Natalee Case Discussion #706 12/20 -

[klaasend]

[robots]

the cops knew what happened because the witnessed the CONFESSION from JORAN

[CBB]

Whoever is pulling the strings in Aruba is orchestrating this whole thing. It's all timing.

[Magnolia]

Jug said that the cops kept asking me if Natalee was epileptic....

She must have had a seizure from the drugs they gave her or a head injury and the suspects saw that.

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Head Injury imo

[San]

Jug said that the cops kept asking me if Natalee was epileptic....

She must have had a seizure from the drugs they gave her or a head injury and the suspects saw that.
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All these little tid bids prove to me that she was alive at the Sloots.  Paulus Van der Sloot let Natalee die.  This would make him the murderer.

[klaasend]

Great show DANA!  Thanks JUG!

[Dayhiker]

Great Interview with Jug, Dana!

[CBB]

Jug says that he never posts, but that he knows us and reads every post, and that's how Beth keeps up with things! GREAT JOB DANA! THANK YOU JUG!!!

[San]

Whoever is pulling the strings in Aruba is orchestrating this whole thing. It's all timing.

Rudy Croes.

[AnnieMW1]

Jug, you said you read here.  I just want you to know that from the beginning and until now, I think you're amazing.  You've seen through all the crap...and called a spade a spade.  Thanks for coming on to talk.

[wreck]

I'm glad you read here,  Jug!!! I guess we don't need to tell you we are here do anything you ask from us!!!

[Tamikosmom]

When BOR made that statement about the drugs and alcohol
on the show with Geraldo, he said that he was quoting a
 government official in Aruba.
I remember him saying that.

I tend to think that the FBI were just relating the theory which Gerold Dompig put forth on 48 Hours Mystery ... the theory that implies that Natalee was responsible for her own demise and ... Joran, Deepak and Satish acted alone in the disposal of her remains.  Paulus van der Sloot and the sons of the elite do not enter into the theory.

Janet

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Bill O'Reilly
The O'Reilly Factor
July 20, 2007

BILL O'REILLY, HOST: In the "Thursdays with Geraldo" segment tonight, "The Factor" has learned from sources we have to protect that Natalee Holloway, the 18-year-old Alabama woman who disappeared two years ago in Aruba, died from cardiac arrest brought on by an overdose of cocaine.

According to top law enforcement officials, Natalee ingested the cocaine with Jordan van der Sloot and one of the Kalpoe brothers. Her body was then disposed in the ocean.

And I've got to give a viewer advisory here that this is information that "The Factor" has not been able to confirm independently because there is no body. But law enforcement officials believe that exactly what I said, that Natalee took a massive overdose of cocaine and when she died these boys disposed of her body.


Beth Twitty
O'REILLY FACTOR
October 5, 2007

O'REILLY:  The FBI was present during the interrogations by Aruban authorities of those men and The Factor has learned what those agents believe happened to Natalee.  American Agents.

The Feds say she died from a drug/alcohol overdose and someone or people ditched her body in the ocean. Thus, when the suspects denied killing her the could claim they weren't lying.

Joining us now from Atlanta is Natalee's mother, Beth Holloway who has waged a heroic fight for the truth about her daughter. Mrs. Holloway has writtena brand new book called "Loving Natalle: A Mother's Testament of Hope and Faith"

I can't really say much more than what I just said is absolutely true.  It's what the FBI believes happened to your daughter. How do you react to it?

TWITTY:  Well Bill, I think we've always been concerned that drugs were involved in this, of course because the suspects, when they were giving the account of Natalee and the condition she was in in the car, it is very odd that she was falling asleep and waking up repeatedly and the bizarre things the suspects say she's saying. I think we've always felt that in some part, drugs were involved as far as someone slipping something in her drink unbeknownst to her.

Transcript Credit: Heli (RU)


Gerold Dompig
48 Hours Mystery
March 22, 2006

"We feel strongly that she probably went into shock or something happened to her system with all this alcohol maybe on top of that other drugs which either she took or they gave her and that she just collapsed," says Dompig.

The crime, Dompig suspects, occurred when the body was illegally disposed of.  The boys may have acted alone.

