion telefonico cu e tabata tin cu un di e sospechosonan, exactamente 5 ora y 13 minuut despues cu segun O.M Natalee Holloway lo a wordo mira bibo pa ultimo biaha.
Mos owing to trece fast cu one pista important cu or.m owing to achieve was one witness female with owing to come fast at june 2007. A witness here owing to count ; or.m of one telephone conversation with the was have with one of the suspects, exactly 5 hour and 13 minuut after with according or.m Natalee Holloway will owing to wordo see bibo for complete trip.

E testigo a bisa cu durante e conversacion, e por a tende cu algo no tabata bon cu e persona.El a puntra e mucha homber kico a pasa y como contesta el a bisa e mucha muher cu e no kier hinca e mucha muher den problema y cu loke a sosode, no por a wordo palabra door di telefon.
The witness owing to tell with during the conversation, the can owing to hear with something not was good with the person. El owing to ask about the boy kico owing to happen and because; it answers past owing to tell the child muher with the does not it sinks the child muher in problem and with thing owing to sosode, not can owing to words door of telephone.

Banda di esaki tabata tin declaracion di un testigo tocante di comportacion di un di e otro sospechosonan riba dia di desaparicion di Natalee.Ademas di esaki investigacion digital a wordo hasi riba hard disk di computer di e 3 sospechosonan y riba computer di otro hende tambe.
Near of this was have declaration of one witness tocante of comportacion of one of the another suspect day of disappearance of Natalee. Ademas of this investigation digital owing to words make on hard disk of computer of the 3 suspects and on computer of another person also.

E hard disk-nan aki tabata contene conversacionnan di chat entre e sospechosonan y entre sospechoso y otronan cu tabata mustra di sa mas di e caso aki tambe. E conversacionnan aki tabata contene informacion importante.
The hard disk-nan here was contene conversations of chat among the suspects and among suspect and others with was show of know more of the case here also.
And the conversation aki tabata contene important information.

[NYC_lover]

MRS Klaasend u got mail!

[Tylergal]

Could be Magnolia. That's most probable, but I'm thinking it COULD have been with Freddy as well. Actually, Deepak tried to line up an alibi with a girl, and so he may not have been as careful as he should have been with other people. I think Deepak also arranged for Steve Croes to tell his story of seeing them drop her off at the Hoiday Inn, too, but that's just my opinion and it's based on the police car transcripts.

I just don't think that Freddy or Steve Croes were involved yet when the
chat occurred.  I think the chat was the night Natalee disappeared.

That's what I think also.

[private eye]

I feel as if we first off, have no other "horse" to ride in this case, but also because his actions have a legitimate strategy that can be assigned to them, and I know this is flaky, when I watch him speak and act, my gut says he is sincere, working to clean some mess up, and seemsstrong enough to act independently. I just pray he isn't simply a better actor.

I also noticed that the decision to not prosecute is made not by the prosecutor, but by the office of the ministry. In fact the only reason he was able to arrest the 3 boys this time was that Rudy was in India trying to drum up some tourists for Aruba and was away from his post.

[klaasend]

NYC - just responded

FYI - I received some contract work that needs to be done prior to 12/28/2007.  I'm trying to keep up in the forum but can't always respond to posts and emails.  Just wanted to let you guys know I'm not ignoring you.

[Tylergal]

That is better, Magnolia! Thanks! Between that and NY, we may get to what it says afterall!

We need Getagrip!!!

Sandylevy was here this morning.  I wish I had asked about the translation.

KLAAS, DO YOU HAVE CLAUDIA'S E-MAIL?  I no longer have it.  New computer.

[Tylergal]

I think everyone might ought to re-think their feelings towards Mos. A good case can still be made that he is doing his job to the best of his abilities, possibly. He executed a strategy designed to attempt to make one of the boys panic and talk with arrest of the three boys. If you get in the case late, and there has been a coverup, then there isn't a lot to work with from Mos point of view, the prosecutor. So he attempted to shake some new evidence from not only a cold case, but a case that has actrually been washed clean of evidence by the previous investigation. Then he or the Dutch found new technology that enabled them to retrieve data that the clean up investigation crew thought they had cleaned. That evidence, if correct, was a statement by one of the 3 that "the girl was dead" and found a new witness that stated something was wrong with Joran that night after 1 and before daylight. Armed with that he executed his strategy designed to create new evidence from the boys. He took it to the judge, but of course the judge said it is not enough. Most prosecutors would have left it at that. But Mos didn't stop there, he called a press conference to tell the world what he found in Aruba, including what evidence he presented. He also kept Rudy Croes in the dark, the Minister of Justice, who has played a huge role in this coverup and had previously played a huge role in the Mathew coverup. In fact the Mathew case corruption was accomplished by none other than Rudy Croes, Ben Vonking (Prosecutors office), and Paulus Van Der Sloot. The  3 Asskateers of Aruba.

