Natalee Case Discussion #707 12/22 - 12/28/2007

[Tylergal]

Charles Croes also holds a US passport.

Sad, sickening and embarrassing -- but true.

Charles Croes was born in NY.

I think he was relocated to Puerto Rico at some point.  I believe he served in the US military, so that could have been his Puerto Rican connection, big armed forces base there.

[Anna]

Good Morning Karma...I was in the Murder and Crime thread and found this. Don't know if it is related.

ARUBA           
Date of Death    Place of Death    Cause of Death
July 12, 2004    ARUBA    Drowning
July 12, 2004    ARUBA    Drowning
January 26, 2005    ORANJESTAD, ARUBA    Other Accident
February 8, 2005    HORACIO ODUBER HOSPITAL, ARUBA    Drowning
March 12, 2005    WYNDHAM ARUBA BEACH RESORT, ARUBA    Drug-Related
June 8, 2006    HORACIO ODUBER HOSPITAL, PALM BEACH, ARUBA    Veh. Accid.-Auto
October 4, 2006    SAN NICOLAS, ARUBA    Drowning

http://www.travel.state.gov/family/family_issues/death/death_594.html


When I checked that link last week it did not work. I keep going back to that page trying to work out if this could be connected. Went back this morning after last nights discussion on the bank lady and the incinerator guy.



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Elvis Kelly and his wife Gladys were at the casino the same night Joran and Natalee were. It's in Andre dos Santos statement.

Elvis Kelly is related to Gregorio Kelly. Gregorio Kelly was just murdered in the Netherlands. It appears it happened at a casino.

Good morning Mum
Do we know when deepak was supposed to have had this discussion about the teacher drowning?It would seem from the above info(thanks for the info!)that he was either talking about a drowning from 7/2004 or 2/2005 or 10/2006,if these are the only drownings reported on aruba and we know how they like to report crimes and such haha

These are only the AMERICANS who have drowned, etc.  Does not list Arubans.  Was the alleged tennis teacher Aruban?  If so, she/he would not be on this list, just U.S. citizens listed here.

Somewhere we do have a list of accidental deaths of Arubans but not sure where any more.

[MumInOhio]

When they sue Natalee's family, which Tacopino and his sleazy lawyer brothers plan to do, Aruba can kiss its tourism in the rear on the way out.  I doubt there will be enough tourists left at that point to fill a hotel.  This will be the most absolute worst publicity any place ever got. 

Can you imagine?  This is "blame the victim" dressed up in a shoddy "pimp" blue plaid shirt, sweaty perverted geezer, a has-been in a see through-blouse and a greasy greedy Mafia head.

Good Morning Tyler....Glad to see you got your robot working!

Do you remember reading of Anita and Paulus being interviewed on 6/15? I just read this yesterday and can not remember where. TIA

It was on a Dutch program.  I cannot remember the name of it but when Klaas gets here, I am sure she can remember it.  I used to have it but new computer and therefore, nothing old on it.

Thanks Tyler, just wanted some confirmation that I was not the only one that read that. It was concerning Lorenzo/Anita. Will check with Klaas when she gets here. Thanks again.

Good Morning! 

I recall that interview but I have never seen any of the Sloots ever so much as mention Lorenzo.  Would be most interested to read about that.

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Good Morning Anna.....LOL...as I know your feelings on Lorenzo! It was from an old post and a possible theory! As Lorenzo seems to have been questioned on 6/16, with one of the Max's. It was asked if it was at all possible that Anita implicated Lorenzo because of the stories of him being related to Paulus. He was mentioned as early as the 10th by posters and I read yesterday that Anita and Paulus were questioned on 6/15. Just looking at possibilities.

Thanks AZ Sunny. And Buckeye I saw your post about the Dr Phil case and I'm sorry I can't help any except that I did read that the Kalpoe legal team was a no show at the last hearing. It was the same day it was announced that they would be released.

[Tylergal]

To the best of my recollection which is almost nil, it was Arubagirl who first mentioned Lorenza here very early in June, probably about the time the PIMPS went to jail, and she might have indicated he was "strange" or "crazy," and I don't want to say that those were the exact words she used.  I think she might have meant he was just not mainstream.  He seems to keep a rather low profile, which in Aruba, does seem strange as everyone seems to want to be "out there."

[Anna]

Yes, I was just curious as to why the Sloots would be mentioning Lorenzo since he has absolutely no connection to them and I have never read of any of them so much as saying his name, not even Joran in his tell-all book.

