Natalee Case Discussion #707 12/22 - 12/28/2007

[Magnolia]

Charles Croes was born in NY and his parents
live in Palm Beach County, FL.

[sharon]

Steve Croes -- Curacao.


(HI MUM!!!!)

[MumInOhio]

Charles Croes also holds a US passport.

Sad, sickening and embarrassing -- but true.

Good Morning Sharon....yes... born in New York

[Magnolia]

she looks like a combination of RONALD MCDONALD, BOZO the CLOWN and a giant BEDSPREAD

You forgot Harpo Marx...

[MumInOhio]

If the Prosecutor, himself, has documented a pattern of behavior against American tourist girls (not to mention Deepak discussing behavior with multiples in the hotel rooms), I don't see how anybody can sue the family for anything.  I think the last Prosecutors statement is an ace in a hole for Dr. Phil.  Hope Phil ammends his disclosure request to get the latest interpretation.

Good point Buckeye!

[Tylergal]

When they sue Natalee's family, which Tacopino and his sleazy lawyer brothers plan to do, Aruba can kiss its tourism in the rear on the way out.  I doubt there will be enough tourists left at that point to fill a hotel.  This will be the most absolute worst publicity any place ever got. 

Can you imagine?  This is "blame the victim" dressed up in a shoddy "pimp" blue plaid shirt, sweaty perverted geezer, a has-been in a see through-blouse and a greasy greedy Mafia head.

Good Morning Tyler....Glad to see you got your robot working!

Do you remember reading of Anita and Paulus being interviewed on 6/15? I just read this yesterday and can not remember where. TIA

It was on a Dutch program.  I cannot remember the name of it but when Klaas gets here, I am sure she can remember it.  I used to have it but new computer and therefore, nothing old on it.

[Magnolia]

When they sue Natalee's family, which Tacopino and his sleazy lawyer brothers plan to do, Aruba can kiss its tourism in the rear on the way out.  I doubt there will be enough tourists left at that point to fill a hotel.  This will be the most absolute worst publicity any place ever got. 

Can you imagine?  This is "blame the victim" dressed up in a shoddy "pimp" blue plaid shirt, sweaty perverted geezer, a has-been in a see through-blouse and a greasy greedy Mafia head.

Good Morning Tyler....Glad to see you got your robot working!

Do you remember reading of Anita and Paulus being interviewed on 6/15? I just read this yesterday and can not remember where. TIA

It was on a Dutch program.  I cannot remember the name of it but when Klaas gets here, I am sure she can remember it.  I used to have it but new computer and therefore, nothing old on it.

That was the NOVA interview, I think.

[MumInOhio]

When they sue Natalee's family, which Tacopino and his sleazy lawyer brothers plan to do, Aruba can kiss its tourism in the rear on the way out.  I doubt there will be enough tourists left at that point to fill a hotel.  This will be the most absolute worst publicity any place ever got. 

Can you imagine?  This is "blame the victim" dressed up in a shoddy "pimp" blue plaid shirt, sweaty perverted geezer, a has-been in a see through-blouse and a greasy greedy Mafia head.

Good Morning Tyler....Glad to see you got your robot working!

Do you remember reading of Anita and Paulus being interviewed on 6/15? I just read this yesterday and can not remember where. TIA

It was on a Dutch program.  I cannot remember the name of it but when Klaas gets here, I am sure she can remember it.  I used to have it but new computer and therefore, nothing old on it.

Thanks Tyler, just wanted some confirmation that I was not the only one that read that. It was concerning Lorenzo/Anita. Will check with Klaas when she gets here. Thanks again.

[Magnolia]

This is it I think....


Host ( Jeroen Pauw): Jeroen Pauw
Reporter (Twan Huys): Twan Huys
Paul van der Sloot: Paul van der Sloot
Anita van der Sloot: Anita van der Sloot
Voiceover:  Paul and Anita van der Sloot speak for the first time about the dramatic disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the possible connection with that disappearance and their 17 year old son, Joran.

Paul van der Sloot: Because Joran didn't tell the truth immediately, he has brought himself into a difficult position, because of which, of course, there will be doubts about his later declarations.

