Natalee Case Discussion #706 12/20 -

[SunnyinTX]

Part 1 translating Papiamentu article from Diario

MINISTERIO PUBLICO A REVELA KICO E EVIDENCIA
NOBO TABATA, DEN CASO HOLLOWAY
Ministery of Justice owing to revela kico the evidence was new, in Holloway case come across

ORANJESTAD(AAN): Diahuebs merdia Ministerio Publico a tene un conferencia di prensa, relaciona cu nan decision di declara cu Joran van der Sloot y e rumannan Kalpoe no ta sospechoso mas den e caso di desaparicion di Natalee Holloway.
Ministery of Justice owing to it reveals there was new evidence in Holloway case.
Oranjestad:  Yesterday in the afternoon is ministery of justice owing to as one press conference relation with they decision of declaration of Joran van der Sloot and the Kalpoes don´t more suspects in the case of Natalee Holloway.

Fiscal Mayor Hans Mos a cuminza na bisa cu Ministerio Publico no tin trio mas como sospechoso.
El a bisa cu e decision aki no a wordo tuma facilmente, sino Ministerio Publico a evalua tur cos hunto cu tur hurista na nan disposicion y conhuntamente e conclusion a wordo saca cu e investigacion al fin y al cabo no a conduci na suficiente evidencia legal, pa por hiba e caso dilanti huez cu exito.
Fiscal parent Hans Mos owing to cuminza at tell with Ministery of Justice not have the trio more of suspects, because owing in the past to tell with the decision here not owing to word take facilmente, but Ministery of Justice owing to evalua all cos together with all hurista at they disposition and conhuntamente the conclusion owing to word removes
with the investigation already and already end not owing to conduci at sufficient evidence legal, for can take away the case fast huez with exit.

Mos a sigui bisa cu si e caso lo a bin dilanti, ta sigur cu e sospechosonan lo a wordo declara liber di tur acusacion.Mirando cu Ministerio Publico a yega na e conclusion ey, lo tabata contra e codigo profesional di O.M pa toch purba di bay corte cu e caso aki.
Mos owing to follow with to tell, if the case will owing to come fast, is assure with the sospechosonan will owing to word it declares pound of all accusation. Watching with Ministery of Justice owing to arrive at the conclusion ey, I was against to the cosay profesional of or.m for yet try of bay corte with the case here.

thank you NYC!!!

[private eye]

The timing indicates it COULD BE POSSIBLE

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[igsigs]

Mos saying that the chat records were found with new technology - i think he giving ALE a pass on that one. The PVs indicate that ALE could not locate Deepak's JC Croes chat from the night in question. Supercop V/D Straten was probably too busy bungling cell phone triangulation data to follow up.

And...new information from a witness who spoke on the phone to a suspect early Monday morning? How did they miss/ignore that?

[2NJSons_Mom]

The timing indicates it COULD BE POSSIBLE

About Digicel

Since their launch in 2001, Digicel has become the fastest growing mobile telecommunications operator in the Caribbean. In four years, they have become renowned for competitive rates, unbeatable coverage, superior customer care, a wide variety of products and services and state-of-the-art handsets as well as community support and development.

Here's a pdf article about a boycott attempt by Matthew's wife, dated 2004.

[SunnyinTX]

Did I miss the Kalpoe news conference?

If not, do we have a time posted for it to happen?

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Anna thanks for asking...I just got back in and was going to ask....you read my mind!!

[SunnyinTX]

Rudy Croes to me is the epitome of everything that is wrong about Aruba. And I assume that he would have to have the dirty hand in Aruba as he is the one who would have to be paid to be allowed to do illegal business in Aruba. That puts him in the bed with the drug lords, money launderers, pimps, pornographers, murderers, human traffickers, arms smugglers, etc. He has absolutely no background in law or legal training as he was awarded his post due to the fact that his Daddy created the current political party in power. He previously was employed as a lab technician. I am collecting a post with every allegation or fact that I can find about Rudy, and they are very telling of his nature. I understand that in 2006 he was even found to possess, if possible, 3 sex slaves from Columbia, so needless to say he has never shed a tear over the death of Natalee, unless she originally was meant for him. Anyway, I will post it soon, and all of you may be aware so I will apologize in advance if it is redundant.

But my point in advance is that in the Mathew case, there was a franchise for a telecommunication company that Mathew somehow was awarded, and he was stripped of that franchise due to his arrest for domestic abuse against his wife. She is a doctor of some sorts and she vehemently denies that it occurred. The three men mentioned most frequently as being the Arubans involved are Paulus Van Der Sloot, Ben Vonking, and the man who was able to keep Mathew in isolation and subjected to inhumane conditions and thus silence him, Rudy Croes. Rudy controls the police, jail, and the prosecutors office to a certain extent, and completely if you add Van Der Sloot and Vonking. In my opinion that same trio, the 3 Assketeers of Aruba simply reunited after a 1 year respite to now cover up this case. It explains why it has never seemed like an all Aruba or an all Dutch cover up, because it was accomplished by 3 sorry bastards, 1 from Aruba and and 2 Dutch.