Scubajap was the first I recall inventing the "illegitimate son" tale.  I notice Mos has no such delusions.

But then she also called Joran's bruises the next day "hickies" as a level of her truthfulness.  Any salacious story is good for her and Julia.

[Anna]

Have to get with the program of decorating around here but I was wondering why the Kalpoes attorney would come out and admit his clients are the ones named in two of the incidents specified by the Prosecutor like that.

Also we were NOT told what the conversation from within the Kalpoe home was about.  Have always thought that would be the most telling evidence.

And what happened to the talk of someone infiltrating and getting Joran on wire in The Netherlands?  It is so strange that all this evidence was mentioned in the beginning with the rearrests and then nothing.

Did it ever exist or was Mos bluffing about it?  Can he do that?


Later, taters!

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[MumInOhio]

Thanks Anna and Tyler...way back then I only followed TV and have recently found a lot of old posts that are very interesting. I have been trying to work out what was spin and what was not. Almost impossible! Maybe some of the early Aruban posted rumors innocently, but there were some that did it not so innocently!

[Anna]

Just swiped this from BFN.  Wow, 22 sq miles!

 




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http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2007/12/viii-day-1-side-scan-sonar-search.html

Sat. 22-Dec- 1110 hrs
The Persistence awakes after a few hour much-deserved nap. The crew diligently toss the lines and she's free of the dock. Leaving the port facility, the seas are calm and the trade winds are pleasant and tropical. The occasional cumulus cloud appear cartoon-like. One small cloud in the distance is dumping rain on a few unfortunate people. I can just imagine what they're thinking.. "why me". The rain has a tendency of seeking us all out. Today over the Persistence, the sun is shining bright.

"We've gridded a 22 sq. mile area with bathymetry and will cover it again with this sonar system and magnetometer... Yes. We will find her if she's out there." -John Silvetti (1102 hrs, 22-Dec).

The search area we already covered by bathymetry and began surveying with side scan and magnetometer is the size of Manhattan.

"I believe she's been out here for over the last two years but we didn't have the resources and technology to find her until now. We're blessed to have these resources. Now, hopefully we'll have a wonderful Christmas present for Dave and Beth". - Tim Miller (1108 hrs, 22-Dec). 

[blah]

Going to give these decorations one last shot and call it a day.

Nite, all!

oh, this poor creature, why do you do this to him/her?
 

[Anna]

Blah,

She's been dressing herself for at least a year now!  Tying bows was the hardest part for her, however she has that down pretty well now.

[blah]

Blah,

She's been dressing herself for at least a year now!  Tying bows was the hardest part for her, however she has that down pretty well now.

you have been reported to PETA.  Good luck.















 

[Anna]

Well, PETA will have to get in line behind the FBI and Joe T and all those people to whom the crackpots at RU report me routinely.  I am sure they know how to deal with wackos as well.  Nice try, however.

[Anna]

Something else I stole copied from BFN if one likes misinformation.  This is the site that I believe John Pauley was at least in part responsible for creating.  I wonder why they took it down.  Anyway, worldjournier has it archived.

The Vanished  "Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force"

Hi All.... Utilizing the  "Wayback Machine"  internet website of archived websites, here is the link to the previous public spewings of Aruba's powers-that-temporarily-are Amerirubans+Dutch+Arubans anxiouslyly emplaced,  "Aruba Strategic Communications Task Force"  website a.k.a,  "Aruba 'Truth'".  That website was vanished in May 2006.

First go to this website....

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

....then, copy+paste, or, type in the following  ASCTF  Internet address....

http://www.arubatruth.com/

....in "The Wayback Machine" window.

Interesting to read what Arubans and Dutch in Aruba were spewing then, based on what has happened, since the  ASCTF  website was vanished.

Every one of the  ASCTF  musings is also documented in the timeline, http://members.aol.com/worldJOURNIER/NATALEE/NATALEEtimeline.html
 
Posted by World Journier




Now I really do have to get busy!  Looks as though I will get a dozen loads of dirty laundry for Chirstmas, lol, no surprise there, however.  Kids!  I think they actually think I enjoy doing it.    Maybe it's time to wash their underwear with the red scarf to turn it all pink or something so they won't ask again.

[Auntiem]

 This is probably a dumb question, par for the course for me, but does anyone know if the computer evidence and the wiretapping evidence was made available to John Q. Kelley? 

