Natalee Case Discussion #707 12/22 - 12/28/2007

[Kat_Gram]

I don't know what the laws in Aruba are ( I should call Arlene, got her number ? ) but at the beginning of this case, it was said that the family under Aruban law could look at the case files once two years had passed if there had been no charges.
Can't imagine this will happen without motions and more motions to the point of motion sickness and more gagging and gag orders.
From another standpoint, I can see that the suspects will not ever be questioned again. We ahve all been waiting for Aruban Justice to poo or get off the pot. I think they have gotten off  the pot, regardless of Mr. Mos's intentions good or bad.
Pray for the searchers. I am sure that during this feative season, they have places they would rather be and people they would rather be with.   

[Tylergal]

That's true that Arlene Clipshop did say that, but the truth is Arlene also said a lot of things that have not held true.  She said they only had 2 years in which to investigate, charge, etc., a murder/manslaughter/rape case.  Arlene was part of the disinformation squad.  She was beauty and the beast.  She was a beautiful woman with the heart of a beast.

[Kat_Gram]

I think that was also said by Beth's attorney, not Helen but a DeSousa woman.
Also what happens now to the Dr. Phil case and the discovery and the production of documents ?

[San]

That's true that Arlene Clipshop did say that, but the truth is Arlene also said a lot of things that have not held true.  She said they only had 2 years in which to investigate, charge, etc., a murder/manslaughter/rape case.  Arlene was part of the disinformation squad.  She was beauty and the beast.  She was a beautiful woman with the heart of a beast.

This is a perfect description of her Tyler.

[klaasend]

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

Wednesday, December 19, 2007
VIII. Side Scan Sonar search
 
Update: Sat. 22-Dec - 2015 hrs
The seas calmed throughout the evening. The progress we're making is satisfying. Once again, we will work through the night. At night, the seas tend to be calmer and it's easier to focus on the work without being able to see the beach. The sunset was beautiful this evening. ROV pilot Brandon Hernandez hurried out to the back deck of the Persistence to take the photo for the blog. At the same instance he snapped the picture, a swell washed across the back deck, soaking him half way up his shins. Brandon, now the world will know you by this noble photographic cause.



We came across another unknown wreck today, an approximately 50ft long catamaran.

[sirensong]

I know this will not be a popular statement but I am just going to say that I am disappointed in our own government for not helping Beth more.

I am disappointed in the fact that they let Aruba make fools of our FBI with all these antics they are pulling.

The fact that we let that horse face Arlene Ellis Schipper in our country with that so called Aruban delegate is just appauling.  She came here all smug knowing that her cousin was involved in what happened to Natalee.  What we should have done was shock the sh!t our of them when they came here and we didn't.

ABSOLUTELY, San.  I am disgusted with our government for allowing this to go on for so long.  They could be doing something.   

[sirensong]

I want to say that I have so much admiration and respect for all you intelligent Monkeys!  You all have a very Merry Christmas, and I pray for a great New Year for each and every one of you.  As my anger and frustration cannot imagine Beth  & Dave's, my heart can't imagine how much more full their's are,  due to all the wonderful people working for and with them.  Could they have even felt love again after all this evil,  if it hadn't been for all this love they are sent?  God Bless. 

[San]

I want to say that I have so much admiration and respect for all you intelligent Monkeys!  You all have a very Merry Christmas, and I pray for a great New Year for each and every one of you.  As my anger and frustration cannot imagine Beth  & Dave's, my heart can't imagine how much more full their's are,  due to all the wonderful people working for and with them.  Could they have even felt love again after all this evil,  if it hadn't been for all this love they are sent?  God Bless. 

Merry Christmas to you too sirensong and a healthy and Happy New Year.

[sirensong]

thank you, San

[Observer]

This should be posted again for those that missed it




http://www.nholloway.blogspot.com/

Excerpts from Kyle Kingman
(Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist)


"...The final and most elaborate search for Natalee Holloway has begun. This is likely the most complicated post-mortem search of its kind in history. This case has had many twists and turns during it's 2+ year history. This is one of the final chapters that will hopefully provide closure both to the Holloway family and to the watching world.


I've described this search to reporters and friends as a search for a needle in a field of hay stacks while hovering hundreds of feet above the field. However, we have the best needle-detecting equipment and detectors on the planet. The attitude on board the boat is unanimous and unwavering. We know that if God wants her body found, the chances of success are perfect.