And I have to think that Charles Croes became involved because it was him that received the telecommunication franchise after Mathew, a black, was arrested and stripped of the franchise. I feel as if he won the franchise as his wife is well educated and being one of only a few in Aruba, she wrote the best application, she just had the wrong color skin and the Aruban thugs stripped it from them.

again I agree with you.....keep thinking and talking

[NYC_lover]

thank you NYC!!!

No problem, part 2 is there also. Only I am stopped with translating because it is all the same, about that witness and chat-conversation.

But I want tell, I have sometimes problems with wireless internet connected by my laptop. No idea what is the problem. sometimes is the connection not to find and I have around 10 times reset the modem.  And I am so mad about that. And don't worried when I am not answer directly. When this goes happened, when my internet is down, (for many days) I want send somebody an email.

[SunnyinTX]

The involvement of Croes was by accident I think because Croes only involvement began since Beth and Jug needed a phone, he met with them, listened and was probably sincerely going to help until he learned the Van Der Sloots were involved. He obviously was friends, involved with, or at least obligated to Paulus because of possibly the phone company that Rudy, Vonking and Van Der Sloot helped him get, and thus his relationship which began as one of helping Beth evolved into a relationship where he worked against Beth. I think Julia and Croes both originally were going to help, and then realized the whos and then had to double cross Beth. Most people would help a Mother in tears look for her daughter, only this time they couldn't. Their obligation was to protect another persons child

that's is what I thought as well.....both did an abrupt about face when they found out the van der sloot's were involved...

[SunnyinTX]

The involvement of Croes was by accident I think because Croes only involvement began since Beth and Jug needed a phone, he met with them, listened and was probably sincerely going to help until he learned the Van Der Sloots were involved. He obviously was friends, involved with, or at least obligated to Paulus because of possibly the phone company that Rudy, Vonking and Van Der Sloot helped him get, and thus his relationship which began as one of helping Beth evolved into a relationship where he worked against Beth. I think Julia and Croes both originally were going to help, and then realized the whos and then had to double cross Beth. Most people would help a Mother in tears look for her daughter, only this time they couldn't. Their obligation was to protect another persons child

I think you give Julia way too much credit.  Sorry.

I agree she is such a focking sloot that she is probably kin to Paulas:))))))) I hope that didn't offend you, but I depise that ho, and that is the kindest word for her I can find. Some crook's bitch who thinks she is something when she is pure white trash. And she comes by it honestly as she is the spitting image of her momma

hahahaha..I knew I liked you!!  renho is the scum of the earth...lower than the lowest

[klaasend]

Rudy Croes, Ben King, all Dutch, right?

Rudy is Aruban

[SunnyinTX]

thank you NYC!!!

No problem, part 2 is there also. Only I am stopped with translating because it is all the same, about that witness and chat-conversation.

But I want tell, I have sometimes problems with wireless internet connected by my laptop. No idea what is the problem. sometimes is the connection not to find and I have around 10 times reset the modem.  And I am so mad about that. And don't worried when I am not answer directly. When this goes happened, when my internet is down, (for many days) I want send somebody an email.

I  hope it doesn't happen too often...we would be worried about you for sure!!  and emailing you

[Lala'sMom]

Rudy Croes, Ben King, all Dutch, right?

Rudy is Aruban

Thank you.   

[private eye]

The timing indicates it COULD BE POSSIBLE

About Digicel

Since their launch in 2001, Digicel has become the fastest growing mobile telecommunications operator in the Caribbean. In four years, they have become renowned for competitive rates, unbeatable coverage, superior customer care, a wide variety of products and services and state-of-the-art handsets as well as community support and development.

Here's a pdf article about a boycott attempt by Matthew's wife, dated 2004.

I will read it and I appreciate you forwarding it. Before I read it though I do admit that Mathew always seems to be saying the world is against him. What I believe might be true is that he has a temper, is a pretty tuff guy to try and physically control, so as a result they almost have to cripple him so that he doesn't hurt them as far as prisons go. His crimes on the outside of prison are very minor, by legal classification, as he originally only had a 49? day sentence is Aruba. I think in the US, once they saw he almost killed the warden in Aruba, they treated him as if he was extremely dangerous, as he apparently is due to his skills. As for his present trouble, he had no reason to lie as far as his immigration status that I can find. His problems seem to escalate once he is incarcerated.

[Observer]

Rudy Croes, Ben King, all Dutch, right?

Rudy is Aruban

Yes,and Oduber is Arawak Indian/European descent.