[snip introduction of other news items]

Host (Jeroen Pauw): Good evening, welcome to Nova. The disappearance of Natalee has now been over a month.  Later, we have an exclusive interview with Paul and Anita van der Sloot, the parents of Joran, the Dutch main suspect.  Paul was released from prison Sunday night. But, first, the facts of a month of stress, misery and the American media circus on the island of Aruba.

Voiceover:  May twenty-fourth, Natalee Holloway, an eighteen year old school girl goes with a hundred of her fellows to Aruba for a five day vacation.  May thirtieth, on the last vacation evening, she goes to Carlos 'n Charlies bar. Friends see her step into a car around one o' clock.  May thirty-first, the next morning, she doesn't show up for the flight back to America. The police find her packed bags and her passport in her hotel room.  June second,  her family starts a search action and offers a reward of  fifty thousand dollars for tips.

[Video clip of Beth talking and showing some cards she hands out]

Voiceover:  June fourth, there are three young suspects. They say they have dropped Natalee at her hotel at two am. Security cameras did not record that. One of the three boys is the son of an Aruban judge.

M Croes: The stories among them also didn't match. Then they were marked as suspects.
Reporter: The three witnesses became suspects and spoke against each others' statements?
M Croes:  What I can say is that the declaration they made as witnesses weren't right. No.

Voiceover:  June eighteenth,  the Aruban police question Paul van der Sloot, judge in training and father of one suspect, Joran.  June twenty-third, the father is even arrested and held for three days. June twenty-sixth, the day before yesterday, Paul van der Sloot, the father of Joran becomes free again.

Arie Swan (attorney for Paul  van der Sloot ): He wants to process this. I believe that as a human he has the right to process this. He wants to go to his home as fast as possible, be with his wife and does not want to comment now. He does not want to say things he will regret later or will be interpreted differently by people. 

Host (Jeroen Pauw): Ok, that was then, I am going to talk with Twan Huys in Aruba, because now the family van der Sloot has spoken. You have been there.  How was the situation?

Reporter (Twan Huys): We just came from the house.  First to explain, on the request of  the father, van der Sloot, we mention his full last name. He told me, "I am no longer a suspect and I have no objections if the family name comes into publicity now." Then, the situation in front of the house there, an absurd situation. There are a number of phones, mobile phones that are ringing every second. Every producer here of an American network tries to get an exclusive interview with the family. Sometimes, camera crews show up in front of the fence of the house.  The family barely dares to leave the house, because the moment they leave their house, camera crews are waiting for them and ask for comments. The other view inside the house is that there are many bouquets of flowers from people on the island and friends, also from the Netherlands, who want to support the family. What I noticed, the hours we were there, is that the parents feel locked up in that house. They are being assisted by two friends, lawyers from the Netherlands.  They try to help, but it is, also for them, a matter of waiting of what is going to happen.

Host ( Jeroen Pauw):  How long did you speak with the parents?

Reporter (Twan Huys):  We entered at eight o clock, Aruban time, and it wasn't certain we were going to get this interview.  They wanted to have an orientation talk first, and eventually after a few hours they agreed to a talk, the reason being that they wanted to offer counterweight against all the publicity from the family of Natalee Holloway. Most of all, because the American media for weeks, on and on, every evening, pays so extremely much attention to the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, and so also to the honor of the van der Sloot family. Indeed, my first question was, "Why this interview today for NOVA?"

Paul van der Sloot:  Actually, I didn't want to speak about this case at all.  What is at hand is that that girl is found and brought back.  That is where all the attention should be directed.  In fact, me, the family, we are side issues.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Why are you doing it anyway? Why do you speak about the case?

Paul van der Sloot:  I am being forced now, because of the enormous media circus that is being built around it. That puts Joran and my family in the picture.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  I just saw you are wearing a bracelet.

Anita van der Sloot: Yes. 

Reporter (Twan Huys):  "Hope for Natalee" is written on that.  Why do you wear that?

Anita van der Sloot:  Because, I really, really hope that girl appears. I have a very positive feeling she is alive, that she is somewhere, and I hope she appears, and that is something we all want.  That is what we thought from the start, wanted and hoped.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Which function do you have here at the island?  Because many stories go around about that. What is your function?

Paul van der Sloot: I am a replacing member of the joint court of justice of the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba [1] and I am appointed for a period of three years, from January the first, 2003, until January the first, 2006.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  So, you are replacement judge?

Paul van der Sloot: Yes.

Reporter (Twan Huys): Do you know the people very well, for example, the people here from the public prosecutors' office that ordered your detention?

Paul van der Sloot: Yes, for sure, because, before that, I have worked for eight years as chief of the cabinet of the prosecutor general [2].

Reporter (Twan Huys): So, you also know the current prosecutor general?

Paul van der Sloot: Yes.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Mrs. Croes.

Paul van der Sloot: Yes.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Yes, and what does that mean when your colleagues stop by to arrest you?

Paul van der Sloot: That gives a feeling of absurdity.  It is indeed almost unimaginable that by someone you actually know very well, where you worked together with for a long time, that that one comes to tell you that you are suspected of complicity to murder.

Reporter (Twan Huys): Who was that in your case?

Paul van der Sloot: That was, in this case, that was the leader of the team of police commissioners.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Jan van der Straaten.

Paul van der Sloot: That was Jan van der Straaten, yes.

Reporter (Twan Huys): And you know each other very well?

Paul van der Sloot: Yes.

Host ( Jeroen Pauw): Twan, let's go back to Monday evening, the thirtieth of May.  That was a crucial night. What happened then?

Reporter (Twan Huys):  It is the evening, Jeroen, on which the parents of Natalee fly into Aruba.  More precisely, the mother and the stepfather.  They don't believe she just walked away, or that there is nothing wrong.  They are sure something serious is going on. So they take the first plane from Alabama, where they are from, to here, Aruba, and arrive in the evening. They go to the police and together go to the house of Joran, of the van der Sloot family . Then, it is night already, around two. In the middle of the night, they arrive there with a company of police and other people and they ring.  The father, van der Sloot is sleeping, he opens the door and asks,  "What is going on? Why are are here?"  " For our disappeared daughter, who was last seen with your son."  He doesn't know all that yet. The father van der Sloot goes to an apartment, next to the house, where Joran always sleeps and opens the door and Joran is not in his apartment.  He is not sleeping  there. And then, the father picks up the mobile phone, he calls his son and he appears to be in a casino somewhere here on Aruba at that time.   And that is where we pick up the story. The son is in a casino and eventually there is a meeting at the house of van der Sloot with all these people. The parents of Natalee, the son and the father.

Paul van der Sloot: He was, at that moment, again, not at home without me knowing it. Then, I called Joran on his mobile phone, and then he said that he was by the Wyndam. That is also a casino here in the neighborhood. Then, we drove there immediately, but he had, he said that he had misunderstood me, because he came home already. So, then all of us went back home, and around three, with quite a group, we spoke with Joran that night.

Reporter (Twan Huys): How did that conversation go?

Paul van der Sloot: Understandably, these people were quite excited [3]. I  tried to calm these people down as much as possible. I also said to Joran, he has to direct himself as much as possible to the police officers and not to  the people of whom it was uncertain what their status was.

Reporter (Twan Huys): You didn't want him to let himself be interrogated, or maybe started saying things that were not right to total strangers?

Paul van der Sloot: Yes, I think, anyway it was, for me, more trusting, if he would direct himself to the police officers.

Reporter (Twan Huys): Did it become clear for you what happened that night, with Joran in relation to Natalee?

Paul van der Sloot: Yes, that became clear to me.

Reporter (Twan Huys): Which story did he tell you then?

Paul van der Sloot: That he initially met her earlier that day in the Holiday Inn casino, where he was, as well, to play a free tournament.  That, then it was agreed to meet in Carlos and Charlies.  That, he initially did not want that, but that he went there anyway, and that he met her there, in Carlos and Charlies. That, then, with his two friends, Deepak and Satish, drove around a bit with her around the island, that they were making out [4] some on the backseat and that in the end he dropped her off at the Holiday inn. That was the story.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  And you thought, "This is it, now it is done."

Paul van der Sloot: Yes, I continued to believe in that story.  I had never, all these days after, received a clue that it would be incorrect.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  When did you find out that it was, nevertheless, different than how it was told by your son in the first place?

Paul van der Sloot:  He was arrested and then he changed his declaration.

Host ( Jeroen Pauw):  Ok, Twan, so there are different declarations. What did Joran say in his second declaration?

Reporter (Twan Huys): Very simple, Jeroen, in his first declaration, he has said that, indeed,  that he went, together with his two friends and Natalee, to the beach and that, that night, deep in the night, actually in the morning, all of them went back to the Holiday Inn hotel, where she was staying, and dropped her off there. That story is incorrect. That story, as told, has been retracted by Joran and also by his both friends, who are also still stuck [in jail].  He did that as soon as he was arrested and was interrogated by the police. He also never told the story as he told to the police to his parents.  His declaration now is that he left Natalee alone on the beach, and then went home by himself, and that his two friends were nowhere near that. That is the second version, and until now Joran holds on to that, under severe police interrogation. 

Host ( Jeroen Pauw):  Any idea how Natalee's parents will react if they will see this interview, between you and the parents of Joran?

Reporter (Twan Huys):  I have, like I said to you in the broadcast of yesterday, trodded along the past two days with the parents of Natalee, at least with her mother and stepfather. They are convinced that the son, Joran, and the father, Paul, are the key to finding their daughter back, and I think they will not be convinced by the interview.  But they have not seen it, because we just recorded it. Anyway, I asked Paul van der Sloot, what he thinks of the fact that the parents of Natalee are convinced that the answer to all their questions are with the Van der Sloot family .

Paul van der Sloot:  I have also spoken with the mother and I think it is a pity that, apparently, I have not been able to convince her that that is not the case. During that conversation, I had the feeling I had a reasonable contact with her and I tried to make it clear that the key is not with us, but, apparently, she didn't pick it up that way.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Can you imagine the suspicion from them after the first declaration of Joran was incorrect? And that in there, other things were said than what really happened?

Paul van der Sloot: Yes, because Joran did not tell the truth immediately, he has brought himself in a cumbersome position, as a result of which, his later declarations can be doubted. He brought himself into that position, yes. Possibly, he can give an explanation why he changed his declaration, but that is the difficult position that he is in.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  The picture that is being painted in the American media is that Aruba is an island where everybody knows everybody. Mr. van der Sloot is with the judicial powers, he can pull strings other people can't, he knows everyone and that is why there is no breakthrough in this case. What is your reaction to that?

Paul van der Sloot: That is completely incorrect.  The moment it became clear that Joran was going to be involved in this case in one way or another, I asked for leave and I have not been at the court anymore.  That is, to make very clear, most of all, I am now a father and not a judge.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Because you realized that else these stories would be brought into the world?

Paul van der Sloot:  In this situation you have to avoid every appearance [of impropriety].

Reporter (Twan Huys): On the day you were arrested, this past Thursday, with which communication were you told?  What was told to you as to why you were taken into custody?

Paul van der Sloot: That was not told to me when I was apprehended.  During the apprehension I was told that I was suspected of complicity to murder manslaughter and usurpatory freedom spoliation (kidnapping).  During the session with the judge [5], it was told that the suspicion originated, because that Monday night, when so many people were standing there in front of the door, I allegedly declared that at four o'clock, I picked up Joran.  And someone else, allegedly declared that I picked up Joran and Natalee, while my own declaration was, directed at police officers, that I picked up Joran at eleven o'clock at the McDonald's. That is, of course remarkable that the public prosecutor's office adds two witness statements of people who were standing somewhere in the back, and not the witness declaration from the police officers, where I direct myself to, and directed myself to, as much as possible.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  And these declarations were the base for your arrest and incarceration?

Paul van der Sloot: Together with the fact that I allegedly instructed the boys, Deepak, Satish and Joran what they should do, say or do, in case of a possible apprehension. And indeed, I have, when I foresaw that they could go from witness to suspect, explained them the procedure, with the intention that they will not panic. But, also that was enough for the prosecutor's office to suspect me of complicity.

Host ( Jeroen Pauw):  Yes, now, Joran is still stuck [in jail].  Do his parents have any contact with him? Do they still speak with him?

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Jeroen, only the mother is still allowed access to Joran. The father not, because he is a suspect, as well initially.  Maybe that changes in the upcoming days. The mother told me that Joran is under enormous pressure, that he is being interrogated for hours and that the two lawyers, the friends who were present this morning at their home were talking about an interrogation that looks like the currently forbidden, at least in the Netherlands, "Zaanse" interrogation method [7], which boils down to that indeed, you, for hours, put someone under pressure, and they are quite worried about that.  They also told that they were afraid that their son might, after all these weeks, possibly come through in a manner that has nothing to do with the truth and instead is going to say what is being expected from him.