It's clear to me that we are again being beckoned into regions of the unknown. We all have our hopes and expectations on what will happen and what we will find. All of us replay slightly differing scenarios through our minds as we lay awake tonight. There is one common thread however that permeates all of us. We know that God has us here for a purpose, and that purpose is being achieved and revealed to us one word of the manuscript at a time."


To put this all in perspective...

    * We will be searching waters as deep as 6 times the height of the Statue of Liberty, or almost as high as the Empire State Building.

    * The equipment is towed behind the boat near the seafloor almost 1-mile behind the boat, or over 16 football fields away.

    * There are swift currents, rough seafloor topography, and unknown terrain.

    * We are looking for a target the size of a shopping cart within the area of Manhattan.

The equipment consists of the following:

    * Side scan sonar (Edgetech FS4200)

    * SeaEye ROV, or remotely operated vehicle

    * Sonardyne USBL (Ultra-Short Base-Line) system providing acoustic tracking of the side scan sonar and ROV

    * Navigation provided by WinFrog software

    * The vessel positioning is provided by multiple Trimble GPS receivers giving us about 1m accuracy.

    * Communications (Phone, data transmit, and Internet) are performed by an Agiosat Global Communications Marine Tracking System.



THANK YOU TO THOSE INVOLVED:

Louis Schaefer Jr. - Project Lead and Key Contributor

Tim Miller - Project Management -Founder of Texas Equusearch
http://www.texasequusearch.org/

Tim Trahan - Underwater Expeditions - Project Management

John Silvetti - Project Lead and Key Contributor
Responsible for overall project planning and development.
Owner of Marine Surveys, LLC .
http://silvettigroup.com/

Marc Broussard - Project Manager

Kent Bourg- Party Chief

Kyle Kingman - Geophysical Engineer and Marine Geologist

Dr. Rob Floyd - Marine Geologist /Archaeologist

Anthony Fontenot - Acoustic Positioning Technician

[Tylergal]

San, thanks for being here for us.  I hope I am on my way out the door to make my last purchase.  It seems I always forget something.     I have to get the postman and my hair dresser a gift certificate.     I did not get my hair done this week so I will have to take it by and the postman's last run is tomorrow and then I think I am through! Then I start washing that last load of clothes, polishing that last piece of silver, get table set and make napkin holders from mistletoe and red velvet ribbon.

Well at least you don't have your stove apart and the grates all over the counter (6 heavy grates) and trying to scrub them all  

San, goodness, are you through yet?  I hope so.  What an icky job at Christmas.  I would help you if I could.  It's not the worst job, just time consuming.  But, boy, does it make your house feel clean when you clean the stove.

[Tylergal]

http://nholloway.blogspot.com/

Wednesday, December 19, 2007
VIII. Side Scan Sonar search
 
Update: Sat. 22-Dec - 2015 hrs
The seas calmed throughout the evening. The progress we're making is satisfying. Once again, we will work through the night. At night, the seas tend to be calmer and it's easier to focus on the work without being able to see the beach. The sunset was beautiful this evening. ROV pilot Brandon Hernandez hurried out to the back deck of the Persistence to take the photo for the blog. At the same instance he snapped the picture, a swell washed across the back deck, soaking him half way up his shins. Brandon, now the world will know you by this noble photographic cause.



We came across another unknown wreck today, an approximately 50ft long catamaran.

God bless each and everyone of you and thank you for the beautiful photograph. 

Unknown wrecked 50-ft catamaran?  Don't tell me this is another strange occurrence in the Caribbean. 

[San]

San, thanks for being here for us.  I hope I am on my way out the door to make my last purchase.  It seems I always forget something.     I have to get the postman and my hair dresser a gift certificate.     I did not get my hair done this week so I will have to take it by and the postman's last run is tomorrow and then I think I am through! Then I start washing that last load of clothes, polishing that last piece of silver, get table set and make napkin holders from mistletoe and red velvet ribbon.

Well at least you don't have your stove apart and the grates all over the counter (6 heavy grates) and trying to scrub them all  

San, goodness, are you through yet?  I hope so.  What an icky job at Christmas.  I would help you if I could.  It's not the worst job, just time consuming.  But, boy, does it make your house feel clean when you clean the stove.

Yes I did finish.  You are right it is not the worst job but it sure is time consuming.

[Tylergal]

San, thanks for being here for us.  I hope I am on my way out the door to make my last purchase.  It seems I always forget something.     I have to get the postman and my hair dresser a gift certificate.     I did not get my hair done this week so I will have to take it by and the postman's last run is tomorrow and then I think I am through! Then I start washing that last load of clothes, polishing that last piece of silver, get table set and make napkin holders from mistletoe and red velvet ribbon.

