Natalee Case Discussion #706 12/20 -

[NYC_lover]

Pretty disgusting. Just a few hours after Joran said they left Natalee at the beach one of them writes in a email she is dead. How is this not incriminating evidence?

Add that to the fact that they tried to destroy the hardrive so you could access the email on it. Still its not a crime.

Yes,they did..I think they had new technology to recover what was originally destroyed in that HD. Tons and Tons of circumstantial evidence and witnesses but they still claim caveman law that they can't prosecute without a body. If they do find Natalee's body then they will claim it has nothing to do with their clients. That will be hard to do when they find her skull fractured and they look at all the early PV'S about JK2 saying she fell and hit her head and PVDS telling two people she hit her head and drowned.

Holland is no better than Aruba when it comes to an investigation. They have no concept of putting together a case.

Dayhiker - I like your words so much. I want give your a BIG hug! Why also not now a boycott for the flag, Red White Blue?
I want dance on this music with a good champagne glass in my hand, when there comes a Dutch boycott.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9YHg07NLLc

[klaasend]

Posted by Lazlo at RU:

Lazlo Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:02 pm   
OM had 2 new witnesses (acc to the Dutch media/ANP)

Two new witness statements were the reason for the OM to re-arrest the 3 suspects in the Holloway case.

One female witness told investigators that she got a phonecall from one of the witnesses in the night that Natalee disappeared an heared by his voice something was wrong, according to the OM on Aruba.

The new witness said that in less then 6 hours after Holloway was last seen alive she got a phonecall from one of the ex-suspects. She noticed something was wrong she told the investigation team.

When she asked what was wrong he answered that he did not want to bring her into trouble, "what has happened I cannot tell over the phone".

An old chat session was traced in which one of the suspects wrote Natalee no longer was alive.

There also was a statement from someone who described the behavior of one of the 3 suspects on the day after Natalee had disappeared.
That also resulted in indirect evidence.

Mos insist the case is not closed and every new lead will be investigated.

Source ANP and Volkskrant link/Trouw link 
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article489149.ece/OM_Aruba_had_twee_nieuwe_getuigen_Holloway-zaak
http://www.trouw.nl/laatstenieuws/laatstenieuws/article874861.ece/OM_Verdachte_zei_dat_Holloway_dood_is

From Joran's June 14, 2005 statement:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=184.0

(snipped)

On May 30th 2005, at approximately 03.45 am I went to sleep. At approximately 06.30, I woke up. Between 03.45 am and 06.30 am I talked to no-one on my mobile phone. At approximately 06.45 am I got on the bus. Between 06.30 am and 06.45 am I did not talk to anyone on my mobile phone. At approximately 08.00 am, I arrived at school on the bus. I had slept the entire time the bus took to get to school. During the ride to school I don't think I called anyone with my mobile phone. I do think that I had received a message from "Flor". I did not loan my phone out to anyone to make a phone call. I am sure of that. My school starts at 08.00 am and ends at 14.45 pm. During the hours between 08.00 am and 14.45 pm I do not think I called anybody. If I sent someone messages between 08.00 am and 14.45 pm than it could only have been to "Elaine" or "Flor" and nobody else.

(snipped)

METZ, Florencia   – one of Joran’s ex-girlfriends, from Argentina, lives behind Codemsa, graduated from the Mavo, nicknamed “Flo.”  Joran invited her to go to Carlos N Charlies that night of May 29, 2005.  Interviewed by ALE on 6-15-05 & 6-16-05.





JAGO, Elaine Sint   – one of Joran’s ex-girlfriends, Aruban 17 years old, attends Collegio Arubano. Nicknamed “Fishy.”  Interviewed by ALE on 7-1-05.

[NYC_lover]

Mos has never said there was any evidence of any corpse disposal by any other than Kalpoes.  Since Joran was supposedly at the casino, and later turns out he phones Deepak to come and get him there, it would seem that Deepak's car was at the Sloot compound when Beth landed, then left before she arrived with CCroes and the others.