Host ( Jeroen Pauw): Because, all in all, although he is being cocky and sits in the casino, he is a boy of 17.

Reporter (Twan Huys) to the host: Yes, he is a boy of 17 and his future was looking bright.  He had just done a few entry exams at a few universities in America and was also accepted at one university and he was going to give a party two weeks ago, he because he passed his exams. That didn't happen, of course. The big question is now what his parents think of his declarations until now. Do you still believe in the innocence of your son Joran?

Reporter (Twan Huys) to Paul: Are you still today convinced of the innocence of Joran?

Anita van der Sloot: Yes, yes, one hundred percent. Yes. I am sure Joran is innocent.

Paul van der Sloot: Yes. I, the way I know Joran, I can't imagine that he harmed that girl in any way.

Reporter (Twan Huys):  Do you have an explanation for the fact that Joran initially told another story than what happened that night?

Anita van der Sloot:  I think that anxiety [6], panic, maybe.

Paul van der Sloot: There is, of course, one victim and that is Natalee and the parents.  That is the main issue, we assume that Natalee will reappear.  That would be the key. In that aspect, we stay side issues and this can be overcome. We shouldn't take on the role of victims. I still believe and hope that people think, that they see the madness of what is happening here, that at this moment it is actually not about the girl anymore, but that a whole circus has been built, a media circus, that has its own interests and its own agenda.  I hope people see that and that they realize what this is actually about.

Host ( Jeroen Pauw): In closing, Twan, how should we weigh the words of these parents?

Reporter (Twan Huys):Jeroen, I had the impression they were sincere in the words they spoke to us.  The father of Joran compares his position with the writer, Albert Camu, who wrote a book De Val (The Fall).  He said, "Like in the eye of the hurricane." And again, I have the impression that they speak sincerely, but in the declarations of Joran there is unclarity, also the declarations of his two friends, and yeah, even a police team of 23 detectives don't get the bottom stone up, so it is very difficult to give a judgment about that.

Host ( Jeroen Pauw): Good. Hopefully, tomorrow you will be back with us with more news about this case of Natalee Holloway

[Buckeye]

There was an August 2005 interview with Paulus and Anita (that won't open now).  Paulus talks about working from home.  So, even though he says "for appearances" he didn't go to court, he was still working and therefore, communicating, with the courthouse people.  Had already been arrested and was still working from home.   

[Buckeye]

There was an August 2005 interview with Paulus and Anita (that won't open now).  Paulus talks about working from home.  So, even though he says "for appearances" he didn't go to court, he was still working and therefore, communicating, with the courthouse people.  Had already been arrested and was still working from home.   

This was CBS.  Link no longer works to videos, but the screen shot of topic is still there.

[MumInOhio]

Thanks Magnolia...only see the reference to 6/18 in that one. 6/15 was the day of the house search which would make Wit and Voking the 2 friends I am reading about. As the house was searched that day it would make sense that Anita and Paulus were both questioned.

[San]

Morning monkeys!  Today is busy for me...going to the museum to meet friends.  I tried the blow drying upside down trick...now do you guys manage to stand on your head so long?    Coffee anyone? 

I need some assistance...I know it involves answering some questions, but humor me this early.  Please tell me if the following people are Dutch, Aruban or whatever. TIA

Correct any mistakes I have, please.

Oduber....Aruban
Rudy Croes....Aruban
van der Straaten.....Dutch
Sloots....Dutch
Kalpoes....Suriname
Steve Croes....Aruban - Venezuelan or Colombian
Gottenbos.....Dutch
Guido.....Dutch
GVC.....Dutch
Dennis Jacobs.....Aruban??
Eric Soemers.....Aruban??
Ben King....Dutch
Charles Croes...Aruban?? - I thought Charles Croes had some Dutch heritage.
Freddy...Aruban?? - Venezuelan

My answers in red.

[AZSunny]

I told you earlier in the week that I as contacting travel agents in my area asking them to consider not booking Aruba, particularly for family travel.  I received a very nice note back from one of them this morning.  They specialize in family travel.   I thought you would like to see it.  I think we can make a difference, one email at a time! 

Thank you for taking the time to write.  I appreciate your concern via your e-mail. 
 
