Natalee Case Discussion #706 12/20 -

[Lala'sMom]

For Kermit...Merian Ernest spoke of Bill's Lodgings.  I think that means a place where you sleep.  It is a reference to one of the Kalpoe brothers. Thanks for thinking of me though. 

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:18 pm Post subject: GSM Orwellian
What is wrong? The brothers had to be separated. The Babylonians have layed it thick and
hard, but couldn't get what they asked for.

Tricked out cars and pc's. One decided to stay home and the other went to help. The
Babylonians knew he was a bifrons. He bleeped on the screen all the way to Bill's lodgings.

People do not lose faith in the Babylonians.

Merian Ernest Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:45 pm Post subject: The whisperer knows...
A new line has been set. The clock re-arranged. Ha! Antennas that talk about what they saw.
They know he went back, but what did he do?

The voulchers with their xenons don't even understand this.

Dutch bugs zooming by fast. So fast they don't make a sound.

The head Babylonian likes the old cowboy and tells him secrets so he can ride longer. Do
remember that the cowboys don't have badges. They should not trespass. Silent witnesses
can be thrown out of the courtroom.

[Lala'sMom]

Does anyone remember what Jug said last night concerning what his impression was of Eric Soemers?  TIA

I think he said Eric Soemers told him there was fluid (blood) in the headliner of Deepak's car.

Interview with Jug last night 2:50 in
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7h7j-yiS6yk

Aug 2, 2005 LT Rudy Soemers Interview
Thinks Natalee ran away and says Mr Soemers is in charge of the Investigation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SzUfdbGWps

Thanks.

[klaasend]

Just posted on the front page of SM by someone in Aruba:

CapslockWizard wrote:

All what these perps are saying is full of holes and lies.. I have a house in Aruba and I have spend a lot of time looking at the way they do things and I do not believe the following.

The theories: That her body was dump in the sea… cannnot be done because the radar of Warda Nos costa would have seen the Boat going out on their radar and that is a fact… I have friend from venezuela and they are always been seen by the Coast Patrol…

Theory: Leaving her on the Beach in High Season in Aruba is unlikely. This is because everyone going to that eara that they said they left her is to visible by many area including the Light House. to visivible no can doe with a dead body in your car.

Theory of dumping it in a caves… unlikely ..it would have been found already.

Theory of a dumping the body in an existing grave…most likely. The reaon for this is I wend to a funeral this week and I saw how easy it was to put someone in one of those Crypt (Kelder)Box and close it in 30 minutes.

It was so easy because the Kelder was already open and it consisted of 4 rooms for a coffins and they fit with just a little space and deep enough to hold the whole coffin. When I saw how it was done and see the easy it was to close I was started to see that it is possible to open one of these boxes and put a body inside and closed it in 30 min tops.

Here is My theory.

Party till 2 am get drunk.. from 2 to 4 am someting went wrong and from 4 to 5am hide the body . 6 am call friends to see how things are and start twisting the story till today

If the Investigators cannot find Nathalie is because they are searching and looking in the wrong places.
If you ask yourself this question: “Where would I hide a body so that nobody will find it?”
The answers are a lot of places can be used, but for a logic thinker there is only one answer.
And form all the articles that I have read, nobody have suggested and even mention this place.
Lets test the Logic:
In Aruba in when someone dies, they can be put to rest in two forms.
1. In the grounds
2. In a Kelder with 4 or 6 rooms constructed out of brick and mortar above ground in public eye site in the cemetary. These Kelders belong to a Family and they buy these plots form the church in the cemetery and build the Kelders on it and leave it open for when the moment arrived you have a place to rest.
Both types of method funerals will take place only in a CEMETARY.
There are a lot of CEMETARY in Aruba and most of them have KELDERS and a lot are left OPEN for when he or she dies will be buried close in the Family plot.
My logic:
The reason that no one can find her is that she must be among all the dead in the cemetery and who is going to search a cemetery for a body where there is already a lot of body in the place.
Logic test: You will never find an open grave in the ground because when someone dies in Aruba and need to be buried in the ground, the Funeral home in charge of the body will give orders to dig a grave for this person in a district in accordance with the family wishes.
To dig a grave 6 feet deep and wide enough for a body will take a lot of time by hand. Beside the ground will look disturb by the cemetery keeper. So I believe that these 4 perps would not have the time to dig a grave.
But
If you have a dead body on your hand and you need to hide it fast, the only way is to put it in an open Kelder and with only five to 6 bricks and and a bucket of cement and you are done. And if you want to make it look professional, can even give it a coat of paint color white which is the mostly use.
This last process is very easy done with 3 or 4 person.
a. Move dead body to a cemetery,
b. Cemetry door closed, then jump the fence with the body.
c. Inside the cemetery fined an open Kelder or break one open.
d. Put body in it
e. Go and get 6 pieces of bricks or use bricks that are in the cemetery already.
f. Make cement in a bucket
g. Use the bricks to close the small walls of the Kelder.
h. Paint the wall
And you are done.
Now nobody can’t find her because we are looking outside the box, we have been looking too much outside the realm of logic. The Logic is, nobody is going to look in a cemetery and if you are going to search a cemetery, it will be difficult to search without disturbing the graves. And another drawback is that you need permission of the families to open all the Kelders.
And this is my theory on this case and my logic thinking. my own CSI theory

[Kat_Gram]

I still get emails ( in Dutch ) from the Jensen show. I joined their blog about a year ago. As Von Kitty Kat. It was quite an experience even joining. LOL Because, I don't speak Dutch and had no idea of what the buttons were instructing me to do, but I did post the little vid of Beth ( as a penguin ) dunking Joran ( another penguin ) into the ice cold freezing water.

[Dayhiker]

Oh Oh, Busted.
On Topic :Where do you think this thing is going to go ?
If there is no result from the search, I believe it will go no where.
IMO, the only chance was to arrest the Kalpoes and charge lesser charges, give them some options like the Crown Witness option and watch the fireworks.
 

They blew their chance to use Crown Witness status when the defense lawyers rolled the prosecutor with the judges in their back pocket. Or was Janssen in on it? Dutch law is anything they want it to be in Aruba, Mos found that out. All that BS that Arlene and the internet shitheads were telling us about Dutch law was hogwash to cover the fact that there ain't none, never was one, and never will be. Welcome to the real world Hans.

[Dayhiker]

Just posted on the front page of SM by someone in Aruba:

CapslockWizard wrote:

All what these perps are saying is full of holes and lies.. I have a house in Aruba and I have spend a lot of time looking at the way they do things and I do not believe the following.

snipped

That's two experts tonight telling us she isn't in the water. She must be in the water.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Just posted on the front page of SM by someone in Aruba:

CapslockWizard wrote:

All what these perps are saying is full of holes and lies.. I have a house in Aruba and I have spend a lot of time looking at the way they do things and I do not believe the following.

snipped

That's two experts tonight telling us she isn't in the water. She must be in the water.

  And I was thinking about the screen name....trying to figure out wth cap locks had to do with the theory and the posts...

[Magnolia]

What's going to happen if they find her in the water?

[klaasend]

I still get emails ( in Dutch ) from the Jensen show. I joined their blog about a year ago. As Von Kitty Kat. It was quite an experience even joining. LOL Because, I don't speak Dutch and had no idea of what the buttons were instructing me to do, but I did post the little vid of Beth ( as a penguin ) dunking Joran ( another penguin ) into the ice cold freezing water.

 

[klaasend]

What's going to happen if they find her in the water?

I believe Tim said they would notify ALE.  Sounds like they have a news crew on board and I wouldn't be surprised if KLPD/FBI or ALE weren't also on board.

[Kat_Gram]

One thing about Mos, he has made the most damning statements that ever came form that office he represents. The rest of them, just spineless cowards, more interested in something other than their job. I still remember some skank from Aruba, I think she was Therese Fernada Hernadez Rosanna Dana who said, we don't even know IF a crime was committed. Her son was sentenced to time in Holland for smuggling a large quantity of cocaine into Holland. She has " retired ".     

[Magnolia]

Therese Fernada Hernadez Rosanna Dana 

[Observer]

What's going to happen if they find her in the water?

