Natalee Case Discussion #706 12/20 -

[robots]

i think we need to see more of things like this
"i confessed and the let me un-confess"

im a pig

[Dayhiker]

Holland is no better than Aruba when it comes to an investigation. They have no concept of putting together a case.

Dayhiker - I like your words so much. I want give your a BIG hug! Why also not now a boycott for the flag, Red White Blue?
I want dance on this music with a good champagne glass in my hand, when there comes a Dutch boycott.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9YHg07NLLc

You are too kind NYC, thanks! We appreciate your help here very much.

Think about this. Hans Mos comes to town and announces that he has evidence that Natalee is deceased and that the three suspects are guilty of voluntary manslaughter.

To prove this he presents the court with 14-15 pages of what? How do you make a case of charges so serious in a document that short?

The answer? Hans Mos was not serious about prosecuting the case. This was all a show, the investigators coming over from Holland to search, the Prosecutor coming in with nothing. All show, no substance.

IMO Holland just wanted to say "Well, we did what we could." and get the hell out.

[Anna]

No fan of Mos at the moment either BUT he has taken this from maybe she ran away to she is for sure dead and the suspects at the very least know it.

It was Cowgirl Janssen who screwed things up so badly.  Mos did buck the system with these last arrests and did not say Mother May I to Rudy Croes.

Mos said there was enough new evidence and a judge in the Netherlands said enough, it's only when it hits Aruban shores that there can never be enough no matter what.

And if what has been reported is true, This is what we do to American girls only this one died, then this should be flaming headlines.

Do we have verification that this is what was said in the email?

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[robots]

No fan of Mos at the moment either BUT he has taken this from maybe she ran away to she is for sure dead and the suspects at the very least know it.

It was Cowgirl Janssen who screwed things up so badly.  Mos did buck the system with these last arrests and did not say Mother May I to Rudy Croes.

Mos said there was enough new evidence and a judge in the Netherlands said enough, it's only when it hits Aruban shores that there can never be enough no matter what.

And if what has been reported is true, This is what we do to American girls only this one died, then this should be flaming headlines.

Do we have verification that this is what was said in the email?

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exactly how i see it.

mos did something

but not enough - not nearly enough

im disppointed in him but im glad for what little he did do

he still sucks

[Nut44x4]

HannieC Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:20 pm    RU

Dugo,

Is there something they can do about Mos stating this bullshit while the case is closed? 
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These people really do not get it, do they.

[robots]

HannieC Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:20 pm    RU

Dugo,

Is there something they can do about Mos stating this bullshit while the case is closed? 
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These people really do not get it, do they.

they dont get it
most of them never will

they are evil

[Tylergal]

Pretty disgusting. Just a few hours after Joran said they left Natalee at the beach one of them writes in a email she is dead. How is this not incriminating evidence?

Mos has rested everything on the fact that there is no body and thus in fact there can be no crime (hmm ... where have we heard those words before?) Now we hear that one of the suspects say that she was dead. The fact that they need an actual body shows just what a Neanderthal country and legal system they have.

"Unless he finds a body in the bathroom of one of these kids, there's no way in hell they can arrest them anymore." Wix said.

I do not need to see JVDS's lips moving to know he is talking and thus lying.

These people know damn well that Natalee is dead and who did it. Simple deductive reasoning and putting 1 and 1 together is impossible to do in the anti-world. In Aruba it would appear that 1+1 = 5

Interesting.....wasn't there a video out there early on with a girl covered in blood in a bathtub and some people referring to her as Natalee?  So is this guy mocking the entire situation?

Yes...they know she is dead.  And they know who is responsible.  Van Der Straten said he knew that back in June 2005.  He said he knew the 'facts of the case' and the reporter he was talking to didn't.  Why hasn't Van Der Straten been brought back into this to answer for his 'mistakes'?

I never saw this, but have read about it many times. I know it supposedly came from Val and I think it was his My Space.  That is why I was really surprised that he had never been questioned until November of this year. And to verify if he was even on Aruba that night. ALE knows. And yes I believe they are making a mockery of the entire situation.

Yes, it was on one of those sites, "my space" or "facebook," from Val and there were 2 oriental looking girls standing over the girl in the blood-filled tub saying "NATALEEH."

[Anna]

No fan of Mos at the moment either BUT he has taken this from maybe she ran away to she is for sure dead and the suspects at the very least know it.

It was Cowgirl Janssen who screwed things up so badly.  Mos did buck the system with these last arrests and did not say Mother May I to Rudy Croes.

Mos said there was enough new evidence and a judge in the Netherlands said enough, it's only when it hits Aruban shores that there can never be enough no matter what.

And if what has been reported is true, This is what we do to American girls only this one died, then this should be flaming headlines.

Do we have verification that this is what was said in the email?

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exactly how i see it.

mos did something

but not enough - not nearly enough

im disappointed in him but im glad for what little he did do

he still sucks

Yeah, he sucks but not nearly as bad as this judge who never met a Sloot he didn't turn loose.

