Natalee Case Discussion #707 12/22 - 12/28/2007

[San]

Looks like Andry Lopez was at the Havana Club last night.  He is friends with Maxito Arendsz who was Lorenzo's alibi in Natalee's case.

high as a kite

I was going to say the same thing.

[robots]

Looks like Andry Lopez was at the Havana Club last night.  He is friends with Maxito Arendsz who was Lorenzo's alibi in Natalee's case.

high as a kite

I was going to say the same thing.

[Silverfox]

Why were police escorting the mother to bars?

Are the police looking for the two men the girl got into the car with?

What else did witnesses have to say about the girl?  Did she look to be under the influence of  something?

Why take the mother to bars?

Why take the mother to bars?  It demonstrates their mentality.  All young tourist girls on Aruba get picked up by men they don't know to "cruise" the bars, right?  They are telling the mother and all mothers of tourists that the only reason  young women come to Aruba is to party and get laid by the local studs...It would be unthinkable that someone would actually abduct a tourist girl right? 

All the more reason to boycott "DirtyHand" and is cronies...

[MuffyBee]

I've started a thread in Missing Persons for Joyce Buckley, with info from Red's latest front page.  If anyone has any other information, photos or links, perhaps they can be posted there, to keep them together.  Hopefully Joyce will be found in good health soon.

[Blue Moon]

Wonder if that was her last night on the island?

[Tylergal]

ARUBA IS DOING IT AGAIN
WATCH for the BLAME the VICTIM BS to start

ARUBA BLOWS

ARUBA IS TARGETING AMERICANS.
Wait wait do I hear Julia Renfro running to the aid of the mom too.  Oh no here comes Charles Croes he will save the day.  Wait wait Joran Van der Sloot decided to help look for the girl himself he wants to be a hero.  They Kalpoes are still washing their car.  Freddy is running down the street with his camera.  Sander has the boat ready.  Koen just ran in bed with mommy  .  Paulus just got off the phone with his son Lorenzo asking for help one more time.  Boeti is watching everything from the bushes and he said he saw the girl with drugs and Gerald Dompig said it's the FBI's fault.  Van der Straaten is swimming in from Bonair and Dennis Jacobs can't find a bullet proof vest big enough to fit him what will he do.

Anita is still fat and wearing her see through blouse.

I HATE THIS ENTIRE POS ISLAND.  BUNCH OF MURDERERS.

I think you have just made me spew all over my monitor seeing the truth in comic relief.

[Silverfox]

BTW...This really isn't about a boycott on Aruba and it's people...

It's about a boycott on DirtyHand and his RatPack infestation.

When you have rats then the best thing to do is to remove them.  You don't abandon your home if you suddently find it infested with rats, right?  No, you go hire the best exterminator you can afford and rid your house of these evil parasites.  For Aruba it is the same thing.  This country will never again be considered a safe place to vacation or visit as long as the head rat DirtyHand and his cronies and allies are all removed.

[San]

Wonder if that was her last night on the island?

 

[Tamikosmom]

Prior to the judges ruling ... the defense attorneys went on record stating the evidence was not new ... John Q. Kelly went on record stating the evidence was not new and ... Jug Twitty went on record stating that Beth conveyed the evidence was not new.

Janet

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John Q. Kelly
On the Record w/ Greta
December 4, 2007

KELLY: Well, in their press release and even in conversations. I had a long discussion with him Thanksgiving morning after the arrests, and you know, he indicated that they were very confident, this new evidence they had, this incriminating evidence. And it turns out, quite frankly, that it is nothing new ...

VAN SUSTEREN: All right. So you can say with 100 percent certainly there's nothing new, right?

KELLY: I can say it with 99 percent.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,314966,00.html


Jug Twitty
DANA PRETZER
December 21, 2007
 
TWITTY:  ... she (Beth) said that the prosecutor lied to them when he told them that there was new evidence. They sat with him and asked him questions for 4 hours and he wouldn't answer any of them
Transcript Credit: Heli (RU)


Joe Tacopina - Defense Attorney
THE LINEUP
December 2, 2007
 
There's no new evidence, look we're here in December now, they accept their own deadline for December 31. I've seen the 14 pages, there's no new evidence and there's certainly no new incriminating evidence and the funniest thing out of yesterday's press conference that I heard from the prosecutor was when he said "we were really disappointed with this ruling because we really wanted a chance to confront them with this new evidence" Well, they had 8 days, what are they waiting for, when were they going to confront them.

[mrs. red]

Ok I was no saint as a kid... no where near Natalee's status... but there is nothing cute or interesting about these boys...... they are all slimly looking... I would have been all about just drinking and dancing... and these guys are slimley as all hell.....

it's hard for me to believe that any American girl would be about sleeping with any of them.... unless of course she is under the influence of GhB.... it's why they dont' get any girls unless they are drugged.  YUCK>>>>

[Tylergal]

Merry Christmas everyone!!! A couple of thoughts. They would have placed her in the crab trap to keep the body from surfacing and possibly washing ashore.

As for the missing girl, I hope I am wrong, but I fear that the same people who took Natalee have now orchestrated this to prove that Joran did not do it to Nat as the guilty guys have just done it again. I also wish that someone would go check the incinerator. I know that seems far fetched, and I hate to assume the worst for the girl, but it I can certainly imagine this being dreamed up by these nuts. Maybe they will stage this and allow her to escape, or hopefully she is just out doing something and is OK. Either way, my heart cries for her parents, my prayers are with the girl, and I hope this has a happy ending befitting the Christmas spirit.

I agree Private Eye about this possibly being orchestrated.

I hope this girl turns up safe.  I can't imagine another parent going through what Beth went through on the POS island.

Sounds like a set up.  My first thought was "there is an ulterior motive afoot."

