Natalee Case Discussion #707 12/22 - 12/28/2007

[robots]

This is the most likely scenerio:

A source close to the case said: "The detectives are certain that Natalee is dead. And if she was dropped by boat far enough from shore where the currents are right, it's unlikely her body would ever be found."

Why preserve the evidence in a crab cage, not to mention the additional time and effort?

i wish i knew what gives them the hope she was put in the water

[WhiskeyGirl]

Is it the spirit of Natalee Holloway following Aruba?

Or, is it the pattern left behind by the case of Natalee Holloway?

No body/No case/No charges/No crime...ever

[Tamikosmom]

From BFN:

Report: Former suspect in Holloway disappearance regrets no trial
The Associated Press
Published: December 23, 2007

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands: Joran van der Sloot, the former suspect in the disappearance in Aruba of American teenager Natalee Holloway, told a Dutch newspaper he regrets that he was not formally prosecuted for any crime.

"I would have liked to have seen a trial, so that everything could be out in the open," Van der Sloot told DAG in his first public remarks since being released Dec. 7. He had been re-arrested in November for a new interrogation about Holloway's disappearance in 2005.

The newspaper published short excerpts from the interview Sunday ahead of Monday's edition. Spokesman Bob Witman of DAG said the interview was conducted via e-mail with Van der Sloot in Aruba, where he is currently staying.

Public prosecutors on the island closed their investigation Dec. 18, saying they believed Holloway was dead but they did not have enough evidence to prosecute Van der Sloot or two other former suspected accomplices of a crime in her disappearance.

Prosecutors said as things stand the case can be reactivated if "serious" new evidence emerges — but that would impossible if they were to prosecute and fail, due to rules against double jeopardy.

Under Aruban law, the statute of limitations is six years for involuntary manslaughter and 12 for homicide.

Holloway was on a high school graduation trip to the island when she vanished May 30, 2005, hours before she was to return home to Mountain Brook, Alabama. Extensive searches of the island turned up no trace of her.

The three former suspects, who are the last people known to have seen her, initially said they dropped Holloway off at her hotel.

After hotel security cameras disproved that, they were arrested and Van der Sloot said he left her alone on a beach and had no idea how she disappeared.

All three deny any involvement in her disappearance.

Van der Sloot denied there was any new evidence to prompt his arrest again last month, as prosecutors had asserted.

"There was no new evidence at all," Van der Sloot told the paper. "Dutch detectives tried to get me to talk for 15 days. They told me that Natalee was dead."

Prosecutors say their new evidence was a statement by one of the suspects during a tapped Internet chat in which he said Holloway was dead.

But defense lawyers denied that.

Van der Sloot said he believed his latest arrest was intended to please American media.

"I've been declared guilty without any factual evidence and I'm left to prove my innocence," he told the paper.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/23/europe/EU-GEN-Netherlands-Aruba-Missing-Teen.php

Thank you greeneyedlady.

To some extend my heart goes out to Joran Van der Sloot.  I believe that this young man is a product of his upbringing.  His parents had a God-given responsibility to teach him that there are legal and moral boundaries that have been established for his well being and the well being of others.  His parents also did not teach him that there are consquences that have to be faced for making personal choices to disregard those established boundaries.

Unless there is "genuine" repentence ... these untaught and unlearned lessons of life will have far reaching consequences ... consequences that reach beyond the Natalee Holloway case ... consequences which imply that "other Natalees" are at risk ... consequences which dictate that Joran will be eventually held accountable ... held accountable when he stands alone before the judge of all judges ... to receive an ultimate ruling.  There will be no high paid attorneys ... no Daddy with connections ... no Mommy as a character witness ...

That being said ... I do  believe that an even higher judgement awaits Paulus and Anita Van der sloot.  John Kelly words rang true when he implied ... it was a parent's enabling that put all the event into motion in regards to the the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

++++++++++++++

John Kelly
'Rita Cosby Live & Direct'
April 11, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times. And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos. If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.

[robots]

she may have gone willingly.............

yea, sure


if you have been drugged and someone offers NICELY to bring you home what choice do you have........you have been drugged

for goodness sakes
i hate that whole rotten jerk infested place


ARUBA IS DOING IT AGAIN-HIDE ALL the FROSTED FLAKES [/size]

[WhiskeyGirl]

This is the most likely scenerio:

A source close to the case said: "The detectives are certain that Natalee is dead. And if she was dropped by boat far enough from shore where the currents are right, it's unlikely her body would ever be found."

Why preserve the evidence in a crab cage, not to mention the additional time and effort?

i wish i knew what gives them the hope she was put in the water

I have to wonder if that is a common/expected method of body disposal.  I wonder how many crab traps are lost over a year's time?

[robots]

ARUBA IS DOING IT AGAIN
WATCH for the BLAME the VICTIM BS to start

ARUBA BLOWS

[robots]

it was only a matter of time


see, when you dont prosecute people for doing something 20 plus times
you are basically  GIVING them a license to continue to do it again

ARUBA just put the final NAIL in their own coffin

[robots]

perhaps the police should go immediately to the sloot house

make sure paulus and joran do not have the girl in their house of horrors

[robots]

the police should be on the lookout for k2 brothers

maybe the k2 brothers can claim a reward because they know all the ins and outs
of raping and stalking girls

[Jerry from Ohio]

  What a fine group of Aruban youth they should be so proud  NOT !!!

Nice group of young men they have in Aruba. I'M sure they love they love the young american females that come to party. Well at least on their last night.

[WhiskeyGirl]

perhaps the police should go immediately to the sloot house

make sure paulus and joran do not have the girl in their house of horrors

If two men were last seen with this new disappeared girl, what are the chances that they are related to a judge or public official?

What will happen to any evidence?

[WhiskeyGirl]

Maybe this latest disappeared girl is just to sidetrack any continued discussion of J2K?

Maybe the four horsemen of the Apocalypse are on the horizon?

[AZSunny]

  What a fine group of Aruban youth they should be so proud  NOT !!!

Nice group of young men they have in Aruba. I'M sure they love they love the young american females that come to party. Well at least on their last night.

This just makes me sick to look at it.  It really does. 

[AZSunny]

Isn't it interesting that the police will not go out at night without bullet proof vests on, should tell you something!  Aruba can never make this better. 

[dennisintn]

if i was a copy on aruba, i wouldn't be caught without one on either. 
dennisintn

[klaasend]

NEW FRONT PAGE POST:

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/23/breaking-is-it-possible-another-tourist-missing-in-aruba-second-girl-missing-american-student-joyce-buckeley/

Breaking: Is it Possible? Another Tourist Missing in Aruba!!! Second Girl Missing … American Student Joyce Buckeley

[Blue Moon]

Don't know about you but makes me wonder why the small fishing boat was out near the search ship last night---maybe planting evidence?

[San]

ARUBA IS DOING IT AGAIN
WATCH for the BLAME the VICTIM BS to start

ARUBA BLOWS

ARUBA IS TARGETING AMERICANS.
Wait wait do I hear Julia Renfro running to the aid of the mom too.  Oh no here comes Charles Croes he will save the day.  Wait wait Joran Van der Sloot decided to help look for the girl himself he wants to be a hero.  They Kalpoes are still washing their car.  Freddy is running down the street with his camera.  Sander has the boat ready.  Koen just ran in bed with mommy  .  Paulus just got off the phone with his son Lorenzo asking for help one more time.  Boeti is watching everything from the bushes and he said he saw the girl with drugs and Gerald Dompig said it's the FBI's fault.  Van der Straaten is swimming in from Bonair and Dennis Jacobs can't find a bullet proof vest big enough to fit him what will he do.

Anita is still fat and wearing her see through blouse.

I HATE THIS ENTIRE POS ISLAND.  BUNCH OF MURDERERS.

[WhiskeyGirl]

IIRC, if Joran had been charged with a crime and acquitted, he could not be tried again.  He would have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

I believe he has more at risk by not being charged. What of the Kalpoes?  Is he not concerned for them?

The truth is always available to those that know what happened to Natalee Holloway.  JMHO

[San]

perhaps the police should go immediately to the sloot house

make sure paulus and joran do not have the girl in their house of horrors

If two men were last seen with this new disappeared girl, what are the chances that they are related to a judge or public official?

What will happen to any evidence?

Any evidence will be gone.

I hope someone contacted the major news networks.