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Had Mos been on the case from the beginning, I have no doubt he would have succeeded in the collection of sufficient evidence. 

But I highly doubt that he would have been allowed to go forward with it in any event.  That was just not what the Arubans had in mind.  Rudy must have promised Paulus that no one would ever prosecute his son for this.

And I never doubted for one moment that Joran would go straight home and check soccer scores and download porn.  He wasn't bothered by what happened to Natalee at all.  He thinks it wasn't his fault as his parents have taught him to think that way.

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[Observer]

No fan of Mos at the moment either BUT he has taken this from maybe she ran away to she is for sure dead and the suspects at the very least know it.

It was Cowgirl Janssen who screwed things up so badly.  Mos did buck the system with these last arrests and did not say Mother May I to Rudy Croes.

Mos said there was enough new evidence and a judge in the Netherlands said enough, it's only when it hits Aruban shores that there can never be enough no matter what.

And if what has been reported is true, This is what we do to American girls only this one died, then this should be flaming headlines.

Do we have verification that this is what was said in the email?

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Yes I don't think that will be to good for Aruban Tourism    Especially since they are still free. As far as Rudy Croes goes,it shows who is really controlling this Investigation and always has.

[wreck]

Either Mos is letting us know how absurd "closing" the case is by putting up this front and revealing the "evidence"  --- or really IS this inept/corrupt.

I choose the latter. He has shown absolutely NO passion about the judge's decision or the fact the case is shut down. If he is seriously in a fight with Croes -- he sure doesn't act like it.

[Buckeye]

In Joran's book, he talks of texting Flor "something sweet" that night.  His PV statements don't say that.

[Anna]

Does anyone remember where the contents of the email or text message were supposedly posted?  I would like to read that again and try to determine if this is fact or conjecture.

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[robots]

Either Mos is letting us know how absurd "closing" the case is by putting up this front and revealing the "evidence"  --- or really IS this inept/corrupt.

I choose the latter. He has shown absolutely NO passion about the judge's decision or the fact the case is shut down. If he is seriously in a fight with Croes -- he sure doesn't act like it.

i know what you mean

if Mos, comes out and says something really interesting (which he might)
like "they killed her, we all know it and the judges suck"

then i will retract my Mos sucks slogan

[Anna]

I would imagine Croes is in a position to make life very difficult for Mos, maybe even have him fired.  Mos has 2-3 months vacation a year and a pension at stake.

From Croes saying these last arrests would never have taken place had he known about them in advance, evidently he is in a position to prevent Mos from doing anything in any event should he chose to do so.

No amount of dramatics will change that.  Mos will lose either way.

IMO

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[Buckeye]

Page 17 and 18 of Joran's book:

At 2.46am Joran receives a text message from Deepaks computer in which he asks him to misscall him (call, let the phone ring once and hang up again) when he gets home.

They drive home and when they get there Satish says not to worry, he will go and pick up his shoes. He asks Joran where he left them, Joran explains this, gets out and Satish drives off.

Joran goes to his apartment. He text messages Flor at 3.11 something sweet and messages Deepak at 3.13 saying that he is home and whether he is online.

Joran switches on his computer and goes online. Then comes the already known chat between the Deepak and Joran.

[klaasend]

Posted by Glenda/Renfro at RU:

Mos said that one of the suspects was describing what they do when they meet American Girls and how NH ended up dead.

I remember Steve Croes saying that the rule on the beach is that after you've gone out with an American Girl, you always make sure that she makes it back to her hotel. Always make sure that someone sees you bring her back.

[Buckeye]

Posted by Glenda/Renfro at RU:

I bet the next page is better.  Wonder why she didn't post the whole letter.

[Anna]

This is what we do to American girls. . .only this one died.

That is the most important thing we heard today and now I can't find it.  Does anyone know which article it was in?

Now this is totally contrary to the Aruban party line and yet Mos has revealed it.  They can't be very pleased with this.  AHATA is not going to like this one bit.

But we need to find that and make that the focal point of what happened today because it is very important.  Note that phrase "American girls" with care because this might be the basis for some further legal action.  It sounds like a denial of civil rights to me.

Can we not at the least get a travel warning with these kinds of things being said but those granted free feet in Aruba?  The State Dept needs to be informed of this  big time.

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[Anna]

Buckeye,

Note that nasty hair across the top!  That woman is just plain disgusting.

[Tylergal]

I would imagine Croes is in a position to make life very difficult for Mos, maybe even have him fired.  Mos has 2-3 months vacation a year and a pension at stake.

From Croes saying these last arrests would never have taken place had he known about them in advance, evidently he is in a position to prevent Mos from doing anything in any event should he chose to do so.

No amount of dramatics will change that.  Mos will lose either way.

IMO

Joe Tacopino trying to spin and John is asking the hard questions which Taco is evading.  I bet his scrotal area looks greasy like his head because he has to keep his head up his ass to survive.

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