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« Reply #900 on: December 21, 2007, 09:43:12 PM »

does anyone know if the Kalpoes had their press conference today?

dld ... I am just catching up with some reading on this thread.  If Deepak and Satish had a press conference today ... could somebody please bump the related post.  Tamikosmom's eyes have just about had it today and ... a couple of games of Scrabble with friends is still on the agenda this evening.

I was able to locate the following AP article by googling.  It quotes Deepak Kalpoe's attorney ... Ronald Wix.

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Aruban defense attorneys dispute alleged evidence in Holloway case
The Associated Press Published: December 21, 2007



ORANJESTAD, Aruba: A suspect in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway never mentioned her death in an online chat, his lawyer said Friday, contradicting Aruban prosecutors who called the comment key new evidence in the case.

The chat log fell far short of justifying the arrest of Deepak Kalpoe, one of three men seen with the American teen the night of her disappearance, said attorney Ronald Wix.

A court in the Dutch Caribbean island agreed and quickly released Kalpoe, along with brother Satish and a third suspect, Joran van der Sloot. Now, authorities should leave the three men alone, Wix told reporters.

"If they as much as look at our clients too long, we'll take them to court," said Wix, who also represents Satish Kalpoe.

The three suspects were seen leaving a bar with Holloway on the final night of her high school graduation trip to the island.

Aruban prosecutors detailed the chat log for the first time Thursday, saying it was a key clue that they hoped would break open the long-stalled investigation. The men did not speak with investigators while detained and a judge ordered their release for lack of evidence.

Upon their release, authorities said they had reached a dead end after two years of pursuing fruitless searches and leads, though they could still prosecute the men if they uncover evidence.

In discussing the online chat, prosecutor Hans Mos told reporters that one of the suspects — he did not disclose which — wrote that Holloway, 18 at the time of disappearance, was dead. He also said Internet messages among two suspects discussed meeting drunk American girls in Aruba.

Wix said the prosecution misinterpreted Deepak Kalpoe's Internet chats.

The 24-year-old native of Suriname in fact told a friend he was upset and thought it was stupid of him to let Holloway, whom he called a drunk stranger, get into his car, the attorney said.

Kalpoe then commented on the death of a tennis teacher who drowned in Aruba almost three years ago. When prosecutors translated his writing from Papiamento to Dutch, they substituted 'the death' to 'her death,' and assumed he was talking about Holloway, Wix said. Most Arubans speak Papiamento, a Creole language that has absorbed words from Spanish, Dutch, English and Portuguese.

Mos was on vacation Friday and could not be reached for a response. Another prosecutor, Dop Kruimel, did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment.

Holloway vanished May 30, 2005, hours before she was to return home to Mountain Brook, Alabama. Extensive searches of the island turned up no trace of her, but the Aruban prosecutors have said they believe she is dead — though without a body they admit a prosecution would be difficult.

Van der Sloot has said he dropped Holloway off at the beach and all three suspects have denied any involvement in her disappearance.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/21/news/CB-GEN-Aruba-Missing-Teen.php
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« Reply #901 on: December 21, 2007, 09:44:18 PM »

I was just over at BFN and there is some talk there that a lawsuit was filed or was going to be filed to exclude any evidence that the search turned up.
I think there are some smart ( to say the least ) ppl in charge of the search and if they see anything on the scans, wouldn't they likely call someone from ?? ALE / LE  in to do the chain of command for evidence before they went down and retrieved it ?
And to dispel any other bloggy stupidness, wouldn't a person be able to tell if :
a.) It was just thrown down there last week to plant evidence ?
b.) Or it was there for quite some time ie 2005 ?


 
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« Reply #902 on: December 21, 2007, 09:45:22 PM »

Afer about 8 minutes we hang up the phone. Deepak will pick me up right away, he was just chatting with a Surinam girl. After about 15 minutes I hear from afar Deepak`s car coming.
I tell Natalee: "The car is here, last chance to come. But she still didn`t want to come. I leave Natalee behind."

