Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28 - 12/30/07

[Observer]

Bleached..not *******, but I bought that up last week and ******* said that he was really sure that it was not Freddy. I had seen Freddy Aaron Batzis on the Abram's Report transcript when he was arrested with the Kalpoes in August 2005

No,I said I wasnt sure because someone else was telling me his last name is boekhoudt and he was sure that was A.B.. The only connection I see at the moment is Freddy and that Abrahams Transcript.

http://www.zorpia.com/alvaro1

[MumInOhio]

Help me out here *******... that would mean Freddy was arrested 4 times! June, August and IIRC February and April. If indeed it was him with GVC.
All over making a movie!!!!

[MumInOhio]

******* Thanks...I misunderstood when we mentioned it last. Don't do well posting in the evening...morning person here.

Freddy was questioned 4 times between June 12th and 18th when Satish wasn't questioned once.

[Magnolia]

Freddy was arrested all of those times, but was he
ever prosecuted?

[Observer]

Help me out here *******... that would mean Freddy was arrested 4 times! June, August and IIRC February and April. If indeed it was him with GVC.
All over making a movie!!!!

I am only aware of his Aug 2005 arrest and now that article that said he was arrested in the beginning. But if he is A.B. also then you must be correct. Making Movies,Sex with Unconscious girls,Sex with Minors,Distributing Photo's of underage girls,witness to a murder and cover up. He obviously had something to do with the new info that led to the Kalpoes 2nd arrest. That is when they added Rape charges on there list of suspicions on what they did to Natalee.

I'M very puzzled about GVC because they had that shirt in the first week Natalee went missing but didnt arrest him for a year later. We have all seen the reports and taco telling us on National TV that the VCB shirt is his and it's linked to Natalee's dissapearance.

[Observer]

Freddy was arrested all of those times, but was he
ever prosecuted?

No,and I have not seen one person charged for any crime that we have talked about in this case. Having sex with unconscuious girls is a serious crime as we know Andrew Luster will serve the rest of his life in prison for doing that,but they chose not to  Prosecute Freddy or any of his Pimp friends. Remember GVC was also arrested on drug charges and he was never prosecuted for that either. Lorenzo was caught red handed with over 100 MJ plants and should have done 3 years in prison. But somehow his private mediation with a Dutch Judge gave him immunity.

[Magnolia]

Freddy was arrested all of those times, but was he
ever prosecuted?

No,and I have not seen one person charged for any crime that we have talked about in this case. Remember GVC was also arrested on drug charges and he was never prosecuted for anything either.

 Drugs are nothing there...only Lorenzo gets arrested for drugs.
 Freddy's charges were pretty significant anywhere but Aruba.

[MumInOhio]

Freddy was arrested all of those times, but was he
ever prosecuted?

Don't really know for sure. Did just read that he was released really quietly on September 2nd 2005.

*******..I think the one Jossy is talking about is June 2005. August with the Kalpoes and April with GVC. The Discovery Log has him being questioned in February 2006 and I thought he was detained then too. Will see what I can find in the morning.

I believe Anna is correct, ALE made them all suspects so their lies don't count. Don't understand the GVC one either.

[Anna]

Freddy was arrested all of those times, but was he
ever prosecuted?

No,and I have not seen one person charged for any crime that we have talked about in this case. Remember GVC was also arrested on drug charges and he was never prosecuted for anything either.

 Drugs are nothing there...only Lorenzo gets arrested for drugs.
 Freddy's charges were pretty significant anywhere but Aruba.

Right, Magnolia,

Prosecution and trial are considered last ditch efforts with any sort of fine, negotiation, restitution, community service, etc. being preferable to prosecution and conviction and having to house even more in their over-crowded jails.  Sort of like our own early release for good behavior, they don't have to actually go to trial if they will plead guilty and work out a deal with the judge or serve probation only, etc.

Their system does not see convictions as the ultimate in obtaining justice they way that ours does.

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[Observer]

Freddy was arrested all of those times, but was he
ever prosecuted?

Don't really know for sure. Did just read that he was released really quietly on September 2nd 2005.

*******..I think the one Jossy is talking about is June 2005. August with the Kalpoes and April with GVC. The Discovery Log has him being questioned in February 2006 and I thought he was detained then too. Will see what I can find in the morning.

I believe Anna is correct, ALE made them all suspects so their lies don't count. Don't understand the GVC one either.

