Natalee Case Discussion #707 12/22 - 12/28/2007

[MuffyBee]

Don't know about you but makes me wonder why the small fishing boat was out near the search ship last night---maybe planting evidence?

When I heard there was a small fishing boat out near the search ship, I thought it was pretty darn fishy myself.  I hope there will be no harm done or threat to the ship and crew.

[MuffyBee]

Posted by Lazlo at RU:

Lazlo Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:36 pm   

Girl is an American student, name Joyce 23 years old. 

Should I start a thread in Missing Person's for Joyce?  I hope Joyce is found quickly, and if she isn't,  I hope we all aren't here at Scared Monkeys two and a half years from now trying to find out what happened to her...

[private eye]

Merry Christmas everyone!!! A couple of thoughts. They would have placed her in the crab trap to keep the body from surfacing and possibly washing ashore.

As for the missing girl, I hope I am wrong, but I fear that the same people who took Natalee have now orchestrated this to prove that Joran did not do it to Nat as the guilty guys have just done it again. I also wish that someone would go check the incinerator. I know that seems far fetched, and I hate to assume the worst for the girl, but it I can certainly imagine this being dreamed up by these nuts. Maybe they will stage this and allow her to escape, or hopefully she is just out doing something and is OK. Either way, my heart cries for her parents, my prayers are with the girl, and I hope this has a happy ending befitting the Christmas spirit.

[San]

Posted by Lazlo at RU:

Lazlo Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:36 pm   

Girl is an American student, name Joyce 23 years old. 

Should I start a thread in Missing Person's for Joyce?  I hope Joyce is found quickly, and if she isn't,  I hope we all aren't here at Scared Monkeys two and a half years from now trying to find out what happened to her...

Good idea Muffy in starting a thread.

[dennisintn]

i hope a.l.e. and ahata's pr wienies remember that we remember what we've been told from day to day.  that will save themselves a lot of unnecessary embarassment and all of us a lot of time correcting their foolish lies.
dennisintn

[San]

Merry Christmas everyone!!! A couple of thoughts. They would have placed her in the crab trap to keep the body from surfacing and possibly washing ashore.

As for the missing girl, I hope I am wrong, but I fear that the same people who took Natalee have now orchestrated this to prove that Joran did not do it to Nat as the guilty guys have just done it again. I also wish that someone would go check the incinerator. I know that seems far fetched, and I hate to assume the worst for the girl, but it I can certainly imagine this being dreamed up by these nuts. Maybe they will stage this and allow her to escape, or hopefully she is just out doing something and is OK. Either way, my heart cries for her parents, my prayers are with the girl, and I hope this has a happy ending befitting the Christmas spirit.

I agree Private Eye about this possibly being orchestrated.

I hope this girl turns up safe.  I can't imagine another parent going through what Beth went through on the POS island.

[dennisintn]

Merry Christmas everyone!!! A couple of thoughts. They would have placed her in the crab trap to keep the body from surfacing and possibly washing ashore.

As for the missing girl, I hope I am wrong, but I fear that the same people who took Natalee have now orchestrated this to prove that Joran did not do it to Nat as the guilty guys have just done it again. I also wish that someone would go check the incinerator. I know that seems far fetched, and I hate to assume the worst for the girl, but it I can certainly imagine this being dreamed up by these nuts. Maybe they will stage this and allow her to escape, or hopefully she is just out doing something and is OK. Either way, my heart cries for her parents, my prayers are with the girl, and I hope this has a happy ending befitting the Christmas spirit.

I agree Private Eye about this possibly being orchestrated.

I hope this girl turns up safe.  I can't imagine another parent going through what Beth went through on the POS island.

i also think that is a possibility.  i don't think anything's beyond the realm of possibilities of what some people on aruba will do.  if no other connection exists, whoever is responsible for this knows they have very little to fear from the authorities.
dennisintn

[AZSunny]

Don't know about you but makes me wonder why the small fishing boat was out near the search ship last night---maybe planting evidence?

When I heard there was a small fishing boat out near the search ship, I thought it was pretty darn fishy myself.  I hope there will be no harm done or threat to the ship and crew.