Why was Deepak there without Joran? 

Good question, probably was Deepak there for anything to discussed with PVDS.

[Red]

Posted by Lazlo at RU:

Lazlo Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 4:02 pm   
OM had 2 new witnesses (acc to the Dutch media/ANP)

Two new witness statements were the reason for the OM to re-arrest the 3 suspects in the Holloway case.

One female witness told investigators that she got a phonecall from one of the witnesses in the night that Natalee disappeared an heared by his voice something was wrong, according to the OM on Aruba.

The new witness said that in less then 6 hours after Holloway was last seen alive she got a phonecall from one of the ex-suspects. She noticed something was wrong she told the investigation team.

When she asked what was wrong he answered that he did not want to bring her into trouble, "what has happened I cannot tell over the phone".
An old chat session was traced in which one of the suspects wrote Natalee no longer was alive.

There also was a statement from someone who described the behavior of one of the 3 suspects on the day after Natalee had disappeared.
That also resulted in indirect evidence.

Mos insist the case is not closed and every new lead will be investigated.

Source ANP and Volkskrant link/Trouw link 
http://www.volkskrant.nl/binnenland/article489149.ece/OM_Aruba_had_twee_nieuwe_getuigen_Holloway-zaak
http://www.trouw.nl/laatstenieuws/laatstenieuws/article874861.ece/OM_Verdachte_zei_dat_Holloway_dood_is

I would think this has to be Flor since Joran made a call to her early the next morning (six hours from 1:20).  Joran claims he made that call while on the bus to school.

EXACTLY

A corroborating witness to an event that was referenced in a statement regarding the death of Natalee.

Some how in the anti-world this means nothing.

BTW Aruba ... if a Divi Divi tree falls in the woods and there is no one there to see it, does it make a sound?

[Blue Moon]

I am not a Mos fan at the moment but I do believe by putting this information out in the open for all to hear was a wise move on his part.  Aruba has to know the truth and stop burying their heads in the sand.  Without the outcries from the people of that island this is going no way fast.  How hard is it to get these people to stand up for their country. I just a having a real hard time with people with dysfunctional.  He made it known that Natalee is dead and one of the three discussed it.  Now they cannot say she ran away and if they find her body that verifies what they said in conversations with each other. God this is just awful.  WHY CAN'T SOMEONE DOE THE RIGHT THING HERE. Cowards all of them.  Mother Sloot---are you proud of your delicious sporter?

[wizard]

Pretty disgusting. Just a few hours after Joran said they left Natalee at the beach one of them writes in a email she is dead. How is this not incriminating evidence?

With respect, I find it hard to believe they discussed crime in e-mails. They don't appear to be mental giants but surely they must know better than that. Writing e-mails is like shouting out a window at the top of your voice.

[robots]

I am not a Mos fan at the moment but I do believe by putting this information out in the open for all to hear was a wise move on his part.  Aruba has to know the truth and stop burying their heads in the sand.  Without the outcries from the people of that island this is going no way fast.  How hard is it to get these people to stand up for their country. I just a having a real hard time with people with dysfunctional.  He made it known that Natalee is dead and one of the three discussed it.  Now they cannot say she ran away and if they find her body that verifies what they said in conversations with each other. God this is just awful.  WHY CAN'T SOMEONE DOE THE RIGHT THING HERE. Cowards all of them.  Mother Sloot---are you proud of your delicious sporter?

mother sloot is BAD

[NYC_lover]

From Joran's June 14, 2005 statement:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=184.0

(snipped)

On May 30th 2005, at approximately 03.45 am I went to sleep. At approximately 06.30, I woke up. Between 03.45 am and 06.30 am I talked to no-one on my mobile phone. At approximately 06.45 am I got on the bus. Between 06.30 am and 06.45 am I did not talk to anyone on my mobile phone. At approximately 08.00 am, I arrived at school on the bus. I had slept the entire time the bus took to get to school. During the ride to school I don't think I called anyone with my mobile phone. I do think that I had received a message from "Flor". I did not loan my phone out to anyone to make a phone call. I am sure of that. My school starts at 08.00 am and ends at 14.45 pm. During the hours between 08.00 am and 14.45 pm I do not think I called anybody. If I sent someone messages between 08.00 am and 14.45 pm than it could only have been to "Elaine" or "Flor" and nobody else.