I believe both Freddy and Lorenzo were detained for questioning around the June 9th arrest of JK2. Probably right after the failed attempt to frame the two security guards.The shirt with the reported dna on it,styraphone with teeth marks,sunglasses and "suspicious substance" in the lysol bottle were found on June 6th 2005. But GVC wasnt even questioned until April 2006?? Thats hard to believe! They never said those things found in the colony area were not related to Natalee's dissapearance. If anything they made everything found even more suspicious.

[Tamikosmom]

Bleached..not *******, but I bought that up last week and ******* said that he was really sure that it was not Freddy. I had seen Freddy Aaron Batzis on the Abram's Report transcript when he was arrested with the Kalpoes in August 2005

No,I said I wasnt sure because someone else was telling me his last name is boekhoudt and he was sure that was A.B.. The only connection I see at the moment is Freddy and that Abrahams Transcript.

http://www.zorpia.com/alvaro1

Was it not Freddy who Anita and Paulus summoned to their home and questioned in regards to what was said in his interrogation?

Jossy Mansur implies in the 'Scarborough Country' interview that Freddy was questioned in the initial stages of the investigation.

What are the basis of suspicion in regards to the A.B./Freddy connection?

Janet

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FREDDY - INITIAL INTERROGATION - JUNE 29, 2005

Karin Janssen
'The Abrams Report'
June 29, 2005

JANSSEN: ... And secondly, the father and the mother have asked a friend of Joran, the suspect, the minor suspect, to come to their home to tell them what he has explained to the police. That is, well, I can say, was an obstruction of the investigation.


FREDDY - DETAINED AUGUST, 2005

Jossy Mansur
'Scarborough Country'
August 26, 2005

MANSUR: Well, if there is a master plan, we will know about it soon enough.

What I do know is that Freddy was questioned at the beginning with relations to the Natalee Holloway case. He offered an alibi, I believe, to protect Joran. And then he was released. And now he‘s arrested as a suspect of selling photographs. Maybe they are aiming to get to him through this photo business back to the Holloway case.


A.B. - QUESTIONED APRIL, 2006

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193408,00.html
Aruba Prosecutor: Hundreds Questioned in Natalee Holloway Case
Thursday, April 27, 2006

Police have said nothing about their latest arrest, of a 20-year-old man, identified by prosecutors by the initials A.B. He was released after six hours of interrogation on Saturday.


NANCY GRACE
Suspect Released by Aruban Police
Aired April 24, 2006 - 20:00:00 ET

GRACE: Back to Jossy Mansur, the director and editor of "Diario Magazine." Jossy you`re there on the scene. What possible connection was there between A.B., the last catch and release and the investigation of Natalee Holloway?

MANSUR: You know, I can`t imagine what kind of connection it could have. I know that this person that they`ve arrested and questioned for six hours has a Web site in which he appears, in which you`ll find pictures of Joran and many other girls. Maybe there is some kind of a connection that the police want to know or the prosecution as to what degree does he know these people and what would he know about the Holloway case itself? …

GRACE: Dave, did you get your hopes up when you found out Von Cromvoirt had been taken into custody and then A.B. or E.B., they are changing the initials on us, over the weekend had been taken into custody, only to find out they had both been released?

HOLLOWAY: No. That question was asked and posed of me last week when he was first arrested. Someone asked me, are you getting your hopes up high and I said, no, I`ve seen this process occur a number of times before. Arrest someone, talk to them, and then release them. And it`s a pattern that, I`m hopeful that this is a stepping stone. Maybe he provided some good information, who knows.

[Tamikosmom]

Freddy was arrested all of those times, but was he
ever prosecuted?

I believe that Freddy was questioned and released in the initial stages of the Natalee Holloway investigation but ... his detainment in August ... at the same time as the Kalpoes rearresst ... was apparently unrelated to the Natalee Holloway case.

Janet

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Diana Emerencia - Freddy's Attorney
Decatur Daily News
August 31, 2005

Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis, a friend of van der Sloot and the Kalpoes, was arrested on suspicion of having unspecified "physical contact" with a female minor, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia.

Zedan-Arambatzis, 21, is also suspected of photographing the girl in "tempting poses" and showing the images to other people, Emerencia said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, she said.

[Magnolia]

Freddy was arrested all of those times, but was he
ever prosecuted?

No,and I have not seen one person charged for any crime that we have talked about in this case. Remember GVC was also arrested on drug charges and he was never prosecuted for anything either.

 Drugs are nothing there...only Lorenzo gets arrested for drugs.
 Freddy's charges were pretty significant anywhere but Aruba.

Right, Magnolia,

Prosecution and trial are considered last ditch efforts with any sort of fine, negotiation, restitution, community service, etc. being preferable to prosecution and conviction and having to house even more in their over-crowded jails.  Sort of like our own early release for good behavior, they don't have to actually go to trial if they will plead guilty and work out a deal with the judge or serve probation only, etc.