A lot of criticism has been directed towards Mos speaking Dutch during his press conference, but who he has to play this out in front of to affect a change is Holland. So his audience speaks Dutch. They have to be convinced because Holland is the key to Aruba. Aruba is soveriegn, but they are not solvent, and they dependent upon Dutch money to exists. In addition, Van Der Sloot and the Judges are all employees of the Dutch, so their conduct is subject to Dutch review. Maybe he should have had a translator, or gave the USA networks a heads up so they could have a translator, but he is going against the forces of the coverup, executing far superior strategy's than we have seen in the past on this case, and seems to be inclined to shine the light on the roaches as he goes.

I know this goes against popular pro Natalee concerns, and I realize that I almost expect for him to chump me, but my brain thinks that JUST MAYBE HE IS NOT. HE MAY BE FOR REAL.

He was not allowed to give Beth or JQK any of the evidence while they were down there according to my understanding of Dutch Law, and he didn't. The person who is sincerely trying to solve this case is going to follow the law concerning everyone.

Yes, it appears that Mos has been treated in much the same way as Beth & Dave, without regard for justice or human life by the Arubans and ALE.

[Tylergal]

Tourism is just their 'Cover' 

Gambling, prostitution and drugs are where the big money is.  I think Spencer Bacchus' bill to stop online gambling was defeated.  That bill went to the House in February 2006 (I think, working from an old woman's memory here), but Shedegg and Jon Kyl were also in favor of such a bill but it  never made its way out of the house, if memory serves.

Tyler,

I believe the bill actually written by Spencer Bauchus was not used but another supposedly even better was used in its stead and DID pass.  It is supposedly illegal to use credit cards for online gambling in this country but they find ways around it like billing to something listed as other than a casino.  Bauchus was very big in getting this passed which was tied to Abramoff PROSECUTION contrary to what some people posted about Bauchus.  He has done as much to stop online gambling as any congressman in this country.

That's what I was thinking.  Was it Jon Kyl's bill that passed or Shedegg's?  I remember there were two but was thinking Bacchus' bill did not make it out of the House but one that contained similar but better language by maybe jon Kyl and Sessions?  Am I drinking too much egg nog or do you remember this as well?

[Tylergal]

Nut4 posted:
Tourism is just their 'Cover' 

Nut,
I completely agree with this and that is why Aruba dares to be so arrogant with Americans.  They have long ago found more lucrative and easier ways to make money.  I have been saying this for over a year now but have not found much agreement.

If they have the money to launder, they can just show the tourist on paper.  They don't have to even exist.  That's what is keeping their room occupancy so high.  I would venture to guess there are any number of ghost tourists who will oddly enough pay their bills in cash which can then be deposited in the bank and become clean.

I always get a lecture about how I don't understand the hospitality industry and hotels, etc. but show me a set of books and I will show you how to cook them! 

If you have fifty tourists, just report 100 and deposit the dirty money as from the added fifty that do not even exist and voilà, clean money.  Then pay it to whomever it belongs for fake charges, etc.

If they truly, those in power, needed tourists, they would not be thumbing their noses and insulting their best customer.  They don't need REAL tourists at all, just the appearance of having them.  Thence the empty beaches while claiming a high occupancy rate.  Latin American drug money by the millions with each one getting just enough of a cut to get fat.

My opinion only but bet it would be interesting to take a peek into some of those hotel rooms and see if they are actually occupied.

Why else would they keep on and on and on spitting in our faces when we have done absolutely nothing wrong to them?  Because they can.  And those PTB know it. 

They are still the Pirates of the Caribbean, just gone high tech.

Only My Humble Opinion.

.

I totally agree and that is why I was thrilled about the Spencer Bacchus bill, it was one way of getting at the gambling but then there are those here who think Bacchus has done nothing, but they are not looking at the overall picture.  I am sure Jug understands it, however.

[private eye]

I agree and always have that the body was disposed of in the crematorium. It is extremely difficult to hide a body under water. For one reason or another, they always seem to break loose and float back to shore. Paulus seems absolutely confident that the body isn't just hid, it is gone, and burning it would be the way to accomplish that. I think they have probably cleaned up a lot of deaths in Aruba in the past leaving no trail, and I think burning was the solution. Clothing, identification, etc. would all vanish without a trace. I think this time th operator got nervous, had been told she was an accident victim, and when all the pressure arrived got nervous and really didn't want to be a part of this, so they killed him, and did so in a manner that the drug lords do to silence the masses, they beheaded him and dumped him in plain sight of the people of Aruba. This guy had a decent job at the refinery, and in addition operated the crematorium, so he wasn't some piece of trash or some native from South America who drifted into Aruba, as they portrayed him when it happened. And he and Paulus obviously knew each other since they both did work for the same hospital. I am glad to see an interest in this theory, so that I don't feel all alone imagining that such evil could be involved here.