Although I do specialize in family vacation planning, I take many country destination specialist courses to better serve my clients (which also include many adult-only vacations), and have sent only adults to Aruba at their specific, upfront requests.  Aruba  is not a destination that many families request from me.
 
I am well aware of the Natalee Holloway case and other issues Aruba has, and definitely take things like this into consideration when advising clients.  I have read both Dave and Beth Holloway's books and have much sympathy for their family.

[Buckeye]

Kalpoe vs. McGraw....is this accurate??

Future Hearings

01/03/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Dismiss (Motion for Stay of Order;Motion for Substitution ofPersonal Representative forDeceased Deft.; Case ManagementConference; OSC RE: Plaintiffs'Failure to Appear on 12-7-07)

02/05/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion Pro Hac Vice

02/29/2008 at 08:30 am in department 69 at 111 North Hill Street, Los Angeles, CA 90012
Motion to Compel ((2))



12/18/2007 Notice (AND APPLICAITON BY OUT-OF-STATE COUNSEL JOSHUA D. YEAGER TO ASSOCIATE IN A PARTICULAR CASE, ETC. SET: 2-5-08 )
Filed by Attorney for Plaintiff/Petitioner

[Buckeye]

I told you earlier in the week that I as contacting travel agents in my area asking them to consider not booking Aruba, particularly for family travel.  I received a very nice note back from one of them this morning.  They specialize in family travel.   I thought you would like to see it.  I think we can make a difference, one email at a time! 

Thank you for taking the time to write.  I appreciate your concern via your e-mail. 
 
Although I do specialize in family vacation planning, I take many country destination specialist courses to better serve my clients (which also include many adult-only vacations), and have sent only adults to Aruba at their specific, upfront requests.  Aruba  is not a destination that many families request from me.
 
I am well aware of the Natalee Holloway case and other issues Aruba has, and definitely take things like this into consideration when advising clients.  I have read both Dave and Beth Holloway's books and have much sympathy for their family.

 

[Tylergal]

Charles Croes also holds a US passport.

Sad, sickening and embarrassing -- but true.

I think Charles Croes was born in the USA, maybe NY or PR.

[Tylergal]

I told you earlier in the week that I as contacting travel agents in my area asking them to consider not booking Aruba, particularly for family travel.  I received a very nice note back from one of them this morning.  They specialize in family travel.   I thought you would like to see it.  I think we can make a difference, one email at a time! 

Thank you for taking the time to write.  I appreciate your concern via your e-mail. 
 
Although I do specialize in family vacation planning, I take many country destination specialist courses to better serve my clients (which also include many adult-only vacations), and have sent only adults to Aruba at their specific, upfront requests.  Aruba  is not a destination that many families request from me.
 
I am well aware of the Natalee Holloway case and other issues Aruba has, and definitely take things like this into consideration when advising clients.  I have read both Dave and Beth Holloway's books and have much sympathy for their family.

YES!  THANK YOU, AZ LADY.  MOVING RIGHT ON ALONG, LET'S MAKE SURE EVERY TRAVEL AGENT KNOWS.  MINE DOES.  SHE WILL NOT SEND ANYONE TO ARUBA

[Anna]

When they sue Natalee's family, which Tacopino and his sleazy lawyer brothers plan to do, Aruba can kiss its tourism in the rear on the way out.  I doubt there will be enough tourists left at that point to fill a hotel.  This will be the most absolute worst publicity any place ever got. 

Can you imagine?  This is "blame the victim" dressed up in a shoddy "pimp" blue plaid shirt, sweaty perverted geezer, a has-been in a see through-blouse and a greasy greedy Mafia head.

Good Morning Tyler....Glad to see you got your robot working!

Do you remember reading of Anita and Paulus being interviewed on 6/15? I just read this yesterday and can not remember where. TIA

It was on a Dutch program.  I cannot remember the name of it but when Klaas gets here, I am sure she can remember it.  I used to have it but new computer and therefore, nothing old on it.

Thanks Tyler, just wanted some confirmation that I was not the only one that read that. It was concerning Lorenzo/Anita. Will check with Klaas when she gets here. Thanks again.

Good Morning! 

I recall that interview but I have never seen any of the Sloots ever so much as mention Lorenzo.  Would be most interested to read about that.

.

[Pita]

Charles Croes also holds a US passport.

Sad, sickening and embarrassing -- but true.

Charles Croes was born in NY.