Their system does not see convictions as the ultimate in obtaining justice they way that ours does.

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The "deal with the judge" is the part that bothers me.  Buy out in my opinion.

[Anna]

Freddy was arrested all of those times, but was he
ever prosecuted?

No,and I have not seen one person charged for any crime that we have talked about in this case. Remember GVC was also arrested on drug charges and he was never prosecuted for anything either.

 Drugs are nothing there...only Lorenzo gets arrested for drugs.
 Freddy's charges were pretty significant anywhere but Aruba.

Right, Magnolia,

Prosecution and trial are considered last ditch efforts with any sort of fine, negotiation, restitution, community service, etc. being preferable to prosecution and conviction and having to house even more in their over-crowded jails.  Sort of like our own early release for good behavior, they don't have to actually go to trial if they will plead guilty and work out a deal with the judge or serve probation only, etc.

Their system does not see convictions as the ultimate in obtaining justice they way that ours does.

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The "deal with the judge" is the part that bothers me.  Buy out in my opinion.

We know the professional baseball player was allowed to pay a fine for beating up a judge instead of serving time in prison as prescribed by law. 

The prosecutor is only obligated to prosecute if he/she determines it to be in the best interest and service of the public at large.

The Prosecutor is an officer of the court who represents justice and is to be neutral, representing neither the victim nor the defendant/suspect.  Apparently the Prosecutor can also work out arrangements short of a trial and then if it comes to a trial, the judge can also negotiate some sort of settlement of the issue short of a conviction and jail sentence as was done with the baseball player who only paid a fine and was perhaps on probation for a bit.

I guess Aruba needs fines and money more than additional prisoners.  I have a problem with all this being worked out in secret.  How do we know who gets the  money--the governement or the judge in reality?



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[Tylergal]

WHERE IS SAN

[bleachedblack]

Isn't this one of the girl's Freddy is thought to have photographed? Her  she is dancing with joran and sanders?

[Anna]

I think that is Larissa.  Thought Freddie photographed one of the Karens but don't think we want to show her photo.

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[Anna]

WHERE IS SAN

Is this her second day to be missing?  I don't recall her saying anything about being sick so maybe she has holiday company?

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[Tamikosmom]

The Holiday Inn fabrication had been related to Freddy by Joran prior to Beth and Jug Twitty arriving on the Island.

Janet

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Freddy Arambatzis
Joran's Book
June 12, 2005

Monday afternoon on the 30th, Joran came to my house.

He told me that the previous day, Sunday, he had befriended a girl in the Holiday Inn casino and that she had invited him to come to Carlos and Charlies that evening. He went and they danced and drank together.

After that he, Deepak Satish and the girl drove off. Her friends saw that. The drove in the direction of the Lighthouse; a white car was behind them and most likely wanted to race Deepak. But that is something Deepak would never do. Joran told me that he fingered and had french kissed the girl while they were driving. He did not say that he had had sex with her.

They drove to the Lighthouse, she wanted to see sharks. But Deepak only drove up to the Lighthouse because his car is very low to the ground and cannot drive up to the North side of Aruba.

The girl had said to Joran that if Deepak and Satish would have lived in her town, they would be slaves.

After that they drove to the hotel. When the girl had pushed open the door of the car, she fell to the ground. Joran wanted to help her but she shoved him away.

The next day, Tuesday May 31st 2005 in the afternoon, I was with Joran at the raquetclub. Joran looked worried. He asked me if I could remember what he had said the previous day about the girl. I told him yes. The girl had gone missing. The FBI had been to his house during the night but he had not been home. His father had called him to find out where he was, Joran said that he was in the Raddison Casino. He told he that after that phone call he was called on the phone by Deepak and that Deepak picked him up a few minutes later. They drove to Joran's house. The FBI and the girls family were at his house. After that Joran told me that Deepak, Satish and himself did not drop off the girl at the Holiday Inn Hotel, but that the four of them drove to the beach at the north side of the Marriot Hotel. The girl had fallen several times on the way to the beach. Joran told me that at some point she "no longer came around/no longer regained consciousness" and that they had left her on the beach. He also told me that he had left his gym/sporting shoes on the beach. After Joran had told me this, I asked him why he had left her there. He answered me that at that moment he had not known what to do. Joran told me that after this he was dropped off at home by Deepak and Satish.

Translation Credit: Rammstein

[klaasend]

WHERE IS SAN

San went back to work.  Not sure where she is tonight, probably out partying, LOLOL