Natalee Case Discussion #707 12/22 - 12/28/2007

[IBE]

ROBOTS = SMART Think you have it Mr. R. Sir
KAT GRAM = SMART-ASS

<--------all that time at the airport let me do some serious thinking

paulus knew that joran was last with her with the k2 brothers

2 brothers against 1 joran - tough for joran to weasel out of that one.

k2 are bad - joran and paulus are worse

What if they moved her from the Sloot house to the freezer at
Mama Kalpoes resturant until the next day and they could move
her out to sea?  I think that is why Mama Kalpoe got fired.
I think K2 had keys to the resturant.

Just got online... wow what great theories.

Remind us not to put that restaurant on the AAA list of find dining.

Can that wall area along the van der Sloots be seen from any neighbors, (not counting the  monkey)

Sorry if this has already been covered. Am reading backwards.

[IBE]

Wasn't it rumored long ago that they had keys to the freezer in one of the hotels?

[IBE]

Oh Goody! I get to say again that I had an epiphany about the shoes, and Siren, I agree with you. Joran didn't loose his shoes! 

He told the story so he could say he sent the Kalpoe's back to look for them and place them on the beach in case Natalee was found dead. 

LOL, CBB, and you don't even have to eat a bug!  Yes, Joran may have put shoes on the beach the next day when he claimed to have walked the route, Size 14's he found or stole at the Racquet Club.  He wore the 10.5 ones, likely the ones he had on for the Greta interview he just had to model close up for the camrea while smirking from ear to ear.  Joran may or may not have even put shoes there but it not only set up the Kalpoes, it was proof he was at the beach in the first place.

Duel purpose at least in his warped thinking.  Then if only he could have had the shoes found on the Kalpies wouldn't that have been just dandy?  Would have placed them on the beach after he left and proved he was there in the first place.

Don't forget, Joran's hobby was criminal law. Maybe he thought he could do the perfect one.

[Observer]

VIII. Side Scan Sonar search

Update: Sun. 23-Dec -0130 hrs
The seas are calm and the moon is brilliant on the last survey line of the night. Murphy's Law always applies offshore. Midway through the survey line, the boat suddenly veers off course to avoid a small ~16ft wooden fishing boat anchored near the line. We hold our breath and bring in the sonar and magnetometer as fast as the winches allow. On the telemetry screens, both sensors suddenly go crazy. We caught the anchor line of the fishing boat with the sonar and magnetometer. The Persistence immediately comes all-stop as we cautiously bring in the gear. Fortunately for us and the fishermen, our reaction time was swift. We didn't give the fishermen much of a ride and no one was hurt. After a careful inspection, we determined that miraculously none of the gear was even slightly damaged in the collision. After the encounter was over, we thanked the fishermen for their patience and the small wooden fishing boat and Persistence went their separate ways into the moonlit night.

[Peaches]

Wasn't it rumored long ago that they had keys to the freezer in one of the hotels?

That sounds like an enhanced version.   I thought the keys were to the freezer at Manchebo steakhouse where lyin' mama worked.......until she was caught stealing.

[MumInOhio]

ROBOTS = SMART Think you have it Mr. R. Sir
KAT GRAM = SMART-ASS

<--------all that time at the airport let me do some serious thinking

paulus knew that joran was last with her with the k2 brothers

2 brothers against 1 joran - tough for joran to weasel out of that one.

k2 are bad - joran and paulus are worse

What if they moved her from the Sloot house to the freezer at
Mama Kalpoes resturant until the next day and they could move
her out to sea?  I think that is why Mama Kalpoe got fired.
I think K2 had keys to the resturant.

Just got online... wow what great theories.

Remind us not to put that restaurant on the AAA list of find dining.

Can that wall area along the van der Sloots be seen from any neighbors, (not counting the  monkey)

Sorry if this has already been covered. Am reading backwards.

Both Nadira and the stepfather were interviewed on 6/2 by Sir Frosted Flakes. Nothing shows up on Anita being questioned until 12/05/2006 and Paulus is not questioned until 6/14. The suspects were so closely tied together early on, IMO there is absolutely no way that this info was not given to the Kalpoe lawyers as not pertaining to their clients.

Either they were not questioned OR this information has purposely been with held. Well maybe the lawyers for Dr Phil aren't interested in what Joran's parents had to say early on.

Morning Peaches...not sure about that...seems I have forgotten more about this case than I know!

[KarmaRoundUp]

VIII. Side Scan Sonar search

Update: Sun. 23-Dec -0130 hrs
The seas are calm and the moon is brilliant on the last survey line of the night. Murphy's Law always applies offshore. Midway through the survey line, the boat suddenly veers off course to avoid a small ~16ft wooden fishing boat anchored near the line. We hold our breath and bring in the sonar and magnetometer as fast as the winches allow. On the telemetry screens, both sensors suddenly go crazy. We caught the anchor line of the fishing boat with the sonar and magnetometer. The Persistence immediately comes all-stop as we cautiously bring in the gear. Fortunately for us and the fishermen, our reaction time was swift. We didn't give the fishermen much of a ride and no one was hurt. After a careful inspection, we determined that miraculously none of the gear was even slightly damaged in the collision. After the encounter was over, we thanked the fishermen for their patience and the small wooden fishing boat and Persistence went their separate ways into the moonlit night.

[KarmaRoundUp]

VIII. Side Scan Sonar search

Update: Sun. 23-Dec -0130 hrs
The seas are calm and the moon is brilliant on the last survey line of the night. Murphy's Law always applies offshore. Midway through the survey line, the boat suddenly veers off course to avoid a small ~16ft wooden fishing boat anchored near the line. We hold our breath and bring in the sonar and magnetometer as fast as the winches allow. On the telemetry screens, both sensors suddenly go crazy. We caught the anchor line of the fishing boat with the sonar and magnetometer. The Persistence immediately comes all-stop as we cautiously bring in the gear. Fortunately for us and the fishermen, our reaction time was swift. We didn't give the fishermen much of a ride and no one was hurt. After a careful inspection, we determined that miraculously none of the gear was even slightly damaged in the collision. After the encounter was over, we thanked the fishermen for their patience and the small wooden fishing boat and Persistence went their separate ways into the moonlit night.

Yikes,my comments just went poof but my smiley santa appeared.
So again,Good morning Monkeys
I am thankful for the Persistence and all they are doing,especially during this holiday season.They restore my faith,I pray for them all a safe journey.They make me feel that evil NEVER wins out over goodness.
Wishing you all a very merry Christmas.

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning All! I second your post Karma.

Does anyone remember where the story of Natalee talking to a 'Hawaiian' looking guy came from? Was it from one of her friends interviews or PVs? Also the older man she was supposed to have been seen talking to? TIA

[San]

lets see if my translating is accurate tonight

1. they stalked Natalee at the casino and drugged her at the bar

2. raped by at least  k2 and joran   ( 20 times before with others ) out in the middle of nowhere - driving around

3. she never recovered from the drugs

3. brought to the sloot house via the back area ( thats why the dutch were measuring
and thats where she banged her head as they were taking her over the wall )

4. beach story was ALWAYS a load of crap

5. paulus was involved at somepoint ( 4:00 pick up at mcdonalds was NEVER a pick up of  joran - it was a way to make it look like joran was not at home and paulus needed to go get him but it backfired because they couldnt keep all their lies together. when paulus and joran went out around 3:45 it was to take Natalee away from the sloot house of hell to a temporary secure location.



PRINT THIS. this is what happened


BASTARDS - put that in your crack pipe MOS

 

So now let's think about this.  Where could they have taken Natalee.  I sometimes think and I know this is a little far fetched but I think they could have moved her to someone elses home where they knew no one would never check.

Who fits that bill:

Lorenzo
Van der Straaten
Ben Vocking
Julian Renfro

or someone who lives really close like Freddy.

[WhiskeyGirl]

lets see if my translating is accurate tonight

1. they stalked Natalee at the casino and drugged her at the bar

2. raped by at least  k2 and joran   ( 20 times before with others ) out in the middle of nowhere - driving around

3. she never recovered from the drugs

3. brought to the sloot house via the back area ( thats why the dutch were measuring
and thats where she banged her head as they were taking her over the wall )

4. beach story was ALWAYS a load of crap

5. paulus was involved at somepoint ( 4:00 pick up at mcdonalds was NEVER a pick up of  joran - it was a way to make it look like joran was not at home and paulus needed to go get him but it backfired because they couldnt keep all their lies together. when paulus and joran went out around 3:45 it was to take Natalee away from the sloot house of hell to a temporary secure location.



PRINT THIS. this is what happened


BASTARDS - put that in your crack pipe MOS

 

So now let's think about this.  Where could they have taken Natalee.  I sometimes think and I know this is a little far fetched but I think they could have moved her to someone elses home where they knew no one would never check.

Who fits that bill:

Lorenzo
Van der Straaten
Ben Vocking
Julian Renfro

or someone who lives really close like Freddy.

Would they have been inclilned to look in anyone's home?

Would they have been inclined to look at all?

Would they be inclined to see anything they found?

[San]

I don't think Mama Kalpoe knew what they were doing.
Deepak and Satish knew the resturant.  Mama had worked
there a long time.  IT was easy acess from the resturant
to the public boat laundh the next day.

hmmmmm.... im thinking about this one

i still dont think k2 know what happened

but i do think 1 of them witnessed natalee being in state of being drugged and falling in and out of it.   

neither one of them picked up slooooooooooooot killer

but i see what youre saying, they had access to a key..........hmmmmmmmmmm

I'm going to disagree with you here robots.  k2 knew what happened that's why they ran home to clean their car.  There were 3 people seen cleaning their car.  Then we have Satish emailing a former GF 5 hours later saying he didn't want to get her involved.  Involved in what.  Why would he say that.  He knew she was either on the verge of dying and was waiting for the final word or she was dead already.  Paulus Van der Sloot is more guilty than Joran because they were at his home.

Deepak Kalpoe said "You own father" did he mean that Paulus raped Natalee or did he mean that Paulus was a murderer.

[Buckeye]

Good Morning All! I second your post Karma.

Does anyone remember where the story of Natalee talking to a 'Hawaiian' looking guy came from? Was it from one of her friends interviews or PVs? Also the older man she was supposed to have been seen talking to? TIA

IIRC the FBI 302s from MB.  I don't remember her "talking" to an older man, just that an older man was at the blackjack table.

[Peaches]

Dog house next to goon boy's crib.... hiding in plain sight. 

I hate 'em all.  I really do.  It's the Christmas season and all but sometimes I just can't keep a good thought for those responsible.

I need a MOD in Musings if ya don't mind. TY.

[San]

lets see if my translating is accurate tonight

1. they stalked Natalee at the casino and drugged her at the bar

2. raped by at least  k2 and joran   ( 20 times before with others ) out in the middle of nowhere - driving around

3. she never recovered from the drugs

3. brought to the sloot house via the back area ( thats why the dutch were measuring
and thats where she banged her head as they were taking her over the wall )

4. beach story was ALWAYS a load of crap

5. paulus was involved at somepoint ( 4:00 pick up at mcdonalds was NEVER a pick up of  joran - it was a way to make it look like joran was not at home and paulus needed to go get him but it backfired because they couldnt keep all their lies together. when paulus and joran went out around 3:45 it was to take Natalee away from the sloot house of hell to a temporary secure location.



PRINT THIS. this is what happened


BASTARDS - put that in your crack pipe MOS

 

So now let's think about this.  Where could they have taken Natalee.  I sometimes think and I know this is a little far fetched but I think they could have moved her to someone elses home where they knew no one would never check.