Well at least you don't have your stove apart and the grates all over the counter (6 heavy grates) and trying to scrub them all  

San, goodness, are you through yet?  I hope so.  What an icky job at Christmas.  I would help you if I could.  It's not the worst job, just time consuming.  But, boy, does it make your house feel clean when you clean the stove.

Yes I did finish.  You are right it is not the worst job but it sure is time consuming.

The one thing I hate about solid-surface stoves when I cook, but is a plus in the long run, you have to clean them every time you use them or they look ugly, but it's really a breeze, just wipe with a little barkeeper's friend and buff with microfiber cloth.  I think the oven cleans itself.  I don't know.  I don't use it enough to really clean it.   I do scramble eggbeaters each morning, however. 

[GabbyG]

Hi Monkeys! I just wanted to wish each of you a very Merry Christmas and a Blessed New Year! I pray for safety and blessings for the Persistence and crew also, and for Beth, Dave, and all of Natalee's families. Maybe these next weeks will bring what we have all been praying and hoping for, for so long.

[San]

Hi Monkeys! I just wanted to wish each of you a very Merry Christmas and a Blessed New Year! I pray for safety and blessings for the Persistence and crew also, and for Beth, Dave, and all of Natalee's families. Maybe these next weeks will bring what we have all been praying and hoping for, for so long.

Hi Gabby, Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too.

I also hope that the Persistence and crew does find Natalee's remains.  That would be the best Christmas gift for Beth, Dave and their entire family. 

[Observer]

Press Release   Source: The Boston Globe

Aruba Tourist Authority Signs on as Supporting Sponsor for 2008 Boston Globe Travel Show
 The 2008 event will be held at the Seaport World Trade Center in Boston on February 22-24, 2008.

In 2007, the show attracted more than 200 travel industry exhibitors and over 13,000 attendees. More than $2 million in travel was booked onsite at the show. The 2008 event is expected to draw even more exhibitors and attendees.

The supporting sponsor for the 2008 Show will be the Aruba Tourist Authority, a publicly funded organization designed to position Aruba as a preferred tourism destination in the Caribbean, encouraging visitors to choose Aruba for their holidays, meetings, incentives and conventions.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/071221/20071221005528.html?.v=1

[Tylergal]

Press Release   Source: The Boston Globe

Aruba Tourist Authority Signs on as Supporting Sponsor for 2008 Boston Globe Travel Show
 The 2008 event will be held at the Seaport World Trade Center in Boston on February 22-24, 2008.

In 2007, the show attracted more than 200 travel industry exhibitors and over 13,000 attendees. More than $2 million in travel was booked onsite at the show. The 2008 event is expected to draw even more exhibitors and attendees.

The supporting sponsor for the 2008 Show will be the Aruba Tourist Authority, a publicly funded organization designed to position Aruba as a preferred tourism destination in the Caribbean, encouraging visitors to choose Aruba for their holidays, meetings, incentives and conventions.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/071221/20071221005528.html?.v=1

Oh, here's a clue   Anyone interested in a little demonstration?  do we need a permit?

[San]

Press Release   Source: The Boston Globe

Aruba Tourist Authority Signs on as Supporting Sponsor for 2008 Boston Globe Travel Show
 The 2008 event will be held at the Seaport World Trade Center in Boston on February 22-24, 2008.

In 2007, the show attracted more than 200 travel industry exhibitors and over 13,000 attendees. More than $2 million in travel was booked onsite at the show. The 2008 event is expected to draw even more exhibitors and attendees.

The supporting sponsor for the 2008 Show will be the Aruba Tourist Authority, a publicly funded organization designed to position Aruba as a preferred tourism destination in the Caribbean, encouraging visitors to choose Aruba for their holidays, meetings, incentives and conventions.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/071221/20071221005528.html?.v=1

I think this paragraph needs to be reworded:

Before:

"The supporting sponsor for the 2008 Show will be the Aruba Tourist Authority, a publicly funded organization designed to position Aruba as a preferred tourism destination in the Caribbean, encouraging visitors to choose Aruba for their holidays, meetings, incentives and conventions."

After:

"The supporting sponsor for the 2008 Show will be the Aruba Tourist Authority, a publicly funded organization who makes their money from the biggest drug cartels in the Carribbean who is designed to position Aruba as a preferred tourism destination so they can launder their money through the Caribbean, encouraging visitors to choose Aruba for their holidays, meetings, incentives and conventions so they can kidnap/rape/murder the young tourists and bring them to the elders on the island that control Aruba's government and then make them disappear forever."

[Observer]

San: