Natalee Case Discussion #707 12/22 - 12/28/2007

[San]

[JA]

Merry Christmas all!

It kills me that the J2K and company are almost already claiming that any evidence found will be fabricated.  Heck, why would the persistance go to all the expence and trouble if they were only going to fabricate the evidence anyway?  They could have found her already if that was the case.  I don't know if this case saddens or angers me more.

[Dayhiker]

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MERRY CHRISTMAS MONKEYS AND ALL THOSE ABOARD THE PERSISTENCE!

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[Dayhiker]

Merry Christmas all!

It kills me that the J2K and company are almost already claiming that any evidence found will be fabricated.  Heck, why would the persistance go to all the expence and trouble if they were only going to fabricate the evidence anyway?  They could have found her already if that was the case.  I don't know if this case saddens or angers me more.

JA, they're on the highway to hell. Let them go, they'll pay when they meet their maker. Mafia infested business owners and corrupt Dutch are running the shitbox. There will be no forgiveness until they tell the truth and that ain't going to happen. They'll burn.

[wreck]

I'm not gonna dwell on the island today. Today is for the thanking and rememberance of the crew of the Persistence away from their own famlies on Christmas day.
Merry Christmas to everyone here!!!!

[Jerry from Ohio]

  MERRY CHRISTMAS to all on the Ship ( Persistence) and to TES folks that do so very much with just a smidgen of thanks  we luv ya all <g>
,     Jerry from Ohio and his Lady Jessica

Merry Christmas all!

It kills me that the J2K and company are almost already claiming that any evidence found will be fabricated.  Heck, why would the persistence go to all the expense and trouble if they were only going to fabricate the evidence anyway?  They could have found her already if that was the case.  I don't know if this case saddens or angers me more.

JA, they're on the highway to hell. Let them go, they'll pay when they meet their maker. Mafia infested business owners and corrupt Dutch are running the shitbox. There will be no forgiveness until they tell the truth and that ain't going to happen. They'll burn.

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Merry Christmas everyone and also to the crew of the Persistence.

[Red]

Good morning ... Merry Christmas to ALL ...

Hey Monkeys ... MERRY CHRISTMAS

We would like to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas. Especially those that cannot be with their families during this special day. A special Merry Christmas goes to the brave men and women in our military who spend this day away from their families so that we may have Peace. God Bless you, everyone.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/25/merry-christmas-to-all-from-scared-monkeys-god-bless/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inhQTvEhsiU

[NYC_lover]

Good morning ... Merry Christmas to ALL ...

Hey Monkeys ... MERRY CHRISTMAS

We would like to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas. Especially those that cannot be with their families during this special day. A special Merry Christmas goes to the brave men and women in our military who spend this day away from their families so that we may have Peace. God Bless you, everyone.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2007/12/25/merry-christmas-to-all-from-scared-monkeys-god-bless/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inhQTvEhsiU

Good Morning MR. Red
Merry Christmas to u and your family. I hope u and your family enjoy your Christmas day.

[NYC_lover]

Can somebody tell me, or someone from the family Twittys or Holloway have the Dutch case files?

Mos informed that he let Beth Reynolds have access to the dossier, but explained that they only (Beth, Dave and lawyer Kelly) SAW the dossier, they could not read it because it was in Dutch and were not allowed to make copies.

Mos is now pending to see if Beth Reynolds will appeal the Prosecutor's Office decision to close the investigation. Personally he does not believe that anything will come out with an appeal.

"WE STUDIED THE CASE CAREFULLY AND WE CONCLUDED THAT WE COULD NOT COME WITH A SPECIFIC THEORY OF WHAT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT", said Mos.

[mrs. red]

Merry Christmas Monkeys....

[Tylergal]

To those aboard the Persistence and for all those who worked to make it possible, those who still work and those who cheer for success, you are all blessed to be part of something worthwhile.  The purpose-driven life is about reaching out to others, to give your lives a purpose, the purpose God would have us give our own lives and in doing so, to know the real meaning of Christ's message in our own lives.

[GabbyG]

Hi Monkeys, Merry Merry Christmas to all of you!!  Thank you for letting me be a part of this wonderful group!

To those who made the search possible, and the crew of the Persistence...I wish each of you a very Merry Christmas!! You truly represent all that is good in this world, and even though you cant be with your loved ones on this special day just know that God's Angels are riding with you and watching over you, and your sacrifices are worth it. 

If I could I would bring onboard a wonderful Christmas meal, and I would shake each hand and personally say Thank You for what you are doing. You aren't alone today, many people from all over the world are with you in spirit and are remembering all of you in prayer. God Bless each and every one of you.

Merry Christmas everyone!!
GabbyG

[Puzzler]

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL!!

[WhiskeyGirl]

Happy Holidays Monkeys!

I'm not done reading, but a few things come to mind.

How did this girl get in the wrong hotel room?  Do they leave the doors open?  Does one keycard open all the doors?  What does this say about hotel security?

Why would they parade the mother around and publish this?  Is that the thought they want to leave with tourist parents?  Well publish our law enforcement search efforts, and embarrass you back home.

What if the child missing was a four or five year old?

I wonder if this family will make the news in the US.  Maybe lecture on keeping your family safe while traveling?

[WhiskeyGirl]

Merry Christmas all!

It kills me that the J2K and company are almost already claiming that any evidence found will be fabricated.  Heck, why would the persistance go to all the expence and trouble if they were only going to fabricate the evidence anyway?  They could have found her already if that was the case.  I don't know if this case saddens or angers me more.

JA, they're on the highway to hell. Let them go, they'll pay when they meet their maker. Mafia infested business owners and corrupt Dutch are running the shitbox. There will be no forgiveness until they tell the truth and that ain't going to happen. They'll burn.

The origin of the mafia is an interesting story with many points of view.  One that I found interesting is the protections they provided for their 'people' from a variety of corrupt governments, for many hundreds of years.  Lots of documentaries.

Why would anyone turn against those that enable the money laundering and other business activities?

Why would anyone allow someone to kill off the tourists?  Who will gamble in the casinos?  Buy drugs from the petty dealers outside bars?

Alternatively, "We don't want to kill the young male and female tourists, we just want to borrow them for a short time, use them (assault, filiming, degredation, etc.), and return them with no memories of what has happened.  Honest, we don't really want them to die..."

What's the harm? They didn't run away?  They survived their "strong alcohol and possibly drugs" night on Aruba.

I think the "Safe Travels" group has their work cut out for them.

What exactly makes a place a 'family' tourist destination?

[WhiskeyGirl]

I feel very sorry for the family of Joyce.  What a horrible thing to wake up and find your daughter is missing.  I wonder if they have recovered from the shock?  Was this the vacation of a lifetime?  A Christmas present for the whole family to enjoy?

I wonder if someone will find pictures of Joyce on the bangbus?

[WhiskeyGirl]

I wonder how Joran would fare with a large monetary suit agains the OM?

Would they model the suit after the one by his father?

I wonder what evidence Aruba would use to defend themselves?

What little tidbits are in that file?

Would this other judicial path find in Joran's favor?  The Kalpoes?

[Nut44x4]

Translated by  Fierljepper@ BFN
http://www.dag.nl/Nieuws/Laatste-Digitale-Krant.htm pg.4
24-12-2007 | By: Zvezdana Vukojevic (note translator: this is the (co-)author of his book)

Exclusive: DAG talks to Joran van der Sloot. “I’d rather had a trial”

One week ago the Aruban OM decided to close the case of the missing American Natalee Holloway due to lack of evidence. Therefore there won’t be a court case against the Dutchman Joran van der Sloot and fellow suspects Deepak and Satish Kalpoe. “I’m considering a damage claim against the Aruban OM’, says Joran van der Sloot from Aruba.

New evidence

Van der Sloot is a free man since December 7th. Now for the first time he talks about the recent episode. End November he was arrested unexpectedly for the second time from his domicile Arnhem; there apparently was new evidence.  Since then he spent his time in the prison at Aruba.  “What the OM did to us, is unforgivable. There have been tremendous pressures on the OM from The Netherlands and the US to arrest me. The Aruban head prosecutor Hans Mos wanted to please the American media and the Holloway family.  He continues to accuse myself and the Kalpoe brothers and this has gone way too far now. Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t exist with the OM anymore. Taking legal action (against this) will cost a lot of time and energy.”

The Arnhem student has been a suspect in the disappearance of the American Natalee Holloway for the last two and a half year. The American student disappeared on May 30th 2005 after a night of going out with the three. They have been detained for three months in 2005, but were all released due to lack of evidence.

About his arrest on November 21st, Van der Sloot now says: “I had done some shopping during the day and was making plans to go out that evening.” At seven P.M. the bell rings in the Arnhem’s student home. A house mate opens the door. There are four uniformed officers and four dressed as civilians. They asked for Van der Sloot. “They didn’t tell me much. A female officer even asked me if I had expected this. Of course I told her I didn’t. I really thought that Justice would leave me alone after all this time. Apparently not. I was allowed to redress myself and to take some cloths. I was not allowed to make phone calls, since I was put under constraints immediately. I managed to hand my mobile phone to a house mate and asked him to call my lawyer.”

Outside, Van der Sloot is immediately cuffed and transferred to the Arnhem police station. “I couldn’t believe what was happening. I thought: not again, please!? But most of all it was highly frustrating. I remained calm. What else can you do? You’re powerless.” Two days later Van der Sloot is flown to Aruba.

Detained with constraints

After arrival at Aruba Van der Sloot is brought to the KIA (=Korrektie Instituut Aruba) in a blinded car. Van der Sloot sits in ‘contraints’. He is not entitled to any contact with the outside World and also can’t read newspapers or watch TV.  “I wasn’t allowed to carry anything with me, not even a pen or paper or something to read. I was entitled to ‘airing’ once per day. The first night was terrible. You know for yourself that you haven’t done anything and that you’ve been put there unrighteous and that did make me very angry.”
 
Van der Sloot is being interrogated for fifteen days and according to him “wasn’t in the mood for that at all”. “I told them at the beginning of the interrogation that I’d use my right to remain silent. That I didn’t want to answer any question, not even about how I was doing. I’ve lost all confidence in the Aruban legal system. I think they tried to break us.”
He is confronted with the new evidence: one of the three suspect apparently had reported in a chat message that Holloway was dead. There also was a new witness: a girlfriend of one of the three suspects. She declared that more than 5 hours after Natalee’s disappearance she was called by one of the suspects that ‘something bad’ had occurred and that he couldn’t explain over the phone. It didn’t concern Van der Sloot but it was about Satish and Deepak. Van der Sloot: ‘That wasn’t new evidence against me at all. It concerned a tapped conversation from Satish with his girlfriend in Surinam, in which he supposedly had told her that something bad had happened and that Deepak had said that the girl was dead. “

'They made up entire stories'

Van der Sloot noticed that the detectives, members of the Dutch KLPD, adopted a different approach during the interrogations: “They were asking the same questions as in 2005, but this time they explicitly stated that Natalee was dead and that Deepak, Satish and myself certainly knew what had happened. They made up entire stories to check how I would respond. I believe that this was their final attempt and they hoped that I or one of the Kalpoe brothers would say something bad. They weren’t searching for the truth. They just wanted to ‘screw’ someone.”

Even despite the case being closed, the OM does not commit itself to final closure. If new evidence would emerge, then they would proceed with the case. Anyway: for the time to come there will be a semblance of suspicion sticking to Van der Sloot. That’s why he now says he would have preferred a trial. “I’d really had liked to go to trail, so that everything would have been discussed in the open. I think that the Aruban police has made many mistakes. These people suffer from an enormous tunnel vision that is fed by the American media and the girls’ family.  They didn’t make any effort to explore other directions. I’m publicly declared guilty without any factual evidence and I now have to prove my innocence by myself.”

Van der Sloot once said in an earlier conversation:  “I’ve thought a million times about what could have happened to Natalee.” Does he still think about it? “No, I’m completely done with this. I really prefer not to hear anything about this case anymore, but I do hope that one day there will be clarity.”

He doesn’t want to answer the question about what could have happened to Natalee, since there are simply too many possibilities: “And I don’t want to speculate, since others have done that already for three years. I do hope that evidence will emerge that points into another direction. People continue to speak of murder, whilst the girl could also have run away with the help of others, far away from her mother.”

[Nut44x4]

Merry Christmas Monkeys....

Ditto from me 2