(snipped)

This statement can good be about the sleeptime and woke up, but do we all know, was Joran going to school May 30, 2005?

[the big hammer]

Dead ... within hours of her disappearance

And sloot in ISA school on 5/30/05 acing tests...and also, according headmaster saying that Natalee hit her head and "drowned."  In other words, Natalee Holloway was DEAD.

Yes.  She was dead within hours of leaving C&C.  Almost certainly by the time the porn movies were downloaded on sloot computer -- at 3:30 am on May 30, 2005.

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[robots]

Pretty disgusting. Just a few hours after Joran said they left Natalee at the beach one of them writes in a email she is dead. How is this not incriminating evidence?

With respect, I find it hard to believe they discussed crime in e-mails. They don't appear to be mental giants but surely they must know better than that. Writing e-mails is like shouting out a window at the top of your voice.

they are not that smart - it would appear

isnt one of them in 10th grade and is 27

[Tylergal]

http://Http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=95.0     (PARTIAL see link for transcript in whole?
      
Deepak: You think that the girl has nothing on, you will see who fxxxed who (this sentence was not good to understand) [note of the police officer]
Joran: We will see. Hey, you know when I will laugh, if I've given you a slap in the face. I'll laugh when they find the girl alive, fxxx you. Joran: I know very well that you are afraid. That is if you two have done something bad with that girl. En if they find the girl, then we shall see
Satish: I'm not afraid. Why must I be afraid?
Deepak: I want them to find the girl. You are going to tell shit about me that I have buried the girl at fishermans hut
Joran: Who has said about burying? I didn't say anything about burying.
Deepak: That's what you have stated. Stop with that bullshit.
Joran: I have said nothing about burying. The only thing what I can think of, is that you know people that it is the people of automotive enterprises.
Satish: Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah,yeah,yeah, then I had a flat tire, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah... I picked you up, right. And then I went back to the beach for her.
Joran: Who has said that?
Satish: You said that.
Joran: I have never said that friend. I have never said that you went back, friend.
Joran: That's your problem. If they find that girl, then they will see that shit.
Deepak: Eight more days and then I'm going home, I guarantee you that for a 1000 per cent.
Joran: We will see.
Deepak: (to Joran) You don't give a shit about your, the members of your own family.
Joran: The only thing that I can think of is my family. I do what my family tells me to do. Right, +++++.
Deepak: Your own father, unbelievable.
Joran: What my father, it is your fault that he is arrested. I didn't declare anything against my father, you two declared against my father
Satish: We didn't declare anything.
Joran: Or course, you did.
Satish: What did I tell against your father?
Joran: You are telling that he declared, that if there is no body [lijk = dead body], there is no case or I don't what. All shit. That is totally not true, the only thing is that he said is, if there is no body [lichaam = body], then there isn't a case.
Deepak: Yes, that's true.
Joran: That's not true.
Deepak: I also said in my statement, that it wasn't meant like that.
Joran: Didn't read it in your statement. They use that now against my father.
Deepak: We suffered a lot because of you.
Joran: That's the price that you let my father pay. That you let him suffer like that. Fxxx you. If you let me suffer, I say ok. It doesn't matter to me. I can just sit here for 160 days. It doesn't make a fxxxing difference to me. I'm sitting good here.
Brothers: Me too. Me too.

Please someone send this to the blonds at MSNBC.