"We’re not talking about killers here," he says

[Dayhiker]

Whoever is pulling the strings in Aruba is orchestrating this whole thing. It's all timing.

Jug thinks Mos' antics on Aruba were an orchestrated farce. I am inclined to agree, although I do appreciate him coming out with that evidence.

[AnnieMW1]

So the Kalpoes are having a press conference tomorrow for real? 

[klaasend]

So the Kalpoes are having a press conference tomorrow for real? 

According to Jossy, yes.  My guess it will be their attorneys though and not them.

[San]

So the Kalpoes are having a press conference tomorrow for real? 

They are going to unvail to the world that Satish is not a mute.

[ldstlou]

Jug, you said you read here.  I just want you to know that from the beginning and until now, I think you're amazing.  You've seen through all the crap...and called a spade a spade.  Thanks for coming on to talk.

I think he reads the front page more often that the forum. We might be better off with front page posts to Jug.

[CBB]

So the Kalpoes are having a press conference tomorrow for real? 

This is Taco's directing of events. I guarentee it. Those attys are being puppeted by Taco as director of the entire "defense" strategies.

[klaasend]

TRANSCRIPT - by Heli at RU:

Jug Twitty with Dana Pretzer TRANSCRIPT

Dana Pretzer Show

** Because I know you're all anxious to hear what Juggles had to say
I'm posting a rough transcript with the flavour of what was said. When
the podcast comes up later, I'll transcribe a verbatim transcript and post
it tomorrow. I haven't proofread it, so please forgive how rough it is
but I think you'll get the highlights.


Dana:

King of the flip flops Mos, explained evidence he based himself on .. testimony of a girl 4 hours after nat disappeared, new interprestation of laptops that contradicts the timelines.

Tomorrow Kalpoes holding Press Conference

Jug

Could have solved it by the 3 or 5th day, we gave them all the invofmation, my friends, Beth's friends we were digging and they didn't act on it. I feel sorry for people of Aruba, they have a government that flip flops like they do. All gov't officlas have any backbone, we can't trust any of them, none of them would help us. Jossy was the only one who would help us because he has power of ink, he's not afraid of anybody

Dana:

When they release them the gutless prosecutor says they're going to close it, now they say it's not true, these guys are still persons of interest. The contradictions just keep on coming

Jug:

We just sit, hope and pray, thank goodness to the guys at Scared Monkeys and Fox News, they kept it alive. Everybody down there wants it to go away. I know that J2K's and Paul all know where Natalee is and what happened to her, it's a shame that theyr'e such cowards, Several times when the interviewed me, the cops asked me about Natalee, if she was epileptic and crazy things like that.

They took her out, put something in her drink, she flipped out and she died ... so why did they tell all those lies



Dana:

Jossy Mansur

Jug:

He's a man of his word, I've been tohis house, met his wife, his sons went to same military school, I trust him

Dana:

Julia Renfro

Jug

She has her own agenda and her whole deal she ran us around, she has some kind of connection to Paul,

Paul

is a coward, I'm a father I'm a very good father, this man is not and i see his face at night he's evil

Dennis Jaco

A puppet, he's dirty I could tell the first day the man's string pulled by somebody

Dompig, I never sat down with him face to face

Oduber, very wishy washy, sat with Beth and I we had dinner with wife and him and gave him confidential information that he was flabbergasted about but he did nothing, He really has no power down there really

Dana:

One thing that maybe you'd like to say that we've never heard, seen or read about

Jug:

I will say I think van der Stratten is someone connected and he's the reason they didn't solve the case. I sat in private meetings after I read some reports , I asked him some things about the colour of her underwear ... he denied it and so I knew he was covering it up b/c I read it in some statements. I knew then I told Beth this isn't good, he's bad, he's dirty, this case should have been solved. A lot of people know but they're too afraid to come out because

Dana:

All the investigators, van Zandt and other, it's such a simple case that should have been dealt with easily.

A new york lawyer, Tcopina that's on the cable news channels on a nightly basis, representing hismelf as Joran's lawyer, but from Aruba they say he's not his attorney. What do you think about him

Jug:

Typical NY lawyer, the people in america recognize the same thing, he's just a real smart alec, he wants his name out there.