[2NJSons_Mom]

That is better, Magnolia! Thanks! Between that and NY, we may get to what it says afterall!

We need Getagrip!!!

Sandylevy was here this morning.  I wish I had asked about the translation.

KLAAS, DO YOU HAVE CLAUDIA'S E-MAIL?  I no longer have it.  New computer.

Magnolia brought over Getagrip's translation...it's a couple pages back...(perhaps you know that and I'm misunderstanding here...)

[msmarple]

Magnolia posted Getagrip's translation of today's Diario article 2 or 3 pages back.

Here it is from Getagrip....ta dah!
Thanks Getagrip!

Public Ministry reveals what the new evidence was in the Holloway case
Diario Aruba
12/21/2007


ORANJESTAD(AAN): Midday Thursday, the Public Ministry held a press conference related to their decision to declare that Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers are no longer suspects in the case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Chief prosecutor Hans Mos started by saying that the Public Ministry no longer holds the trio as suspects.

He said that this decision was not taken lightly, and that the Public Ministry evaluated every aspect along with jurists are their disposal and jointly the conclusion was reached that finally the investigation did not produce enough legal evidence to be able to bring the case successfully before a judge.

Mos continued to say that if the case had been brought forth, he is sure that the suspects would have been acquitted of all accusations. Given that the Public Ministry arrived at this conclusion, it was against the O.M.’s professional code to bring this case to court.

After explaining how the investigation proceeded, among other things under the guidance of a new team, prosecutor Mos continued to say that they made use of all available tools to be able to bring the suspects in front of a judge, but unsuccessfully.

He said that given that the new evidence was brought up and that he truly felt that the Public Ministry could have achieved something with this, he preferred to make an attempt to be able to find more material to bring the case forward, rather than not try.

As to the new evidence, Mos explained that when the Public Ministry spoke of the new evidence, it referred to all evidence that had been found after the three suspects were set free after July 2005.

Given that the evidence was found after that they were released, they could consider it as new evidence, for which once again the suspects could be re-detained and the judge was in agreement that there was sufficient reason to do this.

Mos brought up that an important clue that the O.M. found was a female witness who came forward in June 2007. This witness told the O.M. about a telephone conversation that she had with one of the suspects, exactly 5 hours and 13 minutes after Natalee Holloway was last seen alive for the last time, according to the O.M.

The witness said that during the conversation, she could hear that something wasn’t right with the person. She asked the boy what happened and as an answer he told the girl that he didn’t want to get her in trouble and that what happened could not be told over the phone.

Aside from this, there was a declaration from a witness relating to the bahaviour of one of the other suspects on the day of the disappearance of Natalee. Furthermore, a digital search was conducted on the hard drives of the 3 suspects’ computers and on the computers of others as well.

These hard drives contained chat conversations among the suspects and among the suspects and others which demonstrated that they knew more about this case as well. These conversations contained important information.

One of these chats referred to the fact that Natalee was dead. This search was better able to determine a so-called ‘time line’ in regards to the disappearance of Natalee. The technicians in the digital search are technicians who did not have access to these earlier in the investigation.

The reconstructed time line, combined with facts found earlier and the information given by the suspects in their declarations, made the O.M. conclude that the last version given by the suspects could not fit with the truth.

Because of this there were big questions about the 3 suspects’ alibis. Another new evidence was a recording made in the Kalpoe brothers’ home.

Prosecutor Mos brought up that additionally, with the different interviews that Joran and his father gave to different Dutch media, it gave the impression that they had more information than they had given.

The problem was that there was little direct evidence to be able to bring the case in front of a judge. The fact that the three suspects made use of their right to remain silent also made it very difficult to make the case.

The Public Ministry had to take a decision to declare the kids no longer suspects in this case because according to the law, this has to be done within a reasonable period of time, in order for the O.M. not to lose its right to prosecute this case.

Now that the decision has been taken, it does not mean that the investigation into this case will not continue, rather that a different phase begins.

All new evidence that surfaces will be added to the evidence they already have, to see if they could still make a criminal case. If there’s enough evidence, they can still begin a criminal case against the 3 suspects.

However, one has to take into account the term [statute of limitations] that the law has for this. According to Mos, the law sets a term of 6 years for voluntary manslaughter, while for murder, the term by which the case against the suspects must be made is 12 years.

If after 12 years any important evidence is found, the suspects could no longer be criminally prosecuted.