  There was a case in Fl. where a man shot himself and his wife on the beach..His wounds were not fatal, her's were.  They confiscated his computer and found searches re: how to shoot yourself, not fatally and a song that had lyrics that showed a sick mind.... talking about loving someone but having to kill her, anyway, if WE KNOW about PVS going on line, in the wee hours of the morning that Natalee went missing, searching for drug and alcohol affects,  those have got to be incriminating, and there has to be a substantial amount of info found......and Joran and his friends most likely discussing what happened but stopping and saying " can't discuss this on telephone", this also in the same time frame, and these are just the ones we know of....I'll bet their are a lot more... It seems to me there IS evidence to make a good case!!  IMO

[klaasend]

O/T

Anyone in the Houston area - please be on the lookout for this missing person:

MATTHEW WILSON - 20YR Rice University Student - missing since 12/14/07
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2471.0

He and his 2004 Dodge Neon are missing

[Tamikosmom]

If the Natalee Holloway case is officially closed and ... the family/FBI are given access to the case documents ... I believe that Eric Soemers' role in the investigation should be investigated.  It would appear that Dennis Jacobs may have been manipulating the declarations and ... then have Eric Soemers sign them off as a witness ... a witness who was never present during the interrogations.

Janet

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Dave Holloway
Corruption in Paradise

Page 183:  I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.

http://nataleesfreebirds.blogspot.com/2007/11/dennis-jacobs.html

Friday, November 9, 2007
Dennis Jacobs
Lead Investigator? Or Key Obstructionist?

What key elements could have been given by these various witnesses and suspects, that Dennis Jacobs may have tampered with?

Freddy Zedan
June 17, 2005 pages 6
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Freddy Zedan Arrambatzis
July 20, 2005 pages 4
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Freddy Alexander Arambatzis
February 10, 2006 17:15 pages 5
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: interrogation of a suspect

Jaime Alberto Carrasquilla
August 30, 2005 pages 5
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Stefany Mejia Cortes
August 23, 2005 pages 5 - attachments of photographs
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement/complaint

Stefany Mejia Cortes
August 24, 2005 pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement/complaint

Margaritha Dijkhoff - Van der Sloot maid - third statement
August 11, 2005 pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Judith Geerman
July 29, 2005 page 1
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Koen Gottenbos
August 30, 2005 18:30 pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Jose Anacleto Maduro
August 28, 2005 pages 5 - two photograph attachments
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement by a prison inmate

Wilfred Benito Maduro
February 14, 2006 16:00 pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

Milangelo Jairo Ferdinand Marcano
September 10, 2005 pages 3
writer: Dennis Jacobs/Eric Soemers
description: witness statement

[Hotshot]

OT  I havent posted in a while, I have been really sick.  Hoping those monkeys who were sick are getting better. 

Jug, GREAT interview with Dana the other night.  I like it when people are on the up and up with us about the case.

Kyle, keep up the great writing!  I read there every day to see what you guys have found.  I still feel you will find more then what you are going for.  Hang tight my friend.

Well off to ready the house for 17 people on Christmas.  All you Monkeys have a good day, and Great Holidays if I don't see you online!

Kath

[MumInOhio]

Hi Tamikosmom I have been looking to see who placed Jacobs into this investigation, as we were told that he was narcotics. He was on the case as early as 5/31 at 11.15. Do you recall hearing anything about this. TIA


Hi Hotshot! Happy Holidays to you too!

[Tylergal]

O/T

Anyone in the Houston area - please be on the lookout for this missing person:

MATTHEW WILSON - 20YR Rice University Student - missing since 12/14/07
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2471.0

He and his 2004 Dodge Neon are missing

Saw this on Greta last night.  Very small, only about 5-7, 135 pounds with a big brain.  Had a GPA in High School of 4.8.  Full academic scholarship.  Maybe there is a pattern here of 'disappearing' bright students, making a brain drain for us.

[Dana]

I think everyone here needs to take a deep breath. Some have made comments on the front page and Im told in the forum recently and in the past that call for violence againt those suspects or persons of interest in this case, and some cases even the death of those involved.
I know emotions are high but I have the folowing satement to make

I do not and will never support threats of violence or any criminal action agaisnt any of the persons of interest in this case.
Crappy justice system or not that is no way to solve this case. And those that post messages even if they are joking in that manner should be ashamed.