Dana:

The cable news show sjust cater to him all the time.

We know there's a search taking place, we hope and pray it comes up successful, but one question I have from a listerner

Do you have a theory of where her body was disposed and who assited

Jug:

I don't have a theory, something did happen. when we met there that night at van der Sloot's Joran kep ttelling me we dropped her off and she stumbled and hit her head. My friends went to the headmaster and he said she may ahve hit her head on the rocks when she was watching the sharks. My theory is they gave her something, she reacted to it, flipped out, tried to fight her way out of it, fell out of the car, but I don't know what they did with the body.

Dana:

Reports of blood in Deepak's car, did you see anything in the car

Jug:

I did see it, if I had one chance to do something different, I had an entourage with me that night, we had that car surrounded and I should have opened that trunk b/c I'm sure there was evidence in there.

Soemers told me there was fluid in the headliner of the car. I guarantee you that evidence got buried somewhere.

Dana:

Police officers helped with info, how much did you learn from them and who shut them up

Jug:

Hard to figure out, I kept asking them the officers who went to the van der Sloots that night. They never asked those cops until way later on about what went on that night and there was no record kept of it. It's crazy

Dana:

Art Wood says Koen's boat was used to take her out to sea.

Jug:

Very well could have been; she's not on that island, the only other thing that could have happened is she went to the incinerator.

Dana:

Do you beleive she was taken to their house, do you believe the body was there when you were there

Jug:

Yes I do, I definitely believe she was taken to that house, if she wsan't in that house, she was close. When they came back that night at 3 a.m. they're all sweaty, they weren't at no casino I can guarantee you, they were getting Natalee out of that house is what they were doing.

Dana:

The FBI involvment and the government of US, have you received enough assistance from your own government

Jug:

We did in the beginning, the FBI was there, a couple of agents I got to know real well, but there was nothing they could do b/c the aruban government shut them down. the FBI couldn't understand what they were saying. They were sent to observe, the couldn't really offer anything

Dana:

Is there an appeal process, something you can do now

Jug:

I don't know, their justice system down there is so screwed up 75% of the people down there don't understand it. It's so hard to follow what they do, I believe if they found Natalee's body unless you could find a video of J2K's doing something ot her, they wouldn't convict them

Dana:

Drug involvement, high profile media people saying that Ntalee died of a drug overdose, all this kind of nonsense. What have you been told as far as the rumours of drug involvement. There as probably a tampered with drink

Jug:

I know Natalee was not into drugs at all, Natalee was a goody two shoes, more so than 90% of the kids on that trip and I know how those kids act. I don't think Natalee was involved with drugs, they could have put something in her drinks. They kept questioning me about her medical history and that's why they kept asking me abou ther medical history becuase she flipped out

Dana:

Someone obviously knows something, is there still a reward available. Can we keep pressure on somebody to come fowar

Jug:

We though $1 Million dollars would have brough somebody forward but nothing. It must be big, going right to top since nobody has come forward. You know they know, Deepak and Satish and all those guys know. I don't think they put enough pressure on them

Dana:

When Beth and DAve went down recently Beth was interrogated for 4 hours about Natalee.

Jug:

We talked about it last night, but nothing like she was interrogated, she said that the prosecutor lied to them and told them about new evidence. They sat with him and aske dhim questions for 4 hours and he wouldn't answer any of them

Dana:

Anita van der Sloot, some of the comments she made to Beth were absolutely, raised the hair on th back of your neck. What's her involvement

Jug;

She knows something, she's just there to I'm sure Paul and Joran control her and I don't know how she can live with it. She's a very weak person

Dana:

Your thoughts and feelings aboutr Natalee not being there

Jug

It's really hard, Natalee was a great girl I love Natalee and Matt to death, Aruba is a sad place, whoever down there is pulling all these strings .. for him to come out with this right before Thanksgiving.

It's all timing down there, I did a couple of interviews and then they said oh no, no we're not going to close the investigation.

I appreciated all the scared monkeys, I never post on there but I know every one of the people who post there and I read there all the time.

[Miss-Underestimated]

Someone needs to send Anita a new bra.....along with a camera

That is a freakin ugly picture, they should both be ashamed.
They both are two baggers.