Who fits that bill:

Lorenzo
Van der Straaten
Ben Vocking
Julian Renfro

or someone who lives really close like Freddy.

Would they have been inclilned to look in anyone's home?

Would they have been inclined to look at all?

Would they be inclined to see anything they found?

No

No

No

They would never look in any of those peoples homes.

Humor me Anna.  Which home would you move Natalee.  Let's just say they moved her because they needed time for their final plan.  They wouldn't move her to a place out in the open where people can see.  For all I know they could have placed her body in Koen's boat until it was time to take the boat out.  All they would have to do is put the tarp over the boat.  Who came first on the scene.

[San]

Dog house next to goon boy's crib.... hiding in plain sight. 

I hate 'em all.  I really do.  It's the Christmas season and all but sometimes I just can't keep a good thought for those responsible.

I need a MOD in Musings if ya don't mind. TY.

OK I'm going to Musings Peaches.  What do you need done.

[Buckeye]

San

Author: Suds (---.phil.east.verizon.net)
Date:   06-21-05 15:29

To Whom It May Concern;

I posted these two tips on a news station but will pass them on again to be certain they get to the proper authorities...
1. While visiting Aruba Feb 05 we went to Arashi beach one day. We met a young man I believe to be Jordan Van Der Sloot who was walking a large dog on the beach. My two kids were very excited to see the dog and enjoyed giving him a few pats as they love dogs. In the ensuing conversation this individual commented that he was house sitting and therefore caring for the owners dog as well. I wondered last night, if in fact the police and others investigating Natalees disapearance were aware that this person may have had access to an unoccupied residence in that area, where a crime could have taken place.   

old link doesn't work  http://tinyurl.com/2ogbcd

[Buckeye]

But the biggest rumor is this; Joran did get out of the car with Ms Natalee(at the lighthouse/arashi beach)...Accidentaly she stumbled at the beach..She fell on rocks where she hit her head pretty hard.And since then passed out.THey dropped her off a far distance from the Holiday Inn.BUt as guilty as they felt came back a few minutes later to check on her.She was still in the same position as when she was dropped off.Then they discovered she still had no pulse and supposed she turned ice cold and purple.SO they all panicked , took her back in the car , and started to plan what to do.
That is how much i know of this 'rumor'.
This is sooo sickening.These guys SHOULD be pressured MUCH harder ..Make them soob so hard they can't even think straight ,so they confess to this.
I believe the rumor.This is a shame , as for I am born and raised on this lovely island. And it makes me sick ! This is unfair , no matter how drunk this girl was.It's utter and completely wrong.
May god rest Natalee's soul..
58. Posted by AuA82 | June 13, 2005 4:44 PM

http://tinyurl.com/2mn82l

[San]

San

Author: Suds (---.phil.east.verizon.net)
Date:   06-21-05 15:29

To Whom It May Concern;

I posted these two tips on a news station but will pass them on again to be certain they get to the proper authorities...
1. While visiting Aruba Feb 05 we went to Arashi beach one day. We met a young man I believe to be Jordan Van Der Sloot who was walking a large dog on the beach. My two kids were very excited to see the dog and enjoyed giving him a few pats as they love dogs. In the ensuing conversation this individual commented that he was house sitting and therefore caring for the owners dog as well. I wondered last night, if in fact the police and others investigating Natalees disapearance were aware that this person may have had access to an unoccupied residence in that area, where a crime could have taken place.   

old link doesn't work  http://tinyurl.com/2ogbcd

Thanks Buckeye.  Since we all know Joran loves dogs so much  .  I wonder whose house it was.

[MumInOhio]

Good Morning All! I second your post Karma.

Does anyone remember where the story of Natalee talking to a 'Hawaiian' looking guy came from? Was it from one of her friends interviews or PVs? Also the older man she was supposed to have been seen talking to? TIA

IIRC the FBI 302s from MB.  I don't remember her "talking" to an older man, just that an older man was at the blackjack table.

Thanks Buckeye......nothing on the Hawaiian looking guy though?