Fishing boats in their native waters are pretty common, I wouldn't draw any conclusions from this.  Sometimes they lay out the nets, and sleep through the night and draw them in at the early morning. 

[WhiskeyGirl]

Why were police escorting the mother to bars?

Are the police looking for the two men the girl got into the car with?

What else did witnesses have to say about the girl?  Did she look to be under the influence of  something?

Why take the mother to bars?

[private eye]

I agree with you. No one should have to endure the loss of a child and I amm praying the prayer of all prayers that this girl is found safe, the family is reunited, and everyone lives happily ever after. The similarities, the timing, etc. have me waiting for someone to say this is a sick joke

[Red]

Merry Christmas everyone!!! A couple of thoughts. They would have placed her in the crab trap to keep the body from surfacing and possibly washing ashore.

As for the missing girl, I hope I am wrong, but I fear that the same people who took Natalee have now orchestrated this to prove that Joran did not do it to Nat as the guilty guys have just done it again. I also wish that someone would go check the incinerator. I know that seems far fetched, and I hate to assume the worst for the girl, but it I can certainly imagine this being dreamed up by these nuts. Maybe they will stage this and allow her to escape, or hopefully she is just out doing something and is OK. Either way, my heart cries for her parents, my prayers are with the girl, and I hope this has a happy ending befitting the Christmas spirit.

I agree Private Eye about this possibly being orchestrated.

I hope this girl turns up safe.  I can't imagine another parent going through what Beth went through on the POS island.

i also think that is a possibility.  i don't think anything's beyond the realm of possibilities of what some people on aruba will do.  if no other connection exists, whoever is responsible for this knows they have very little to fear from the authorities.
dennisintn

Well, its a lose - lose proposition if it was orchestrated. Personally, I do not believe it is. It was only a matter of time before this happened again.

If she is found and had gone off with 2 guys then that just further proves that what happened to Natalee was dome by the 3 as she obviously did not return.

If she, God forbid, does not then that means that means that this type of scenario is far from rare in Aruba.

Aruba loses all the way around. They even lose if someone did something to her and are arrested, charged and convicted. As the question will always remain ... why was it different for Joran, Deepak and Satish.

[AZSunny]

Do we know where this person was from in the states, and it appears she was there with her parents. 

[AZSunny]

Why were police escorting the mother to bars?

Are the police looking for the two men the girl got into the car with?

What else did witnesses have to say about the girl?  Did she look to be under the influence of  something?

Why take the mother to bars?

If the daughter paid for a 'bus' bar tour, it is a way to see a variety of the night life in a "safe" venue.  You pay a fee, and they take you and usually a large group of other tourist on a round of bar hopping on a bus, and you get one drink at each location.  No, I have not done this, but you see if offered on many islands, and in the US as well. 

[Pita]

Looks like Andry Lopez was at the Havana Club last night.  He is friends with Maxito Arendsz who was Lorenzo's alibi in Natalee's case.

[AZSunny]

I am sorry, I was distracted and didn't finish my thought.  They probably took the Mother to the various bars that were on the 'tour' to make sure the daugther had not stayed at one of the bars, and missed the bus.  I am sure they were also interviewing people with her to see when she left the group.  (i don't know they were interviewing people, duh, it is Aruba, but they should have been!!

[Pita]

I wonder if Lorenzo had a party last night?

[robots]

Looks like Andry Lopez was at the Havana Club last night.  He is friends with Maxito Arendsz who was Lorenzo's alibi in Natalee's case.

high as a kite

[klaasend]

I wonder if Lorenzo had a party last night?

  Good thinking.  I wish we had a photo of this girl.  The Karma Lounge 12/22 photos aren't up at the Magic site yet but should be by tomorrow.  I'd like to look through all the party pics on 12/22 and see if we can find her.  If we only had a photo of her.

[crazybabyborg]

Another girl staying at the Holiday Inn is missing...................

Wow. The reason the cops were escorting the mother to bars is probably to affirm that they are actually doing something instead of telling the parents that she's partying and will just "turn up" from the crack houses. 

[robots]

anyone missing from saturday night in city or country they are not familair is NEVER
a good sign.

but we know in aruba if someone is in distress, it behooves them to contact emergency people.... naww just hide the body and tell lies