Mos explained that there are some special agents available to continue the investigation and this is important, because there are various people who have come forward who have said that they have certain information that could help in the investigation.

Because of this, the chief prosecutor made an appeal for any persons who have information, to come forward with it.

[translated by Getagrip]


// posted by Getagrip @ 12/21/2007 10:53:00 AM 
12.19.2007

[Tylergal]

Mum

The way I am reading what MOS told CNN is this:

1. They recovered chats between 2 of the 3 suspects that occured in the wee hours (shortly) of the morning that Natalee went missing

In an Internet chat shortly after Holloway vanished, one of the three suspects said she was dead, Mos said. That is what I understand.

2. They recovered chats with the suspects and others

New technology that was not available in 2005 was used to find that chat and more between two of the three suspects, as well as others, he said.I also believe this is what I understand


3. They have a phone call between 1 of the suspects and a female that happened within 6 hrs of Natalee being seen lastYes

Other evidence against the three included two new witness statements. In one, a female friend told authorities that one suspect called her about five hours after Holloway was last seen leaving an Oranjestad, Aruba, nightclub with van der Sloot and the Kalpoes. Which I think is the above

The female friend said that she could tell during the conversation that something was wrong, Mos said. When she asked about it, the suspect -- whom Mos did not name -- told her that "he didn't want to cause her any trouble, and that what had happened couldn't be discussed over the phone," he said.Ditto


4. They have a witness (teacher) Probably the same teacher who took pictures of Joran with the scratches and she has since disappeared to Ethiopia.  I wonder if she lost her head on that trip.

A second witness statement came from a teacher who said that another one of the suspects exhibited "very peculiar behavior" the day after Holloway's disappearance, including making or receiving a lot of telephone calls, Mos said.

5.Kalpoes house bugged
That is what I understand, which led me to believe the "disposal" is in this conversation
A fourth piece of new evidence came when authorities bugged the Kalpoe home in June and picked up a conversation about what happened that night, he said, but did not elaborate.



All of this happened before Beth & Jug got there, (in fact sounds like before daylight Monday to me, except for the teacher) when these 3 should not have known she was missing.Yes, so they were way ahead of the airplane from Birmingham

Evidence of guilt imo..


OS

6. From PV's (I believe) Freddie says jvds told him on Monday (someone help me out here)..

7. An earlier post jvds gets home at 4 am.Right and Paulus said, "I picked them up at McDonald's around 4 a.m."   

8. Headmaster at jvds school talks about Natalee falling and hitting her head.

Feel free to add to the list..Right

What else do we know happened before Monday night when Jug & Beth arrived?

OS

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Nut4 posted:
Tourism is just their 'Cover' 

Nut,
I completely agree with this and that is why Aruba dares to be so arrogant with Americans.  They have long ago found more lucrative and easier ways to make money.  I have been saying this for over a year now but have not found much agreement.

If they have the money to launder, they can just show the tourist on paper.  They don't have to even exist.  That's what is keeping their room occupancy so high.  I would venture to guess there are any number of ghost tourists who will oddly enough pay their bills in cash which can then be deposited in the bank and become clean.

I always get a lecture about how I don't understand the hospitality industry and hotels, etc. but show me a set of books and I will show you how to cook them! 

If you have fifty tourists, just report 100 and deposit the dirty money as from the added fifty that do not even exist and voilà, clean money.  Then pay it to whomever it belongs for fake charges, etc.

If they truly, those in power, needed tourists, they would not be thumbing their noses and insulting their best customer.  They don't need REAL tourists at all, just the appearance of having them.  Thence the empty beaches while claiming a high occupancy rate.  Latin American drug money by the millions with each one getting just enough of a cut to get fat.

My opinion only but bet it would be interesting to take a peek into some of those hotel rooms and see if they are actually occupied.

Why else would they keep on and on and on spitting in our faces when we have done absolutely nothing wrong to them?  Because they can.  And those PTB know it. 

They are still the Pirates of the Caribbean, just gone high tech.

Only My Humble Opinion.

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I totally agree and that is why I was thrilled about the Spencer Bacchus bill, it was one way of getting at the gambling but then there are those here who think Bacchus has done nothing, but they are not looking at the overall picture.  I am sure Jug understands it, however.

There is a huge amount of money made by Arubans on illegal activities, but it only goes into private bank accounts of a few individuals and is not taxed, so the country of Aruba cannot provide for its services without tourism and mostly without money from Holland. It seems like in 2006 Rudy Croes was working very hard and sweating because Holland wasn't sure if they were going to give them the money. I will try and find the details.

The crooks only want to control Aruba, not provide for the services that the Aruban people need such as streets, sewer, police, etc.