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I'm behind, Kermit...couldn't see the CMB in your photo as others could....but this is very interesting and contrary to what was posted earlier...mmmmm...but then, it's earlier than 6am ish...right?

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It needs to be clearly understood that the cell phone system stores information (by law in the US and Europe) that allows the position of a handset to be determined with a typical error of between 50 and 200 metres.

Where micro-cells are used for shadow fill in, such as around buildings like the Palm Beach high-rises, a typical circle of uncertainty is around 100 feet.

The is more than good enough to tell the difference between the front door of the HI and the Fisherman's Huts.

The mystery fishermen may not have seen Joran and Natalee, but the cell phone system could clearly see Joran's cellphone. It supports his story that he was at the Huts, but it also contradicts his story about being driven home (unless he was driven at walking speed).

Once the facts above are understood those who suggest scenarios that don't inculde Joran being at Palm Beach at 2:40am have the additional burden of showing why these three cell calls give a false picture of Joran's movements.


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These days I'm inclined to think that Natalee drowned while Joran was walking home, Deepak was on-line, and Satish was asleep - a simple, tragic, and commonplace misadventure.


I don't agree with all of his conclusions, but I believe Roly, at RU had seen cell phone data.

Where was Joran's phone when his eight minute called began? 

Where was he when it ended?



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« Reply #903 on: December 21, 2007, 09:46:33 PM »

Aruba is the only place in the world that I have seen,that shows people in the newspsper hung with one hand in there pocket.

And how many papers in the world show this type of death anyway, so insensitive to the families, regardless of how it happened.  Just another example of how insensitive they are to human life, and how to them it is meaningless.
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« Reply #904 on: December 21, 2007, 10:00:50 PM »

I was just over at BFN and there is some talk there that a lawsuit was filed or was going to be filed to exclude any evidence that the search turned up.
I think there are some smart ( to say the least ) ppl in charge of the search and if they see anything on the scans, wouldn't they likely call someone from ?? ALE / LE  in to do the chain of command for evidence before they went down and retrieved it ?
And to dispel any other bloggy stupidness, wouldn't a person be able to tell if :
a.) It was just thrown down there last week to plant evidence ?
b.) Or it was there for quite some time ie 2005 ?




 


All of that mess about the lawsuit and planted evidence was started at RU
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« Reply #905 on: December 21, 2007, 10:03:20 PM »


I was thinking of this earlier when I was bumped off this computer by other family members....who's PV states Satish asked 'how's the girl?"....his own or Deepak's?

2NJ

Satish's words fit perfectly into my theory that he was present at the VDS' residence when "something bad happened" to Natalee but he did not realize that she was deceased.  I contend that the decision was made to take Natalee to the beach ... leave her there to sleep off the drugs and ... then she would make it on her own back to the Holiday Inn.  However ... Satish was dropped off at home on the drive to the Beach.

Consider the gardener's observation ... Deepak, Joran and ? were sitting in Deepak's vehicle across the street from the beach in front of the Racquet Ball Club at 2:30 AM on the morning when Natalee went missing.

Art Wood and Dave Holloway have implied to Dana Pretzer that Freddie may be the third person in Deepak's vehicle ... the third person who the gardener could not identify.

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I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach. Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing. He told me Joran told him he left the girl behind at the beach.
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« Reply #906 on: December 21, 2007, 10:07:51 PM »

Aruba is the only place in the world that I have seen,that shows people in the newspsper hung with one hand in there pocket.

And how many papers in the world show this type of death anyway, so insensitive to the families, regardless of how it happened.  Just another example of how insensitive they are to human life, and how to them it is meaningless.

I've often wondered about that.  Would they publish pictures of an elite person from the island that died in that manner?

I remember tabloid pictures of Diana in the car wreck.  Lots of shock over those, probably sold more magazines.

Would those shocking pictures in Aruba sell more papers?  Somehow, I don't think they do.  I think they tell a kind of 'first person' story to people that may not always be literate, but can get a grasp of what has happened (and the horror) through the pictures.