[private eye]

Rudy Croes, Ben King, all Dutch, right?

Rudy is Aruban

Thank you.   

Aren't all Arubans Dutch though? Rudy does not work for the Dutch but the other 2 do.

[Lala'sMom]

The involvement of Croes was by accident I think because Croes only involvement began since Beth and Jug needed a phone, he met with them, listened and was probably sincerely going to help until he learned the Van Der Sloots were involved. He obviously was friends, involved with, or at least obligated to Paulus because of possibly the phone company that Rudy, Vonking and Van Der Sloot helped him get, and thus his relationship which began as one of helping Beth evolved into a relationship where he worked against Beth. I think Julia and Croes both originally were going to help, and then realized the whos and then had to double cross Beth. Most people would help a Mother in tears look for her daughter, only this time they couldn't. Their obligation was to protect another persons child

that's is what I thought as well.....both did an abrupt about face when they found out the van der sloot's were involved...

Charles Croes knew the very first night that the Sloots were involved.  Beth had already made that fact known to him and Julia knew the next day.  They were not helping anyone from the beginning...Croes was the one that sat in the backseat with Beth and did that weird questioning and such about Natalee.  They knew within a few hours of Natalee's disappearance who was involved.  Don't kid yourself!

[Anna]

Private Eye,

The concept of the crematorium has been discussed here at length and one poster Rob contacted Matthews Crematoriums (no relations to Eduardo Alex Matthews) and they have a website and claim to have installed one in Aruba.  Aruba denies having one and sends people to Curacao for cremation.  Someone on another site posted it was for pets but no where on Matthews site does it say any such thing.

So we have a vanishing crematorium but was connected to the mortuary operated by a woman with last name of Wever, can't recall first.

Someone here will have more information on this.  My filing system leaves much to be desired I am afraid.

We also researched the temperature requirements for incineration of a human body and found them to be quite high.  Probably higher than those of the trash incinerators all the big hotels have and possibly the refinery as well.  Interestingly, small kilns for firing ceramics actually reach higher temps.  This is still a subject for ridicule on certain sites.

But I do find it interesting that a crematorium was sold and sent to Aruba then it just disappeared.  One of those things that makes one go hummmm.

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[Lala'sMom]

Rudy Croes, Ben King, all Dutch, right?

Rudy is Aruban

Thank you.   

Aren't all Arubans Dutch though? Rudy does not work for the Dutch but the other 2 do.

No there are the Dutch elite and then there are the ones they look down their noses at...the Arubans.  I think there is a distinction.

[Anna]

Private Eye,

The room tax on fake tourists would be the same as real ones so money laundered in this method would have to pay that cut to the government.

But remember that Aruba claims to be autonomous, just not solvent.  How else can they have all that wealth on display and millions in tourism and not be solvent if everybody is paying their fair share.

The Dutch get to foot the bill on much of the health care and other social services.  At least they had to in the past but with this new autonomy, all of that is still up in the air as there is a major dispute because Oduber refuses to account for money the Dutch already gave to Aruba and further says he will not in the future as is protected from doing so by their Constitution.

But one would think instead of being in debt up to their eyeballs, the Aruban government would be swimming in big bucks from all the taxes from their most lucrative tourism.  And it would be if it were all legit which it isn't.

They are just about maxed out at IMF even and owe for that new huge cruise ship dock no one is docking at, major hotel properties which the government only leases to the hotels, etc.

So where does all that tourist tax do if things are above board?  Certainly not to pay their bills which are mounting by the year tremendously as are taxes.

Just my opinion of the economics of that place.  No one will ever see the real books on Aruba for sure.

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[SunnyinTX]

The involvement of Croes was by accident I think because Croes only involvement began since Beth and Jug needed a phone, he met with them, listened and was probably sincerely going to help until he learned the Van Der Sloots were involved. He obviously was friends, involved with, or at least obligated to Paulus because of possibly the phone company that Rudy, Vonking and Van Der Sloot helped him get, and thus his relationship which began as one of helping Beth evolved into a relationship where he worked against Beth. I think Julia and Croes both originally were going to help, and then realized the whos and then had to double cross Beth. Most people would help a Mother in tears look for her daughter, only this time they couldn't. Their obligation was to protect another persons child

that's is what I thought as well.....both did an abrupt about face when they found out the van der sloot's were involved...

Charles Croes knew the very first night that the Sloots were involved.  Beth had already made that fact known to him and Julia knew the next day.  They were not helping anyone from the beginning...Croes was the one that sat in the backseat with Beth and did that weird questioning and such about Natalee.  They knew within a few hours of Natalee's disappearance who was involved.  Don't kid yourself!

I think that is what I said???...they seemed willing to help until they found out the sloots were involved....croes that night and renho whenever...I am not sure it has ever been established exactly when renho got involved.....