[San]

Ok I was no saint as a kid... no where near Natalee's status... but there is nothing cute or interesting about these boys...... they are all slimly looking... I would have been all about just drinking and dancing... and these guys are slimley as all hell.....

it's hard for me to believe that any American girl would be about sleeping with any of them.... unless of course she is under the influence of GhB.... it's why they dont' get any girls unless they are drugged.  YUCK>>>>

I agree.  Nothing attractive about that island or their men.

[robots]

Wonder if that was her last night on the island?

i bet it was 

[San]

Merry Christmas everyone!!! A couple of thoughts. They would have placed her in the crab trap to keep the body from surfacing and possibly washing ashore.

As for the missing girl, I hope I am wrong, but I fear that the same people who took Natalee have now orchestrated this to prove that Joran did not do it to Nat as the guilty guys have just done it again. I also wish that someone would go check the incinerator. I know that seems far fetched, and I hate to assume the worst for the girl, but it I can certainly imagine this being dreamed up by these nuts. Maybe they will stage this and allow her to escape, or hopefully she is just out doing something and is OK. Either way, my heart cries for her parents, my prayers are with the girl, and I hope this has a happy ending befitting the Christmas spirit.

I agree Private Eye about this possibly being orchestrated.

I hope this girl turns up safe.  I can't imagine another parent going through what Beth went through on the POS island.

Sounds like a set up.  My first thought was "there is an ulterior motive afoot."

 

[Blue Moon]

Sounds like a setup to me too.  Wonder who from RU went over there to set this up with the powers that be?  I am sure someone on that site was willing and able (with the help of Aruba--fully paid-for vacation for mother and daughter).  I hope she is found right away but don't have a good feeling here about this. Sorry.

[mrs. red]

Merry Christmas everyone!!! A couple of thoughts. They would have placed her in the crab trap to keep the body from surfacing and possibly washing ashore.

As for the missing girl, I hope I am wrong, but I fear that the same people who took Natalee have now orchestrated this to prove that Joran did not do it to Nat as the guilty guys have just done it again. I also wish that someone would go check the incinerator. I know that seems far fetched, and I hate to assume the worst for the girl, but it I can certainly imagine this being dreamed up by these nuts. Maybe they will stage this and allow her to escape, or hopefully she is just out doing something and is OK. Either way, my heart cries for her parents, my prayers are with the girl, and I hope this has a happy ending befitting the Christmas spirit.

I agree Private Eye about this possibly being orchestrated.

I hope this girl turns up safe.  I can't imagine another parent going through what Beth went through on the POS island.

Sounds like a set up.  My first thought was "there is an ulterior motive afoot."

I had that thought...I was out buying the stuff for CHristmas dinner and when I came back red told me....

so they take a other American's life to prove that they didn't do it.... oh yeah, that's the way to get tourism back... stupid f%%%%%% assbites!

[Tamikosmom]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/12/21/holloway.case/index.html

updated 10:19 a.m. EST, Fri December 21, 2007
Holloway case in 'new phase,' prosecutor says

Mos on Thursday laid out the evidence authorities have in the Alabama teenager's disappearance on May 30, 2005.

In an Internet chat shortly after Holloway vanished, one of the three suspects said she was dead, Mos said.

The chat, retrieved from a computer hard disk, was among new evidence prosecutors used to justify re-arresting the three in November, he said.

New technology that was not available in 2005 was used to find that chat and more between two of the three suspects, as well as others, he said.

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I suspect that the "technology was available in 2005 and ... Karin Janssen was centering her case around that technology until ... she was either intimidated or compensation and ... did not turn over this evidence to the judge or ... maybe she turn over this evidence to the judge and it was disregarded.  Bottom line ... the disc of the internet chat which has one of the suspects stating within hours of Natalee's disappearance that she was deceased is not "New" evidence.

Janet

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Karin Janssen
'The Abrams Report'
June 29, 2005

JANSSEN: We have much more information than only that. I can‘t tell you the details about that. I only can say there‘s telephone, e-mail, chat sessions, (UNINTELLIGIBLE) messages and that‘s the sort of communication that we are investigating now. And it gives us a clear picture of where they were and how they communicate and what they said to each other.


Karin Janssen
USA TODAY
July 1, 2005

Janssen said the prosecution was centering its case around e-mail and cell phone text messages written between the suspects the night Holloway disappeared. Janssen declined to offer further details about the messages, but said not having a body would make getting a murder conviction "more difficult but not impossible."

[WhiskeyGirl]

I wonder if the local bars have installed security videos?

Perhaps the report of getting into a car with two men is rumor or speculation?

If someone saw her getting into a car, did anyone try to stop her?  Anyone give descriptions?

Were the two men from the bar?  Perhaps they are on video?  Entered the bar just before closing?

[Silverfox]

Ok I was no saint as a kid... no where near Natalee's status... but there is nothing cute or interesting about these boys...... they are all slimly looking... I would have been all about just drinking and dancing... and these guys are slimley as all hell.....

it's hard for me to believe that any American girl would be about sleeping with any of them.... unless of course she is under the influence of GhB.... it's why they dont' get any girls unless they are drugged.  YUCK>>>>

Yup!  It is the only way they can prove their manhood...by drugs or by force...island mentality...For over 2 and a half years we have all been commenting about the so-called "Pimps" and their mentality -- and isn't it so macho to have these pics taken with their hand "expressions" -- always giving the message as to what they really feel about women...

They co-exist with DirtyHand and his cronies because they are 'enabled' and allowed to run without rules, respect or pride or dignity.  They are nothing less than punks with fake bravado who like to victimize trusting tourists for their own financial and personal ego boosts...

Yuck is right!

[robots]

ARUBA is a NIGHTMARE - BOYCOTT- DO NOT GO THERE- IT IS HELL