The US is blessed by an good educational system.  IIRC, Aruba does not provide a lot of   educational opportunities to illegal aliens, who may not be literate in their first language.
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Why the complaints from some about publishing the names of the suspects in the US media, and printing their pictures?
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« Reply #907 on: December 21, 2007, 10:08:45 PM »

Satish should have thought "the girl" was on her way back home to Alabama.
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« Reply #908 on: December 21, 2007, 10:11:43 PM »

Isn't it possible that Joran was dropped off at the beach alone, and proceded to walk home while on the cell phone?  Preparing a beach drop off story?

Perhaps he used the cell phone to keep himself company. 
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« Reply #909 on: December 21, 2007, 10:12:36 PM »

Janet - here's a link to what the K2 attorneys said to the media today:

http://www.iht.com:80/articles/ap/2007/12/21/news/CB-GEN-Aruba-Missing-Teen.php
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« Reply #910 on: December 21, 2007, 10:14:09 PM »

Aruba is the only place in the world that I have seen,that shows people in the newspsper hung with one hand in there pocket.

And how many papers in the world show this type of death anyway, so insensitive to the families, regardless of how it happened.  Just another example of how insensitive they are to human life, and how to them it is meaningless.

I've often wondered about that.  Would they publish pictures of an elite person from the island that died in that manner?

I remember tabloid pictures of Diana in the car wreck.  Lots of shock over those, probably sold more magazines.

Would those shocking pictures in Aruba sell more papers?  Somehow, I don't think they do.  I think they tell a kind of 'first person' story to people that may not always be literate, but can get a grasp of what has happened (and the horror) through the pictures.

The US is blessed by an good educational system.  IIRC, Aruba does not provide a lot of   educational opportunities to illegal aliens, who may not be literate in their first language.
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Why the complaints from some about publishing the names of the suspects in the US media, and printing their pictures?

I will answer my own question.   

Those that are literate in the US and read newspapers, and watch news shows, probably spend money on vacations.
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« Reply #911 on: December 21, 2007, 10:15:50 PM »

I was just over at BFN and there is some talk there that a lawsuit was filed or was going to be filed to exclude any evidence that the search turned up.
I think there are some smart ( to say the least ) ppl in charge of the search and if they see anything on the scans, wouldn't they likely call someone from ?? ALE / LE  in to do the chain of command for evidence before they went down and retrieved it ?
And to dispel any other bloggy stupidness, wouldn't a person be able to tell if :
a.) It was just thrown down there last week to plant evidence ?
b.) Or it was there for quite some time ie 2005 ?




 


All of that mess about the lawsuit and planted evidence was started at RU
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TY... should have guessed that one. there is just so much reading to do, sometimes lately, I can't keep up.
Tylergal, I had a defective Elmo that recently went for a ride with the garbage men.
He would start to talk all by himself in the closet, scared the living cr&p outta me a few times.  " Hello, Wanna Play with Elmo" was taking on a frightening meaning here.
He was still too cute to fix with the hammer, so he went to live with the trash men. 
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« Reply #912 on: December 21, 2007, 10:18:49 PM »

I was just over at BFN and there is some talk there that a lawsuit was filed or was going to be filed to exclude any evidence that the search turned up.

I think there are some smart ( to say the least ) ppl in charge of the search and if they see anything on the scans, wouldn't they likely call someone from ?? ALE / LE  in to do the chain of command for evidence before they went down and retrieved it ?
 
And to dispel any other bloggy stupidness, wouldn't a person be able to tell if :
a.) It was just thrown down there last week to plant evidence ?
b.) Or it was there for quite some time ie 2005 ?


Kat ... as one of the Dutch interrogators conveyed to Beth ....

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Page 183 - The Dutch interrogators, who have tried as hard as the FBI to help us, come up to the room. They are trying to make heads or tails of this. "In Holland this would never have happened' one of them tells me. "The defense is running the show". They were as shocked as we were that the 3 will be released and said information was presented to the judge that showed ample reason to keep them in custody.
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« Reply #913 on: December 21, 2007, 10:24:05 PM »

Aruba is the only place in the world that I have seen,that shows people in the newspsper hung with one hand in there pocket.
That is why neither Kalpoe should ever again wearanything with a pocket.  Neutral
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« Reply #914 on: December 21, 2007, 10:25:45 PM »

I can't recall much at all about what Satish has said about Natalee. Except he put on a porn video when she was on the car,then he asked how she was doing when he woke up.