I don't know the correct procedure. But my guess would be they alert the dutch/aruban Investigators and they let them board the ship. They film and document everything then hand the evidence over so it can be identified and they can prosecute.

If their is no direct physical evidence that links to the killers,I would imagine a head injury would be all they need to get a conviction.

[Magnolia]

What's going to happen if they find her in the water?

I don't know the correct procedure. But my guess would be they alert the dutch/aruban Investigators and they let them board the ship. They film and document everything then hand the evidence over so it can be identified and they can prosecute.

If their is no direct physical evidence that links to the killers,I would imagine a head injury would do just fine for a conviction.

Do you think that Mos will try to prosecute again?

[Magnolia]

I don't think she is in the crab trap....I think she is in
one of  those damn blue barrels that you see all over
the island.  If so, I think she would be more intact.

[dennisintn]

Aruba is the only place in the world that I have seen,that shows people in the newspsper hung with one hand in there pocket.

And how many papers in the world show this type of death anyway, so insensitive to the families, regardless of how it happened.  Just another example of how insensitive they are to human life, and how to them it is meaningless.

did you see the pic in one of their papers of the naked corpse of a woman who had just been thrown onto a pile of trash? 
dennisintn

[greeneyedlady]

HELP

OT, big time.  But I sneaked out and bought a Roomba today.  DH has gone out to play cards but will be back soon.  I plugged it in and it's talking.  What do I do with it?

Tell it to shut up and start cleaning 

Anna - check here:

http://tinyurl.com/23ebp6
 

Thanks, Klaas.  I can't even find the frigging serial number on it.  I need a person who can read fine print.  I have got to hide this thing before DH gets home.  He did not want me to buy it.  I guess I need to put it outside in the shop in case it starts talking again.

put a santa hat on it and tell your husband its an ELF 

LOL..trying to catch up, but couldn't pass this up without saying thanks for the laugh...too funny!

[Observer]

What's going to happen if they find her in the water?

I don't know the correct procedure. But my guess would be they alert the dutch/aruban Investigators and they let them board the ship. They film and document everything then hand the evidence over so it can be identified and they can prosecute.

If their is no direct physical evidence that links to the killers,I would imagine a head injury would do just fine for a conviction.

Do you think that Mos will try to prosecute again?

He would have to if Natalee was found with any evidence or a head injury. Even if they found her and no evidence then any honest prosecution in the world would take it to trial but this Aruba we are talking about. If she is never found,then my opinion is this will never go to trial unless they break up this obvious cover up and protection of those involved.

I think Rudy Croes is anxious to retire and wants everything closed asap. Since they made the announcement of releasing them as suspects/cold case the first day of the search,it would not suprise me if they close down everything if the search is not successful.MO

[Observer]

Aruba is the only place in the world that I have seen,that shows people in the newspsper hung with one hand in there pocket.

And how many papers in the world show this type of death anyway, so insensitive to the families, regardless of how it happened.  Just another example of how insensitive they are to human life, and how to them it is meaningless.

did you see the pic in one of their papers of the naked corpse of a woman who had just been thrown onto a pile of trash? 
dennisintn

Yes,its at Hotshots site http://arubassilence.bravehost.com/

I think some of the auto accident photo's they showed this year are the most gruesome I have seen in their newspapers. Although the pic you are talking about definetly is the worst.

[sirensong]

A woman I believe to be named Yolando Wever (last name for sure) owns a mortuary in Aruba.  She wrote a letter once, oddly enough, declaring that she does not have crematory capabilities.  And yet there is a company out of Florida that manufactures this equipment that claims to have installed one at her facility in Aruba, even lists it as one of their customers.  It is named Matthews Crematory Equipment or something close from memory.

This is what I was saying earlier, not anything like Alex Matthews owning a mortuary in Aruba.

Rob called the manufacturer and was told that there was in fact one on the island and some RU poster claimed it was for pets or some such nonsense so basically this one just went to Aruba and disappeared.



Off to watch House.

Haven't finished catching up, but I noticed this mortuary has not listed any deaths for 2007.  I find that odd.  And I could have sworn at one time, it did have something mentioned about a crematorium.