[robots]

Dead ... within hours of her disappearance

And sloot in ISA school on 5/30/05 acing tests...and also, according headmaster saying that Natalee hit her head and "drowned."  In other words, Natalee Holloway was DEAD.

Yes.  She was dead within hours of leaving C&C.  Almost certainly by the time the porn movies were downloaded on sloot computer -- at 3:30 am on May 30, 2005.

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sickening
mos knows it and mos is so gutless as well as all of them so far that are involved in this case

[Blue Moon]

Pretty disgusting. Just a few hours after Joran said they left Natalee at the beach one of them writes in a email she is dead. How is this not incriminating evidence?

With respect, I find it hard to believe they discussed crime in e-mails. They don't appear to be mental giants but surely they must know better than that. Writing e-mails is like shouting out a window at the top of your voice.

they are not that smart - it would appear

isnt one of them in 10th grade and is 27

Joran or Deepak talked before Papa Sloot got hold of them and informed them to keep quiet- no body no case.

[Tylergal]

Pretty disgusting. Just a few hours after Joran said they left Natalee at the beach one of them writes in a email she is dead. How is this not incriminating evidence?

With respect, I find it hard to believe they discussed crime in e-mails. They don't appear to be mental giants but surely they must know better than that. Writing e-mails is like shouting out a window at the top of your voice.

But, Wizard, don't you have a hard time with Mountain Brook, at least?

[Observer]

Pretty disgusting. Just a few hours after Joran said they left Natalee at the beach one of them writes in a email she is dead. How is this not incriminating evidence?

With respect, I find it hard to believe they discussed crime in e-mails. They don't appear to be mental giants but surely they must know better than that. Writing e-mails is like shouting out a window at the top of your voice.

Well apparently they did or text message. The NFI may have new technology to retrieve that info from the HD that they destroyed in 2005 or a witness came forward. Remember this was before the famous meeting around the Van Der Sloots pool. Where PVDS warned them to not communicate on their phones or computers.

[robots]

PAULUS is the one that picked joran up

joran tried screwing the k2 brothers from the get go

[robots]

PAULUS is the one that picked joran up

joran is such a stupid dumbass and he is one of these people that thinks he can outsmart others. he probably thinks he is awesome for tricking Greta

greta is loser - so is joran

[Red]

Dead ... within hours of her disappearance

And sloot in ISA school on 5/30/05 acing tests...and also, according headmaster saying that Natalee hit her head and "drowned."  In other words, Natalee Holloway was DEAD.

Yes.  She was dead within hours of leaving C&C.  Almost certainly by the time the porn movies were downloaded on sloot computer -- at 3:30 am on May 30, 2005.

.

Hey Hammer ...

Think that is the tell tale sign of a sociopath?

Mr. Webster may have to add a picture to his definition.

[Blue Moon]

Pretty disgusting. Just a few hours after Joran said they left Natalee at the beach one of them writes in a email she is dead. How is this not incriminating evidence?

With respect, I find it hard to believe they discussed crime in e-mails. They don't appear to be mental giants but surely they must know better than that. Writing e-mails is like shouting out a window at the top of your voice.

Well apparently they did or text message. The NFI has new technology to retrieve that info from the HD that they destroyed in 2005 or a witness came forward. Remember this was before the famous meeting around the Van Der Sloots pool. Where PVDS warned them to not communicate on their phones or computers.

"Must know better than that", remember Jacobs (or could have been VD Straten" told Joran he would see to it he didn't go to jail, he would see to it he was in a mental facility in the Neterlands instead.  Tells me he and many people knew what a loaded pistol this Son of a Ditch was.

[wizard]

Pretty disgusting. Just a few hours after Joran said they left Natalee at the beach one of them writes in a email she is dead. How is this not incriminating evidence?

With respect, I find it hard to believe they discussed crime in e-mails. They don't appear to be mental giants but surely they must know better than that. Writing e-mails is like shouting out a window at the top of your voice.

But, Wizard, don't you have a hard time with Mountain Brook, at least?

How so?