I noticed in the Mama Kalpoe Interview she said Deepak wasnt real pleased with Joran and Natalee in the back seat kissing. But Satish is more soft and understanding and it didn't bother him. Sure wish one of the interviewers researched a little. So they could ask Mama Kalpoe if putting on a porn dvd is what she meant by being soft and understanding. I guess by then Natalee was struggling to stay conscious in the backseat. If it was XTC or Cocaine she would have tried to get the hell out of that car and Satish would have never had the nerve to put that on in front of a alert young girl that he didn't know.

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« Reply #915 on: December 21, 2007, 10:27:24 PM »

Isn't it possible that Joran was dropped off at the beach alone, and proceded to walk home while on the cell phone?  Preparing a beach drop off story?

Perhaps he used the cell phone to keep himself company. 

... and the gardner's testimony regarding his observation of Joran, Deepak and ? sitting in Deepak's parked vehicle across the street from the beac in front of the Raquet Ball Club at 2:30 am on the morning when Natalee Holloway went missing?

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BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY: ... Deepak panicked. He panicked when the gardener gave that testimony. That very afternoon, he called an Aruban girl to help him establish an alibi. She, in turn, panicked. She called FBI. She dialed the 1-877-NATALEE number and told them that she did not want to be involved in this.
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« Reply #916 on: December 21, 2007, 10:29:16 PM »

Aruba is the only place in the world that I have seen,that shows people in the newspsper hung with one hand in there pocket.
That is why neither Kalpoe should ever again wearanything with a pocket.  Neutral

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« Reply #917 on: December 21, 2007, 10:30:17 PM »

WhiskeyGirl - IMO > Roly is a fake and has ZERO cell phone data.
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« Reply #918 on: December 21, 2007, 10:32:58 PM »

Nite Janet
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« Reply #919 on: December 21, 2007, 10:35:06 PM »

Afer about 8 minutes we hang up the phone. Deepak will pick me up right away, he was just chatting with a Surinam girl. After about 15 minutes I hear from afar Deepak`s car coming.
I tell Natalee: "The car is here, last chance to come. But she still didn`t want to come. I leave Natalee behind."

(Joran's book)


I'm behind, Kermit...couldn't see the CMB in your photo as others could....but this is very interesting and contrary to what was posted earlier...mmmmm...but then, it's earlier than 6am ish...right?

From the Natalee Holloway Forensic - http://member.telpacific.com.au/rolyroper/NataleeHolloway/page14.htm

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It needs to be clearly understood that the cell phone system stores information (by law in the US and Europe) that allows the position of a handset to be determined with a typical error of between 50 and 200 metres.

Where micro-cells are used for shadow fill in, such as around buildings like the Palm Beach high-rises, a typical circle of uncertainty is around 100 feet.

The is more than good enough to tell the difference between the front door of the HI and the Fisherman's Huts.

The mystery fishermen may not have seen Joran and Natalee, but the cell phone system could clearly see Joran's cellphone. It supports his story that he was at the Huts, but it also contradicts his story about being driven home (unless he was driven at walking speed).

Once the facts above are understood those who suggest scenarios that don't inculde Joran being at Palm Beach at 2:40am have the additional burden of showing why these three cell calls give a false picture of Joran's movements.


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These days I'm inclined to think that Natalee drowned while Joran was walking home, Deepak was on-line, and Satish was asleep - a simple, tragic, and commonplace misadventure.


I don't agree with all of his conclusions, but I believe Roly, at RU had seen cell phone data.

Where was Joran's phone when his eight minute called began? 

Where was he when it ended?





I was honed in on the Surinam girl, which now there are statements that Satish talked to later that AM....I am not questioning the 8 minute call....just that the details are intermingled, here.
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